It's fucking depraved to compare the nurse's union to Haim Saban and

[cali]

Citibank. It's fucking cynical bullshit to try and mitigate Clinton's history with big murky fucking money with the nurse's union. It's ridiculous to try and conflate Bernie's fundraising with Hillary's.

It's contemptible and dishonest and those doing it, whether it's the NYT or some blogger know it's about as dishonest and dishonorable as is possible.


Yes, I said Depraved:

de·praved
dəˈprāvd/
adjective
morally corrupt; wicked.
"a depraved indifference to human life"

synonyms: corrupt, perverted, deviant, degenerate, debased, immoral, unprincipled; More

[Cali_Democrat]

1. You seem angry.

Perhaps you should take a step back from your keyboard and go for a nice walk outside.

Here's a kiss to help you feel better.

[cali]

3. Yes, depravity pisses me off. Here's a kiss right back

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Instead of pounding away on your keyboard.....

....go for a nice walk outside.

I think that would be more effective than screaming at random people over the interwebz.

[cali]

16. That would be great if I could

Used to be an avid skier, both downhill and x-country. Now I'm disabled due in to an accident 4 years ago. I use a cane. I'm in pain all day and most of the night. And it ain't minor discomfort. Not only do I have post-traumatic arthritis, I have CRPS type II. And yes, it makes me crabby, particularly after my doctor's appt. last Monday.

Complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) formerly reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), "causalgia", or reflex neurovascular dystrophy (RND) is an amplified musculoskeletal pain syndrome (AMPS). It is a chronic systemic disease characterized by severe pain, swelling, and changes in the skin. CRPS often worsens over time


<snip>

Type II, formerly known as causalgia, has evidence of obvious nerve damage. Type II CRPS tends to feature the more painful and difficult-to-control symptomes of CRPS; The Type II disease scores 47 out of 50 on the McGill pain scale[6] (however there are seemingly little or no data pertaining to Type I specifically here). In Type II the "cause" of the syndrome is a known or obvious nerve injury, although the cause of the mechanisms of CRPS Type II are as unknown as the mechanisms of Type I.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_regional_pain_syndrome

[one_voice]

60. I'm diagnosed with the same thing..

23 years for me. Along with a few other things. I hate the name change too.

They've made greater strides with treatment in Europe than here. They key to this disease is catching early. The problem was not many doctors recognize(d) it.

After I f'd around with dumb ass neurologists for too long, it was my family doctor that dx'd me. Sent me to one of the best doc's in Philly. Too bad it wasn't soon enough.

I feel your pain, literally. Hope you're feeling as better as one can feel with this.

[cali]

67. I'm so sorry.

Honestly, I can't imagine 23 years of this.

They didn't catch mine early either. But in my case that was understandable. My leg was so badly smashed, I had to learn to walk again. I was on crutches for over a year.

You probably know all the treatments I've been through. Nerve blocks suck.

[Karma13612]

70. gosh, this is frustrating.

by the way, if it is caught early, what are some of the things that can be done? Are there nerve treatments or what exactly?

I would like to know since it is so sad to hear of people in pain when it could be avoided.

and also, what are they doing in Europe for treatment/relief?

again, I am curious because we need to find solutions to pain.

When I am in pain, for whatever reason, I just want the pain to stop. And until it does, my mood and concentration take a nosedive. Productivity comes to a grinding halt.

I feel your pain in many senses of the word.

[panader0]

61. Damn cali- I'm sorry for your pain.....

[cali]

73. Thank you.

[Cary]

95. Sorry to hear this

I'll try to be a little nicer to you.

[cali]

98. Lol. Nah, you're fine.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Hopefully, the irony of this suggestion was planned. nt

[polly7]

27. You seem angry that she's bringing up an important issue.

Maybe you need to go for a walk and consider that posting on a message board isn't screaming any more than you are, trying so hard to insult her for it.

Why do you want this stuff kept quiet so badly?

[Matariki]

94. +1

[AlbertCat]

32. ....go for a nice walk outside.

No need to go outside to see the contempt and holier-than-thou attitude of Hillary supporters.

Perhaps you should get off your high horse before you fall off it....and go outside for a nice walk.

[cali]

37. What, no snide retort?

[Cali_Democrat]

56. My apologies for not replying in a timely fashion. I was online shopping at Amazon

If you can't walk, try reading a book.

[Ned_Devine]

59. Or, just an idea here, but maybe you could stop making recommendations

and keep your condescending comments to yourself. Again, just an idea.

