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ARG New Hampshire Tracking Poll -Sanders 53% (-1) Clinton 41% (+3) (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 OP
His 30 point lead is disappearing as we speak. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #1
He never had a 30-point lead DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #2
Thanks for that info. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #3
U.Mass tracking also gave Bernie a plus 30 lead book_worm Feb 2016 #4
I'm starting to think all CNN polls are outliers. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #5
Bernie is in FREEFALL!! His numbers are IMPLODING!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #6
I am not going to get carried away...I will err on the side of prudence. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #7
Actually ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #8
Aren't all of the poll tightening after the tie in Iowa? Isn't Clinton's lead collapsing in polls Vote2016 Feb 2016 #9
A close victory is not a tie. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #10
Maybe you haven't been following the news out of Iowa. It's smelling like Romney-Santorum 2012 redux Vote2016 Feb 2016 #12
I would hate to be in the same lump with Trump challenging the IA results but that's just me./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #13
I understand that Bill Clinton and Charles Manson both ate at McDonald's. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #15
With these headlines: "Clinton Iowa Caucus EXPOSED! Caught Committing VOTER FRAUD (Video)," I'd also Vote2016 Feb 2016 #16
Here is the address for the IA Attorney General DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #18
Entrance polls as the "gold standard" for checking a caucus? Is that an honest error or misleading Vote2016 Feb 2016 #19
Exit/entrance polls are a good way of checking actual results. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #20
You know how Iowa's Democratic caucus works, right? Even if the entrance poll was 100% accurate, Vote2016 Feb 2016 #21
12 points behind with only 3 days to go, doesn't look good for her... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #14
K&R mcar Feb 2016 #11
HILLARY is SURGING!!! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #17

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
3. Thanks for that info.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

The 30-point lead was the only one I saw, apparently, so I was initially rather started.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. Actually ...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

... I'm mocking the exuberant exaggeration and hyperbole from BS fans. It does look a little silly, doesn't it?

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
9. Aren't all of the poll tightening after the tie in Iowa? Isn't Clinton's lead collapsing in polls
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

where she was ahead and Sanders' lead narrowing in New Hampshire.

What else would anyone expect after the tie in Iowa?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. A close victory is not a tie.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, nuclear war, and... flatulence.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
12. Maybe you haven't been following the news out of Iowa. It's smelling like Romney-Santorum 2012 redux
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

We'll see how this all plays out and -- probably Clinton will hold the lead but the news out of Iowa is bad for Cruz and bad for Clinton.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
16. With these headlines: "Clinton Iowa Caucus EXPOSED! Caught Committing VOTER FRAUD (Video)," I'd also
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

panic if I was a Clintonista.

Here's an update via the New York magazine report, "Des Moines Register Says Iowa Democratic Caucuses Were a ‘Debacle,’ Calls for Audit":

the editorial board of the Des Moines Register on Thursday called for an audit of the results to provide greater transparency and tamp down the inevitable conspiracy theories.

... we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error. What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period. ... the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.

The Register is alluding to the resistance of the state Democratic Party to an audit based on the traditional objection that candidates had — or at least were allowed to have — representatives in every room where votes were counted. Indeed, the whole process is largely self-policed by candidates.

{T}he results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. ... much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.

Too many accounts have arisen of inconsistent counts, untrained and overwhelmed volunteers, confused voters, cramped precinct locations, a lack of voter registration forms and other problems. Too many of us, including members of the Register editorial board who were observing caucuses, saw opportunities for error amid Monday night’s chaos.

I was "observing caucuses," too, and saw a lot of the same chaos and "opportunities for error." ... The bottom line is that the Register is asking Iowa Democrats to turn over a lot of rocks from beneath which a lot of things that will not reflect well on Iowa will crawl out, and without necessarily resolving the question of who really won. Its suggestion of a "blue-ribbon commission" to improve caucus operations (the Iowa Republicans did something like that in 2012 after the state party put a big thumb on the scales of media coverage by erroneously calling Mitt Romney the winner on caucus night) makes sense. But the more everyone stares at the caucuses, the more questions will come up. In that respect, an audit would, if nothing else, reinforce Bernie Sanders's claim that the results were a "virtual tie." Who can say otherwise?

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. Here is the address for the IA Attorney General
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

Here is the address for the IA Attorney General:

Tom Miller
Office of the Attorney General of Iowa
Hoover State Office Building
1305 E. Walnut Street
Des Moines IA 50319


If there is evil afoot he needs to made aware of it.

Entrance/exit polls used to be the gold standard for checking/verifying elections results. Hillary Clinton was leading in them 50-44%:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/entrance-polls-predict-clinton-and-trump-wins.html

How do we know she wasn't the victim of chicanery

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
19. Entrance polls as the "gold standard" for checking a caucus? Is that an honest error or misleading
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

on purpose?

How do we know whether she was the victim of chicanery? An audit. Let's get one.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
21. You know how Iowa's Democratic caucus works, right? Even if the entrance poll was 100% accurate,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

which is isn't, it woudl not refects a caucus result.

Ask yourself, how did O'Malley do in the entrance polls? How did that reflect his ultimate performance? Why the discrepancy?

You cannot honestly answer those questions and hold fast to your statement that entrance polls are the "gold standard" for verifying a caucus.

Discrepancies have been uncovered -- why wouldn't a Democrat (or a democrat) want that audited?

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
14. 12 points behind with only 3 days to go, doesn't look good for her...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

...especially if you dismiss there being any value in just coming close, or in beating expectations. From that perspective, if nothing mattered about Iowa except that Hillary won, then nothing will matter in NH except that Hillary lost. (Unless, of course, she wins!)

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