Frack Queen goes to Flint to do what?

[whatchamacallit]

Someone explain it to me.

[Punkingal]

1. Shamelessly politicize a tragic situation?

[Ferd Berfel]

7. Any other explaination is BS

and triangulated excuses


a cynical photo-op from the person that Championed Fracking and Keystone TPP (some of which she has triangulated out of for the time being)

Is this her attempt at redemption?

This is OK:



But this isn't 'eh?



Yeah, she's got my back.

[whatchamacallit]

10. If I was a Hillary supporter I wouldn't draw attention to this

Apparently no debased ploy is too low.

[m-lekktor]

11. She has no shame!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. Pander queen

[840high]

93. Amen

[CorporatistNation]

54. ABSOLUTELY... "Never Let A Tragedy Go To Waste... When i could Use It To My Political

ADVANTAGE..."

[MissDeeds]

61. Yep

And I can see the new ad coming: "Sec. Clinton was in Flint, addressing the horrific water situation and listening
to the needs of the people while Sen. Sanders was in New York, laughing it up on SNL". Just wait.

[NV Whino]

2. Exposure

Face in front of cameras. All that sort of stuff.

[DanTex]

3. To raise the profile and put pressure on state politicians to do something.

The mayor of Flint praised her for doing it. The people bothered by this are Bernie fans on the internet that don't live anywhere near Flint.

[whatchamacallit]

6. Lol

[Arazi]

13. Why isn't she exposing the plight of fracking victims with tainted water?

You know, you're another Hillary supporter whose studiously ignoring her vote to support cluster bombs.

This thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140849

[DanTex]

21. I fail to see what cluster bombs have to do with her visit to Flint.

And from what I understand, the Flint water crisis has to do with lead contamination from old pipes and pollution from the Flint river, and not fracking.

[Arazi]

24. She's hypocritical grandstanding in Flint yet unconcerned about cluster bombs

Im not surprised you don't see the connection.

If she were concerned about the plight of tainted water for people, then she'd also be standing up for those whose water is being contaminated by fracking.

Oh but she supports fracking...so inconvenient that. And she's a war hawk

She's only "concerned" when it's politically attractive. It's not heartfelt or she'd have a consistent message on everything.

[DanTex]

26. Aha. So I guess we should also conclude that Bernie doesn't care about the hunger

crisis in Chad. Why doesn't he talk about that? Does he not think hunger is a problem?

[Arazi]

28. She voted for cluster bombs

Has Bernie voted for starve children in Chad?

I'll wait

[DanTex]

29. That has nothing to do with the Flint thing.

It's just a random Hillary-bash.

[Arazi]

34. It's all of a piece. She "cares" so much for the people of Flint

she has to rush there (even though this has been going on since 2014 and the PEOPLE of Flint don't want her there)

Yet she supports fracking that's responsible for tainting the drinking water aquifers of several states! Because she's beholden to special interests that pay her big bucks. You don't see her rushing off to Oklahoma to help those folks

And fucking cluster bombs because she's a war monger be holding to the MIC that pays her big bucks.

Hillary supporters wonder why, why, why we don't trust her. Here's a classic example yet you refuse to even acknowledge it - it's "just Hillary bashing".

Sorry, it's not. It's deadly serious and we're pissed

[DanTex]

39. Evidently she disagrees with you on a few issues that have nothing to do with Flint.

Who cares? Nothing to do with the issue at hand.

[Arazi]

43. Still avoiding the issue that Hillary supports cluster bombs I see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140849

[DanTex]

44. I'm sticking to the topic of the OP. You're trying to change the subject.

[Arazi]

46. No, I see them as connected. I've already outlined why

[DanTex]

47. Well I don't see them as connect. Guess we disagree.

[Android3.14]

73. That had to hurt.

I almost felt sorry for you.

[thucythucy]

113. Then again, Bernie DID vote to fund the F-35 fighter.

Cluster bombs aren't delivered by mail you know, or shipped through Amazon. They're generally dropped from planes. The F-35 will most assuredly be a part of whatever air campaign drops those cluster bombs you so rightfully condemn, bombs that will no doubt kill some children. Maybe in Chad, maybe somewhere else.

So, when Bernie talks about peace, is he being a hypocrite?

BTW, I'm a Bernie supporter. His F-35 vote is one of his stands (along with his vote providing exceptional protection to the big gun companies--which got him praise from Wayne LaPierre) that make me cringe. But I'll vote for him anyway, because by and large I agree with him more than I do with Hillary.

But if I were to use your brand of litmus on him, I'd probably just give up and stay home. Then again, maybe that's the point of some of the folks here who are so vitriolic.

It's long past time for the most vituperative of the supporters on both sides to tone it down. All you're doing, at this point, is providing ammunition for the GOP to use in the general. Then again, it could be that's the whole point.