[mythology]

76. Because God knows cali is never snide and condescending

Not to mention way too hyperbolic. It is not even remotely depraved to state that people who donate to a campaign would prefer that person's policies.

The fact that cali has nothing but invective isn't surprising. It's her go to response when she doesn't have a valid argument.

[Ned_Devine]

80. The depravity is the comparison of the Nurse's Union to a super pac financed by the biggest banks

There is a major difference, so to lump them into the same category is akin to comparing Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump.

[cali]

72. I read extensively, always have.

At the moment I'm reading a not bad mystery, an obscure Maughm novel, The Magician, and a compendium of Greek historians.

Just because you're so deeply concerned, I also cook. I made a delicious pate de campagne with pistachios and prunes for my little superbowl party tomorrow. I'm also making cioppino and an apple tart.

And I took a satisfying shit this morning.

I do so appreciate your kind thoughts, dear.

[pangaia]

83. Not even an apology or sorry for your pain from 'you know who.'

Well I AM SORRY for your pain.

And, my gosh can you cook !!!

[cali]

87. I love to cook.

And thanks again.

[bvar22]

99. Hi, Cali.

Always good to read your posts.
I'm surprised that after all the years I have known you, I had no idea that you were suffering from this condition.
We haven't always seen eye to eye, but I have always respected you.


My wife, Starkraven, has Chicken and Sausage Gumbo in the slow cooker for the game tonight,
which we will wash down with a bottle of some very good Pinot Noir.
Maybe someday, we will share a meal.
I would like that.

DURec.

[cali]

100. Thank you, bvar

I love my slow cooker. It has so many uses. I make apple butter in it and stock, as well as meals. It would be cool to break bread together some day.

About my CRPS, I only ended up with it after my accident four years ago- and what a stupid, embarrassing accident it was. I was running down wooden stairs in my socks and slipped about half way down. Trying to keep my balance, I landed, with my leg twisted, on my left leg on the slate floor and suffered a compound spiral fracture. I actually had multiple fractures of the tibia and fibula. The worst part was I couldn't get to the phone. I had to crawl on my belly, up the driveway and then up the dirt road to get help. Ugh. In any case, it took 3 surgeries and a lot of hardware to put it together. Eventually, I had to learn to walk again, starting in a pool. My CRPS didn't get diagnosed for almost a year.


So that's my embarrassing tale. Thanks for your kind words, and please know the respect goes both ways.

[PonyUp]

88. Karma tends to bite these types in the ass soon enough. n/t

[stonecutter357]

36. +1

[cali]

47. ....

That would be great if I could
Used to be an avid skier, both downhill and x-country. Now I'm disabled due in to an accident 4 years ago. I use a cane. I'm in pain all day and most of the night. And it ain't minor discomfort. Not only do I have post-traumatic arthritis, I have CRPS type II. And yes, it makes me crabby, particularly after my doctor's appt. last Monday.

Complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) formerly reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), "causalgia", or reflex neurovascular dystrophy (RND) is an amplified musculoskeletal pain syndrome (AMPS). It is a chronic systemic disease characterized by severe pain, swelling, and changes in the skin. CRPS often worsens over time


<snip>

Type II, formerly known as causalgia, has evidence of obvious nerve damage. Type II CRPS tends to feature the more painful and difficult-to-control symptomes of CRPS; The Type II disease scores 47 out of 50 on the McGill pain scale (however there are seemingly little or no data pertaining to Type I specifically here). In Type II the "cause" of the syndrome is a known or obvious nerve injury, although the cause of the mechanisms of CRPS Type II are as unknown as the mechanisms of Type I.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_regional_pain_syndrome

[Ned_Devine]

57. They don't get it.

I'm sure you understand, most of them are assholes. You know, the types that would post a giant campaign button picture in their response in telling you to go for a walk even though you said you are disabled.

[RoccoR5955]

77. We are already in an oligarchy

and you want to maintain it?
Interesting.
Good luck when your 401k crashes and you have no money for retirement.
Good luck when your insurance premiums and co-pays go up because we are "extending" the ACA.
Good luck in general to all of us if Clinton gets in, because we are going to need a heap of it!

[stonecutter357]

79. I am retired and doing OK thanks.

I live in Alabama so don't talk oligarchy to me thanks.

[RoccoR5955]

82. Okay, so your are retired

and do not care about the future for your kids and grandkids. Now I understand.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. I find is so very sad when confronted with people that do not understand that we live...

at a time when we are literally on the brink.

This is not the time to be timid and move step by step closer to the edge.

Fundamental change and political revolution must come soon or ...

