Misogyny is finally in the open

[question everything]

Woodward complains that Clinton was "shouting." What do they think of Sanders?

In 2008, his partner, Bernstein, "observed" that she had "thick ankles."

Many here openly say they will not vote for the Democratic candidate if it is not Sanders, and their comments remain intact, recommended even. But when a similar post is about Sanders, this post is being hidden by the jury of Sanders' peers.

Many here bought Sanders comment about gun control, that this is what his constituents want. But when McCaskill says that her constituents will not vote for a socialist she is a "goon."

In 2008 a DUer was brave enough to say that Clinton reminds him of his mother. Have we seen similar posts this time around, yet?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. I like Hillary, a lot..

Depending on the context this sentiment is not inherently bad:

In 2008 a DUer was brave enough to say that Clinton reminds him of his mother. Have we seen similar posts this time around, yet?

But, yeah , we need to be vigilant when it comes to any form of bigotry.

[Metric System]

3. As I saw someone tweet... The Revolution has mommy issues.

[workinclasszero]

4. The Revolution has mommy issues.

+100

[demmiblue]

9. Gee, that isn't sexist.

[Metric System]

14. No, it isn't.

[stonecutter357]

22. +1

[Dawson Leery]

23. +1,000,000

[ElliotCarver]

29. -1,000,001

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Actually, misogyny has always

been in the open.

It has not always been so open among Democrats or those who style themselves as such.

[NurseJackie]

8. Nicely worded.

(And the animated gif is perfect.)

[BlueMTexpat]

11. Thanks, Nurse Jackie!

[demmiblue]

6. If you think that misogyny is finally in the open...

then you just may be a part of the problem.



As a woman, I find that your use of partisan politics to divide us in this manner is a slap in the face to all women.

[Empowerer]

12. It's out in the open - but very few people will acknowledge or own it . . .

[question everything]

15. Not Partisan. Should have added that someone on the media commented that Fiorian should smile

more often..

And pointing these observation I would hope that these comments would disappear and we should concentrate on the issues.

[ejbr]

7. You know what's ironic

at least as far as I am concerned? I support Bernie, but actually LIKE Hillary when she raises her voice. Seeing a woman's strength gives me goosebumps.

[cali]

10. No, not many. There have been numerous polls and

the vast majority of Bernie's supporters here say they will vote for her.

McCaskill is sleazy. Her husband's businesses have profited hugely from federal $$$ since she's been in office, she's been caught not paying taxes and she had to reimburse taxpayers for dozens of flights to political events.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccaskill-billed-reimbursed-taxpayers-for-flight-to-political-event/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/claire-mccaskill-husband_n_1951984.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/claire-mccaskill-admits-to-287000-in-unpaid-taxes-on-private-plane/2011/03/15/AB5fv77_blog.html

And Claire has done way more than say voters in her state won't vote for a socialist. She's red baited in classic style.

As for the shouting crap, Bernie certainly has been criticized for that- repeatedly.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/25/hillary-clinton-takes-jab-at-bernie-sanderss-shouting-remark/

And Clinton and surrogates have repeatedly tried to frame Bernie as a sexist.

[avaistheone1]

13. Hillary is the biggest misogynist

Her Wall Street positions as well as her positions on Social Security are distinctly anti-women.

[question everything]

18. You don't think that women invest in the stock market?

That women are not worried about their and their spouses' retirement accounts - if they have one?

It has been mentioned that the majority of Sanders supporters are young people. Obviously the ones who at this point are not worried about retirement. I did not, at their age.

A recent story stated the obvious - I thought - that when the stock market tanks, it affects the economy. People feel less confident and will spend less money.

With our economy three quarter service based - a different topic - and with so many women in service jobs, they are the first to feel it.

[liberal_at_heart]

21. because our economy and government prop up the 1% and drop the 99%

the average 401(k) is less than $100,000. Hardly enough to retire on. I am 39 and know my husband and I do not have enough to retire on and no I do not trust Hillary to help my husband and I retire.

[avaistheone1]

27. No. I am well versed that women are invested in the stock market.

However, Hillary's laissez faire position towards Wall Street does the most damage to women who are the most economically vulnerable.

Wall Street is run like a casino and we paid the price for in 2007-2008. That certainly did not do the economy any good. Many people lost their retirements and/or good portions of their nest eggs. Women are hit hardest by this kind of economic event.

Hillary's wooing Wall Street is of great concern. Wall Street deserves no pass and they haven't been reformed.

[sadoldgirl]

16. Is it really so very effective to paint

HRC all the time as a victim?

She is more than strong enough to carry on
without that nonsense.