[kath]

48. "She's only "concerned" when it's politically attractive. It's not heartfelt or she'd have a

Consisten message on everything"

This describes her to a T.

[NowSam]

27. The nation's resources starved

To pay for endless wars. That is what they have to do with it.

[winterwar]

57. How many people from Flint do you know?

My best friend is from Flint, I grew up an hour from there. My Flint people are for Bernie Sanders. They don't like the Clintons. Flint was destroyed by Reagan, and the Clinton years was more of the same for Flint. You ever been there?

[DanTex]

58. I'm sure there are people in Flint of all ideological persuasions.

But the person they elected to represent them, the mayor, has praised Hillary for her efforts.

[winterwar]

62. So what?

I had Prick Snyder as my Governor in MI before I moved, that doesn't mean he represents me. WE didn't elect him, he doesn't represent me. Hell I worked on both campaigns against him. The mayor may represent those who elected her, and she may like the Clintons. I don't care about her opinion of Clinton, and none of my friends in Flint care for the Clintons. Flint is a city of auto workers. We know what was done during the Clinton years helped destroy the auto industry. If you say the word NAFTA around someone from Flint, be ready to hear some shit talking! People don't forget when their lucilius livelihood is ruined by terrible trade agreements. You had better believe my Flint people (especially the few who are lucky enough to have an autoworker job) care about TPP. Don't get me started on what the crack cocaine sentencing, welfare "reform", and mandatory minimums did to this city. But you didn't answer the question, do you know anybody in Flint?

[DanTex]

65. So the people you know there aren't representative. It's anecdotal.

Hillary's going there to help, and the mayor has praised her for it. Are there going to be some people upset? Of course. People get upset all the time.

[winterwar]

68. So you don't know anybody who lives in Flint.

Is it anecdotal to say that the only people who are bothered by Mrs. Clinton are Bernie fans who live nowhere near Flint? I told you that people in Flint, especially autoworkers, don't like the Clintons. This is from my people in Flint. But you, in Texas I assume, speak on the internet about it. I've been delivering water with the local UAW all week to Flint. 20 TONS of water, from my former local. But how about NAFTA? What do the people of Flint think about that?

[ybbor]

81. As a Flint native

I find your speaking for us disgusting. Although I don't live in the city anymore I have siblings, other family, and friends that do. They feel exactly as the OP describes. So take your bullshit elsewhere, for you don't know shit!

[DanTex]

82. I'm not speaking for you, I'm listening to your mayor. Your friends there have a chance to vote

her out if they are offended by this.

[ybbor]

94. No

You said the only people bothered by this "are people on DU who live no where near Flint". So you are wrong again, as I have noticed is pretty on par for you.

So have a nice day in spite of yourself.

[azurnoir]

86. The mayor of Flint wants Snyder to stay in office

Flint Mayor Karen Weaver says she will not call for Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder's resignation over the water crisis in her city.

Asked at the U.S. Conference of Mayors meeting in Washington, D.C., what repercussions Snyder should face, she said Snyder needs to remain in place to provide "the services and the money, the funds that we need to address the population."

Flint's water became contaminated with too much lead when its water source was switched in a cost-cutting measure in 2014. Protesters called for the governor's resignation as he delivered his State of the State speech Tuesday night.

Weaver refused to join those calls, saying she is staying focused on what she can get from the governor to resolve the crisis.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/38ec7c52c4a84fc7a5ac4c56fa8bb60f/latest-flint-mayor-wont-call-snyder-step-down

[DanTex]

88. Sounds like her first priority is fixing the water crisis. But you might as well throw

her under the bus with the rest of them.

[azurnoir]

90. yep and exactly what is Snyder doing for Flint? oh ya reduced water prices

that'll fix stuff alright

[DanTex]

91. Hopefully with exposure and added political pressure that Hillary brings, Flint will

be able to get more from the state. It's unfortunate that some people are trying to use this against Clinton and against the mayor of Flint for political reasons.

[azurnoir]

92. I would think Obama has it already :)

[Blue_Tires]

109. +1

[Duckhunter935]

4. exploit the little people

You know she will not spend any of her hundreds of millions in speaking fees.

[NorthCarolina]

5. Facetime.

eom

[Vinca]

8. To film a campaign commercial.

Hillary will be holding a glass of orange water high in the air, then it'll cut to Bernie on SNL. As Larry David might write - yada, yada, yada. Is anyone here a marine biologist?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. The anti-fracking people should run an ad

saying where you now Clinton?

[LonePirate]

9. Why is this sort of name calling against Democrats allowed here on DU?

I have no qualms if people don't like Hillary for whatever reason, but the name calling is beneath the dignity and purpose of this board.