[elias49]

96. I think you're right.

I'd like to see a redirection in this country before I die.
Of course it isn't just this country...the world's actors have to 'evolve', the world's people.
Just 10 or 15 degrees off the straight line we've been on since the 80s.
They would make a world of difference. Not a 180. Not even a 90 degree alteration. Just 10% correction.
(And this is what I'm hoping will happen with the collation of many people from many wals of life, WILLING a change in how we understand ourselves and, well, the human race.
End rant.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

97. A great country works for:

A great country works for:

Clean air and a healthy atmosphere
Clean water and healthy lakes, rivers, streams and oceans
Sustainable, humane, healthy food production
Sustainable, humane, healthy housing
Sensible healthcare
Quality education
Clean energy and technology
Sensible transportation
Quality entertainment
Healthy relationships - with self, others, and between all entities

A country who gets these things correct and can export these ideas will win the hearts and minds.

[Motown_Johnny]

78. The problem here is that you aren't.

That seriously isn't an issue for you?

[Ferd Berfel]

2. That's the way She rolls

This is a fight between the 1% and the rest of us. I believe that Bernie is on my side.
I do not get that from Hillary.

[ybbor]

40. OMFG!

Your sig line just made me crack up. I'm at my daughter's skating lesson and the other parents gave me a look. Effing hilarious! Still laughing. Can't wait to show someone.

Can't even remember what this thread is about.

Thanks!

[Ferd Berfel]

54. ...and there are Union (officers and board members only) that support her?

Holy crap!

[ybbor]

64. I know, it makes no sense

She spent years opposing unions when on the board of that company that is destroying small and large towns alike.

[Ferd Berfel]

65. but, but, she has evolved now....so everything is ok

[Kip Humphrey]

55. alternate: BLUE DOGS, the Republicons that Republicons don't want.

[notadmblnd]

63. She thinks she's one of them or has a chance of becomming one of them, but it's just the opposite.

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[rynestonecowboy]

81. Thanks for that.

That bit never gets old or any less true. I wish Carlin was still around because you know he would be a vehement Bernie supporter because he understood how the system has been rigged for so long that most people underestimate how bad it is and continue to elect these establishment candidates who make several hundred thousand dollars for a short speech and claim that it's a smear to ask if those payoffs might skew ones point of view. SMH.

[MgtPA]

4. It also makes purveyors of such nonsense look REALLY stupid.

[DanTex]

5. Bernie should make clear that some SuperPACs are better than others.

Is that too much to ask?

Also, has Citibank actually contributed corporate money to a Hillary SuperPAC? I hadn't heard about that. Are you sure it's not a Citibank employee?

[cali]

7. He doesn't need to. Any 10 year old can see the difference.

[DanTex]

10. It would be the minimum for basic honesty. If you rail against SuperPACs and boast about not

having one, while at the same time being there leading beneficiary in the primary campaign, obviously some explanation is due.

If it's true that any 10-year-old would see it his way, all the better, it will be an easier argument for him to make.

[virtualobserver]

14. team H is the only group pushing this nonsense

it would be easier for you to make your argument if it wasn't deliberately dishonest. What time does the daily email from David Brock arrive?

[DanTex]

19. On DU maybe, but the NYT has also taken notice. Seems to me that team B is the only

group trying to deny it.

[virtualobserver]

20. any rational person can see that it is nonsense

[DanTex]

30. I'm sure that NYT reporter is concerned about your take on his/her rationality.

[AlbertCat]

34. I'm sure that NYT reporter is concerned about your take on his/her rationality.

he should be.... if he wants to taken as a serious reporter.

[DanTex]

35. As we all know, Bernie supporters on DU are the ultimate arbiters of serious reporting.

During his next performance review, no doubt his/her boss will bring up the fact that some DUers didn't like that article.

[AlbertCat]

42. As we all know,

you are trying to change the subject.

because you haven't a real rebuttal. And because this slur against Sanders is manufactured BS (and even you know it).

[DanTex]

44. Rebuttal to what? I simply stated facts, as reported by the NYT. Bernie has gotten more

SuperPAC support than Clinton during the primary.

[Kensan]

91. There's facts...

and then there's "facts". I seem to recall a lot of interesting tidbits of information in the NYT reported by Judith Miller. Or was it Jayson Blair? Who can keep up with all the facts in such a complex world? Good thing the NYT is there to assist all of us, and show us the proper way to discern all those facts.