[question everything]

19. Hardly the victim. Just the double standards in the media and on these pages (nt)

[liberal_at_heart]

17. Her education position would make it harder for my daughter to go to college.

She also does not support SS the way Bernie does. My son and husband are on SSDI. Who will protect my family better Hillary or Bernie? Hmmm. That's a hard question. Bernie! Bernie is for single payer health care. Hillary wants me to continue to pay thousands in premiums and copays. You can make misogyny claims all you want. I know when it comes to supporting women and their families Bernie is better.

[question everything]

24. Pragmatism. With a heavy heart I will concede that the next cogress will still be a Republican one

at least the house. I'd hope that we catch some senate seats.

I know that many Sanders supporters want a revolution, to tear everything down and rebuild it.

Revolutions are bloody and bring more suffering than a slow orderly transition and compromise.

We all want a single payer - this is what Hillary suggested back in 1993. But the way we get there is by paying taxes. SS payments will have to be supported by more taxes. Who do you think has a better chance of getting Congress to compromise a bit?

Yes, the brain and the heart. At this point, I will go with the brain. And I think that in November, independent voters will do the same. Obviously depends on who the Republican candidate is. If it is Trump, I am afraid that the anger that Sanders' supporters feel now will send them to Trump.

After all, he has mentioned a health care system "like Canada" except that, of course, like all his ideas they are just blowing in the wind with no idea how to implement them.

[liberal_at_heart]

28. sorry, pragmatism and incrementalism have had their chance the last 30 years and have failed.

And Hillary just said that single payer will never pass. Well sorry but I don't remember the Labor Movement, the Women's movement, or Civil Rights Movement ever saying that it would never happen. The Revolution has already started. We will take on the 1% whether the Democrats are willing to or not, and we will win. It may take time and effort, but it is worth it.

[Old Codger]

20. Gee

Love the categorizing, anyone who doesn't like her as much as you do is a Misogynist... I don't like her at all, I think she is a power hungry corporatist and does not give a shallow shit about anyone that cannot assist her in her goals... Doesn't mean I hate women in general nor many others,then again I do not like bachman does that make me one? Don't like fiorna either.. gee maybe I am,that's three females I don't like, damn me to hell...

[question everything]

25. Sad that you read what you want to

Comments like "she is shouting," "she has thick ankles" (and in 2008 also her hair, makeup, pantsuits) "she reminds me of my mother" - are misogynistic. They do not talk about her ideas and policy but about her... well, female attributes.

Same as the ones complaining that Fiorian does not smile..

[Old Codger]

31. Not my point at all

I was not talking about the facts that point to your claim that it is there, I am referencing what appears to me as a blanket statement that anyone who is not all in for her is a Misogynist and that is not true at all. You make no reference at all to any of the comments about Bernie being a "geezer" or a ranting maniac... or any of a number of derogatory remarks about him.... In the end both sides are wrong in making these statements, I do no condone them but I am also aware that it is happening on both sides, actually on all sides if we include the other side (republicans) name calling and attempts to label do no good whatsoever and only add to the animosity already overly apparent

[HassleCat]

26. Sanders is more like my mom.

[jillan]

30. Ageism is finally in the open. Here there and everywhere.

Words I've read & heard to describe Bernie -

Geezer, old geezer, too old, senile.

As someone who is also "old" it really bothers me because once you hit 55, age is irrelevant.
Your health, agility and mental clarity matter much more than age. I know 60 y/o that are older than 74 y/o Bernie.

That said, one thing that does not bother me is when people call Bernie "grandpa".
There is actually comfort in having your progressive, hip grandpa looking out for you.

[Vote2016]

32. Agreed, but how is anything "finally in the open" shown by referring back to examples from 2008?

[last1standing]

33. I find this thread anti-Semitic as it criticizes Bernie - a Jewish candidate.

Since you're calling every criticism of Hillary misogynistic, every criticism of Bernie MUST be anti-Semitic.

Why are you posting, by your own definition, anti-Semitic threads?

[question everything]

34. Can you point me to a single comment, in the media or on DU

that refers to Sanders as a Jew?

Or is it just a convenient comment to float? I gave specific ones. Can you? No, of course not.

[last1standing]

35. That took all of three seconds.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/bernie-sanders-jewish-new-hampshire-primary/index.html

Now why are you posting anti-Semitic threads based on your own criteria?

[BainsBane]

36. God, the stuff we've seen

The comments about mother and shouting are nothing compared to what I see all the time.

[MrMickeysMom]

37. You know what? You're right QE...

This is an excellent time to stick to the issues.

I don't care about the package. I care about what inside the brain of the package.

Soon enough, all all TOO soon, we die and leave our package behind, skinny buts, thick middles, and all...

What matters is what we DID, so if the criticisms are about that, it's fair game, but we should not make this personal.