[artislife]

15. She is for Fracking...I found it within the realm of okay. nt

[LonePirate]

19. So by your logic, Gun Nut King is an acceptable name for Bernie. How about using restraint on DU?

[artislife]

38. Just giving my opinion. nt

[Agschmid]

41. Because... Revolution.

Who knew a revolution could be so revolting.

[whatchamacallit]

63. Everyone knows

They are usually violent, bloody affairs, and often the only path to change.

[Agschmid]

64. Woohooo. Can't wait.

Love those usually violent and bloody affairs, they do great things to help win the White House.

Meanwhile both our candidates come out damaged and Kasich or Rubio waltz into the White House and we all get exactly what we didn't want.

[whatchamacallit]

66. The White House was won a while ago

by entities that have little to do with you or I.

[Agschmid]

67. Yah, sure.

[thucythucy]

80. Because hating Hillary is evidently more salient

than ANY attempt to bring attention to the horror that GOP politics have caused in Flint.

I'm getting really tired of having to say, "I support Bernie, but..." after another example of the maliciousness of some of his supporters on DU.

Okay, now come all the Bernie supporters to tell me how stupid, corrupt, phony, misguided I am. What a sad spectacle this place has become, and what lovely ammo it's going to provide the GOP, no matter which candidate wins.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Some call to calm it down here...

I wouldn't charge Hillary Clinton to be a frack queen. There are plenty of other people I'd give that title to.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. Someone should ask her about her love of fracking

[CoffeeCat]

18. Pose like a shameless poser for some photo ops!

Hillary is exploiting a tragedy, in hopes that she's gain a few points in the polls.

Her lows have no floor.

Gotta pose with some victims. Even hug a few.

Poisoned children make great props, in Hillary's world.

What she's doing is selfish and sick.

[kath]

49. reminds me a bit of the 30 Rock episode where the Congresswoman wanted to pose with poisoned orange

children.

[Skwmom]

20. You won't see Maddow visiting a town like this.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/06/fracking-in-pennsylvania-201006

Where's the outrage?

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. She's exploiting poisoned men, women and children for political purposes. SHAMEFUL exploitation!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[procon]

23. It would seem that one of the most obvious reasons would be to

target the Republicans who orchestrated the water crisis and have been criminally negligent in mitigating the damages or repairing the lives of their constituents. It also lets the residents see who actually comes to their town to listen to their problems... which is a good way to get voter attention.

If this is new to you, politicians have always taken advantage of their gravitas and powerful brand recognition to focus media attention on areas that highlight their concerns or policies that might be of particular interest to the community. Back in the day, we used to call it "consciousness raising", and anything that makes the GOP look bad and Democrats look good, is a handy tool to use.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. To look concerned at the photo op.

[still_one]

30. Are Sander's supporters really proud of OPs like this? Do they think this

kind of trash really helps their candidate?

and of course some of the comments that follow only amplify the OPs

Do you think Sander's is really proud of his supporters making posts like this?

Obviously there are some who believe they don't need Clinton supporters if Bernie wins the nomination

[MariaThinks]

31. Hillary will bring more attention to a tragic situation. I guess doing SNL is more humanitarian

again, the offensive things Bernie supporters say will cause me to turn off him as a candidate.

[still_one]

32. That they don't realize how this reflects on their candidate is astounding

[whatchamacallit]

35. So we'll make up your mind for you?

Not the issues or platforms or candidates themselves? Way to vote!

[MariaThinks]

105. keep it up. You realize we're both democrats?

or maybe you're not?

[whatchamacallit]

108. Vote how you wish

but own it. If you don't feel voting for Bernie is in your interest, great, vote for Hillary. But threatening internet forum posters you're going to withhold or change your vote because you don't like their tone, is absurd.

[MariaThinks]

115. i think i'm definitelly going way over your head. Good bye.

[Romulox]

33. Pander. Clintonian "Free Trade" is what devastated Flint in the first place. nt

[kath]

50. YES.

That should not be forgotten.

[Renew Deal]

36. The Mayor of Flint invited the person she thought could get something done.

[whatchamacallit]

40. The only thing Hillary will get done is some campaigning n/t

[Renew Deal]

42. And that alone was enough to finally bring attention to the issue

Hillary deserves a lot of credit for the attention Flint has been receiving the last two weeks.

[Arazi]

45. The people of Flint don't want her there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511156958

They obviously smell a blatant photo op like the rest of us

[kath]

51. Yep, just because people are poor, doesn't mean they are stupid.

I hope this backfires on her. it reinforces the idea that she is a huge phony.

[Arazi]

55. It reinforces that she's a phony to me, definitely

And obviously I'm not the only one who sees it that way

[sarge43]

78. Psst, she's a private citizen.

Unless she ponys up a couple of million she's made speechifying to banksters, what exactly can she get done?