Is it really that difficult of a concept to see there may be a wee bit of difference between support from a union vs. a superPAC funded by one or a handful of the largest companies in the entire world? Who's interests are being represented, and what are the endgame goals they are fighting for? Better wages/retirement & health benefits or repeal/loosening of regulations designed to curtail transactions that compromise the security of the entire financial system?

I get that you are an enthusiastic and motivated supporter for your candidate. But I think there's quite a bit of feigned outrage or ignorance from folks in both camps. It seems few can acknowledge any weaknesses in the candidate of their choice, and do nothing but try tear at the actual strengths of the opposing candidate. It's silly season, alright!!

[DanTex]

93. Yeah, Jayson Blair and Judith Miller were not good reporters.

But, by and large, the NYT is a solid newspaper, and this story has nothing to do with them. More importantly, the facts in the story can be verified independently.

You also make a very common error when you talk of "a SuperPAC funded by one or a handful of the largest companies in the world." Clinton's SuperPACs are mainly funded by wealthy liberals, not corporations. Yes, there are wealthy liberals in the world.

But regardless, if Bernie is going to be railing at SuperPACs, he needs to take a look in the mirror first. And if he really wants to make the argument that his SuperPAC support is OK, but Hillary's isn't, because some SuperPACs don't really count, good luck with that.

[virtualobserver]

51. the cynical twisting of reality by a NYT reporter is of no concern to me either- so we are even

[Dragonfli]

18. Nurses support people that will help their patients, oligarchs support ppl that support oligarchy

Union support (especialy caregivers) is quite different than this sort of support from mega thieves apparently immune from the law:

[DanTex]

21. Well, then let's hear Bernie say that. Have him argue that SuperPAC support isn't necessarily

a bad thing, it just depends on which SuperPAC.

[Dragonfli]

24. Common sense is common sense, it need not be argued and is usually axiomatic

If I honestly thought that you believed there was no difference between support from a union of nurses and an entire and lengthy cabal of shadowy banking criminals, I would think you lack common sense.

Because I do contrarily believe that the obvious is obvious even to you, my assessment of your motives are too harsh and ungracious to post here.

Suffice it to say, I do not believe your misrepresentations are done for honorable reasons.

[DanTex]

25. A little odd, then, that Bernie wouldn't just come out and say what he believes. If it's so obvious.

Why say "SuperPACs are bad and I don't have one" when the reality is that only some SuperPACs are apparently bad (coincidentally the ones supporting his opponent), and that he has received more SuperPAC support than her thus far in the primary.

By the way, do you have evidence that any of the contributors to Clinton's SuperPAC have committed any crimes? If not, why call them criminals?

[Dragonfli]

26. My turn

[DanTex]

11. Also, about that Citibank question, I'm genuinely curious. Has Citibank written a corporate

check to a Hillary SuperPAC? I would find this surprising, but I don't know one way or another.

[Lucky Luciano]

43. Who knows. They don't have to disclose whether they wrote such a check.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[DanTex]

48. I don't know, I think some kinds of SuperPACs have to disclose their donors and some

do not. I don't know the details. A lot of the donations have been disclosed, and they have come from individuals. I haven't seen anything about a Citibank contribution, which is why I'm wondering why Citibank was mentioned in the OP.

If it's just speculation of the form "anything could have happened" I don't find it persuasive.

[Armstead]

33. Short answer

Some superpacs and campaign backers are better than others. A nurses union devoted to patient care and universal coverage is using their political arm to work for Bernie.

On the other hand.......


https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillarys-financial-armada-233033648.html

[DanTex]

50. That's a fair answer. Hillary's SuperPACs are funded primarily by wealthy liberals, people

like George Soros and Tom Steyer, and even though I think that the SuperPAC system is a bad one, I'm glad that wealthy liberals are willing to step up because we need all the help we can get against the GOP.

I don't think that SuperPAC support for either Bernie or Hillary indicates any sort of corruption, nor does Bernie's decision not to go with public financing. It's just political reality. You need to win elections in order to change things.

[Avalux]

6. Shows they are desperate and scared. Not much left in the Clinton arsenal. n/t

[cyberswede]

9. Yep, as I said in another thread...

A nurses union ? big money interests

if Sanders is beholden to nurses due their support, it doesn't really benefit the 1% over everyone else.

there is no super PAC created solely to support Sanders’s campaign for president as there is for Clinton

{The Clintons} made historic inroads on Wall Street, pulling in at least $69 million in political contributions from the employees and PACs of banks, insurance companies, and securities and investment firms. Wealthy hedge fund managers S. Donald Sussman and David E. Shaw are among their top campaign supporters, having given more than $1 million each.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

[Teamster Jeff]

12. Creating a false equivalency between Union and Corporate campaign donations is GOP Spin 101

It's basically how we ended up with Citizens United.

