2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumARG New Hampshire Tracking Poll -Sanders 53% (-1) Clinton 41% (+3)
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/dem/nhdem.html
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Good.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)That CNN poll was clearly an outlier. He has a solid 10-15 point lead
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The 30-point lead was the only one I saw, apparently, so I was initially rather started.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)and several other polls +20.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Makes you wonder.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will say he was +30 on Monday.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I'm mocking the exuberant exaggeration and hyperbole from BS fans. It does look a little silly, doesn't it?
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)where she was ahead and Sanders' lead narrowing in New Hampshire.
What else would anyone expect after the tie in Iowa?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, nuclear war, and... flatulence.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)We'll see how this all plays out and -- probably Clinton will hold the lead but the news out of Iowa is bad for Cruz and bad for Clinton.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)panic if I was a Clintonista.
Here's an update via the New York magazine report, "Des Moines Register Says Iowa Democratic Caucuses Were a Debacle, Calls for Audit":
the editorial board of the Des Moines Register on Thursday called for an audit of the results to provide greater transparency and tamp down the inevitable conspiracy theories.... we cant stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error. What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period. ... the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.
The Register is alluding to the resistance of the state Democratic Party to an audit based on the traditional objection that candidates had or at least were allowed to have representatives in every room where votes were counted. Indeed, the whole process is largely self-policed by candidates.{T}he results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. ... much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.
Too many accounts have arisen of inconsistent counts, untrained and overwhelmed volunteers, confused voters, cramped precinct locations, a lack of voter registration forms and other problems. Too many of us, including members of the Register editorial board who were observing caucuses, saw opportunities for error amid Monday nights chaos.
I was "observing caucuses," too, and saw a lot of the same chaos and "opportunities for error." ... The bottom line is that the Register is asking Iowa Democrats to turn over a lot of rocks from beneath which a lot of things that will not reflect well on Iowa will crawl out, and without necessarily resolving the question of who really won. Its suggestion of a "blue-ribbon commission" to improve caucus operations (the Iowa Republicans did something like that in 2012 after the state party put a big thumb on the scales of media coverage by erroneously calling Mitt Romney the winner on caucus night) makes sense. But the more everyone stares at the caucuses, the more questions will come up. In that respect, an audit would, if nothing else, reinforce Bernie Sanders's claim that the results were a "virtual tie." Who can say otherwise?
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Here is the address for the IA Attorney General:
Tom Miller
Office of the Attorney General of Iowa
Hoover State Office Building
1305 E. Walnut Street
Des Moines IA 50319
If there is evil afoot he needs to made aware of it.
Entrance/exit polls used to be the gold standard for checking/verifying elections results. Hillary Clinton was leading in them 50-44%:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/entrance-polls-predict-clinton-and-trump-wins.html
How do we know she wasn't the victim of chicanery
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)on purpose?
How do we know whether she was the victim of chicanery? An audit. Let's get one.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What else would you compare them to?
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)which is isn't, it woudl not refects a caucus result.
Ask yourself, how did O'Malley do in the entrance polls? How did that reflect his ultimate performance? Why the discrepancy?
You cannot honestly answer those questions and hold fast to your statement that entrance polls are the "gold standard" for verifying a caucus.
Discrepancies have been uncovered -- why wouldn't a Democrat (or a democrat) want that audited?
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)...especially if you dismiss there being any value in just coming close, or in beating expectations. From that perspective, if nothing mattered about Iowa except that Hillary won, then nothing will matter in NH except that Hillary lost. (Unless, of course, she wins!)