[Avalux]

37. Exploit the people there to benefit herself politically.

She will do anything to win at this point. Going to Flint is intended to show everyone how much she cares, but it's transparent as hell and I hope it backfires.

[Odin2005]

52. To lie to people.

That is all she does, LIE.

[HassleCat]

53. She should go. So should Sanders.

For the benefit of the people who live there. It's important that Democrats show up in places where the government failed to safeguard the people, and talk about what happened and how to fix it. Our party stands for the idea that government can do things for people, so we need to back that up.

[AzDar]

56. Shameless Photo-Op

[CharlotteVale]

112. ^^This^^

[TBF]

60. She's worth M$32 - maybe she will bring them some water. nt

[silvershadow]

69. To show sympathy? Bernie shows empathy in everything about his entire life. nt

[PatrynXX]

70. probably to pull a Sean Penn and try to help nobody after Katrina

photo op gone south

[Dem2]

71. Threads like this

Make people not want to support Sanders.

Why? Are you secretly pro-Hillary?

I don't get it.

[Stand and Fight]

76. Bingo.

[amborin]

72. K&R Bernie had courage to demand Mich Gov resign, but Hillary chooses a photo op

[sarge43]

74. Use the people of Flint as wallpaper for a political spiel

Hell, her handlers have all but admitted she's doing it to make a warm and fuzzy for Democratic women in NH.

[Ed Suspicious]

75. Going to drink in her husband's NAFTA legacy?

[amborin]

77. photo op & she wants to cover up fact she STILL hasn't demanded the Mich gov resign:

Hillary Clinton is seizing the political moment on Flint ...




Hillary Clinton is seizing the political moment on Flint
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/18/hillary...

... Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders ... on Friday, two full days before the debate, it was Sanders who first publicly called for Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder …

[HassleCat]

79. Read the responses

The only people who really condemn this are those who believe Clinton is evil incarnate. The rest of us realize it's probably a good thing. I think both candidates should go. This is what Democrats do. We listen to people who are in trouble, and we try to figure out ways to help them. We are not Republicans.

[whatchamacallit]

83. I'm honestly not sure

what Hillary is. But that's me. If you think she's actually doing this out of a desire to help, that's fine.

[HassleCat]

87. We will know

By what her campaign does after she appears there.

[wilt the stilt]

84. I've been on DU for over 10 years

and there is a band of Bernie supporters who are just assholes.

[whatchamacallit]

85. The sleeper awakens!

Whatever you say, wilt.

[H2O Man]

97. Be that as it may,

those who advocate fracking are supporting a process that poisons very real human being's water supplies.

[ViseGrip]

89. Exactly, frack queen who endorses such polluting go to help and she hold no office to do so.

[senz]

95. To "appear concerned," of course.

Her aides thought it might work.

[passiveporcupine]

98. It's all theater!

[jhart3333]

99. I can't explain it but here's a kick and a recc for you

[Spitfire of ATJ]

100. You will know when she claims Bernie doesn't care enough to go.

[whatchamacallit]

101. Her surrogates on DU have been working that angle all day

But yeah, I'm sure it'll get worked into the campaign's rhetoric somehow.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

102. This is 2008 all over again.

[TeddyR]

103. When did it become ok

On a website supporting the Democratic party to refer to a Democratic candidate for president as the "Frack Queen"? Any person that would use such slurs isn't a true Democrat and can take their slurs and their bullshit to the Tea Party.

[cherokeeprogressive]

107. You're not going to have much success telling longtime DUers who and who isn't a "true" Democrat.

[guillaumeb]

104. Putting a spotlight on Flint:

Clinton hopes the trip with shine a spotlight on the tainted water crisis plaguing the city, where officials did not properly treat water being pumped into homes, leaving people exposed to lead and other contaminants.

Clinton, according to aides, "intends to use her trip to Flint to urge the Republican-controlled Senate to approve the Senate Democrats' $600 million amendment to help Flint." The announcement comes on the same day that Senate Democrats blocked an energy bill over funding for Flint..........

Clinton has made Flint a focus of her campaign since the contaminated water issue was discovered, arguing that if the crisis had happened in a rich Detroit suburb, the response would have been faster and more effective.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-flint-michigan-water-crisis/

Exposing the racism in this situation is a good thing.

[Motown_Johnny]

106. Praise Flint as an example of NAFTA's success.

[Live and Learn]

110. To tell the water to "Cut it out."

[bigwillq]

111. Frack Queen

[Bernblu]

114. NAFTA and other neoliberal economic policies supported by her and her husband

are partly responsible for what happened to Flint. If she does not denounce NAFTA and the other policies her trip to Flint is a meaningless photo-op meant to win her votes.