[cali]

23. Absolutely and that's why I found Dean's conflation of the two

so disturbing

[Dragonfli]

29. Look upthread, I think Dan has taken a course at least as high as 205 /nt

[Teamster Jeff]

86. Lol. He might have even taught the class! nm

[Depaysement]

31. +1000000

Interesting how the "little people" are fighting back, though. A twenty, a five and two singles turns into $100+ million when you've got an honest candidate talking about income inequality.

[Teamster Jeff]

85. .

[MisterP]

38. Ronald Reagan Dems, Citizens United Dems, David Brock Dems, Ralph Reed Dems

I'm annoyed by "but think about abortion!" as though that party faction wouldn't put it on the chopping block

[stillwaiting]

13. Anyone that does reveals themselves as fighting FOR the financial elite.

And, against average Americans' interests. Period.

[Dragonfli]

15. I agree wholeheartedly, including the synonyms /nt

[SamKnause]

22. The Republicans attacked the teachers.

President Obama could not find his comfortable walking shoes.

The Democratic party is attacking unions and nurses.

What a breath of fresh air Bernie is.

He walks the picket line with workers while campaigning for president and doing

his Senatorial duties.

Honorable, honest, sound judgment, dependability, and integrity are the reasons

I support Senator Bernie Sanders for president of the United States of America.

FEEL THE BERN

[Populist_Prole]

39. Solid observations

The status quo has officially uncloaked as limousine liberals.

[Blue_Adept]

28. Some speech is more acceptable than other speech

Since speech = money

[Kalidurga]

41. Well there are a lot more nurses who are women.

They probably just want those nurses to shut up and sit down oh wait never mind they want them to shut up and stop complaining about their working conditions all day on their feet, long shifts, and a high burnout rate.

[turbinetree]

46. Now here is some FACTS.....................................

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=P00003392&tabIndex=1


http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?&tabIndex=1&candidateCommitteeId=S4VT00033




Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Democracy beings with you---------------------------tag your it

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress and State and Local Legislatures


Democracy is not a spectator sport -------------------get involved

[snort]

84. Thanks.

[turbinetree]

92. Your welcome FEC reports basically say everything about the money...................................

and opensecrets.org basically says how much from whom



Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Democracy begins with you------------------tag your it

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, and State and Local Legislatures


Democracy is not a spectator sport-------------------get involved

[HassleCat]

49. Depraved? Nah. Just politics as usual. (eom)

[zentrum]

52. The Nurse's Union is

…one of the most socially conscious, passionate for good medical care, dedicated to our welfare groups there is! And they are not rich! At all!

You and those synonyms are 1000% correct.

[last1standing]

53. Agreed. I had great respect for Dean despite his support for NoHope Hillary.

But smearing Unions for political gain is beyond the pale. He can go fuck himself, now.

It just goes to show how Wall Street corrupts politicians until they have no understanding of what is right or wrong.

[KittyWampus]

69. Speaking the truth about what Union PAC's are or are not is "smearing"?

Some serious denial.

[last1standing]

71. Unions are not super PACs, they cannot accept dark money. To suggest otherwise is a smear.

It is also a lie.

Unions must account for every penny they collect while super PACs, like the one illegally coordinating with NoHope Hillary, can take massive anonymous "donations" and funnel the money into working for the benefactor's desires. A union can donate to, or even create, a super PAC, but it cannot be a Super PAC.

Why are you supporting Dean's outrageous lie?

[H2O Man]

58. True.

Recommended.

[Jefferson23]

62. That's all they got and they know it....a flawed and highly compromised candidate. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[KittyWampus]

68. It's hypocritical of a sanctimonious candidate like Sanders to denounce PAC's up until

he starts getting money from them and stops in mid-campaign.

[CoffeeCat]

74. It's stupid, is what it is.

Her sycophants, who spin her Wall Street ties, prove time and time again that they'll come up with heaps of bullshit talking points to explain away her corruption and scurrilous activities.

They lack self awareness.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Not to mention laughably obvious.

[CharlotteVale]

89. K&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

90. Ya know what? We should look at the bright side....

The product of the Hillary campaign committee is starting to look like it's coming from a bunch of newbie stoners passing a chubby made with shake.



They're all like, "Wow,...that whole super pac thing is dragging us down and Bernie has unions on his side..." [puff] "...oh, I know, let's say unions are the same thing as super pacs!"

"Got any munchables?"

Now it makes perfect sense.