I will confirm that Clinton pledges not to cut

[mmonk]

Social Security. I belong to Social Security Works and SSW is claiming victory Feb. 5th after pressuring candidates to commit.

[bkkyosemite]

1. Now she tweeted to Bernie

that she will expand it.

[retrowire]

9. and in the first debate

when she was asked if she would expand SS, she carefully answered with... "I will... ENHANCE social security..."

why not just say yes?

but oh well she's changed her position again with wording... I guess

[Karma13612]

14. because the word 'enhance' is used to slice and dice

who exactly will see a benefit.

It won't be across the board.

She is very good at proposals to only help certain people for certain benefits and programs.

If you fall outside some defined guideline, you lose.

And unless all that is defined before a vote, you might be voting for someone who has no intention of helping you, based on certain demographic, or income, or other entitlement test.

$15 minimum wage for some.
Enhance social security (I think she means for women who didn't work and those who are widowed)
Free tuition for some students

see, it's a slice and dice.

If you miss the cut-offs you are screwed.
You decides the cut-off criteria?

Sorry, not buying.

[JackInGreen]

2. Not that I don't trust you

I don't trust her, I'm glad to hear they feel positive, but I want to hear it from the candidates.

[mmonk]

3. I understand. SSW didn't either because of the

Third Way position. We are now moving to Congress to pressure them.

[PoliticAverse]

4. Would you consider "raising the retirement age" a cut?

Do you consider the Greenspan Proposals that were adopted a "cut" to Social Security?

[mmonk]

6. Yes.

[PoliticAverse]

13. I would as well. That's what happened in 1983 as a result of the bi-partisan Greenspan Commission

but many people seem to not consider that as a 'cut'.

In 2008 Clinton suggested the creation of bi-partisan commission to determine
changes to Social Security and Obama pointed out that resulted in a raising of the
retirement age.

CLINTON: I am totally committed to making sure Social Security is solvent. You’ve got to begin to reign in the budget, pay as you go, to try to replenish our Social Security Trust Fund. And with all due respect, the last time we had a crisis in Social Security wa 1983. Pres. Reagan and Speaker Tip O’Neill came up with a commission. That was the best and smartest way, because you’ve got to get Republicans and Democrats together. That’s what I will do. And I will say, #1, don’t cut benefits on current beneficiaries they’re already having a hard enough time. And #2, do not impose additional tax burdens on middle-class families.

OBAMA: That commission raised the retirement age, and also raised the payroll tax. So Sen. Clinton can’t have it both ways.

(From: http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm )

[ElliotCarver]

5. The fact that we have to pressure her not to cut it

is a huge red flag. like she's "evolving" on this issue. why can't she just be a good democrat? because she and her people are burrowed so deeply in the keester of big business that she has to pre-clear and placate donors before adopting progressive stances

[mmonk]

8. Yes, it is a problem but at least we got this.

[kristopher]

15. Yes, it is a problem(period)

Being thankful for scraps just gets you more scraps.

[NV Whino]

7. Out of which side of her mouth was she speaking?

[mmonk]

12. Well all I can say is yesterday's press release.

It didn't specify.

[Broward]

10. If true, Bernie's campaign and the pushback from the Left is paying dividends.

There's no guarantee that she would stick to her word, but getting her on the record would be a plus. In any case, we must continuously apply pressure. Otherwise, the corporate wing will likely reverse course. Obama putting cuts on the table shows what they're capable of.

[AgingAmerican]

11. Instead she will raise the retirement age, and mess with chained CPI

AKA cut it

[Ferd Berfel]

16. Triangulation - her 'expansion is very limited and specific

Demand lower prices for prescription drugs for seniors receiving Medicare.
"Demand" ... i.e. beg in harsh tones? And what about the rest of the country that pays 5 times what the rest of the world pays? How about forcing the greedy bastards into submission?


Expand Social Security benefits for widows and those who took time out of the paid workforce to care for a child or sick family member.
expanding for widows and sick leave is fine but WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?

It depends on what your definition of the word IS, is.

[Downwinder]

17. Legal speak.

And she IS a Lawyer.

[Ferd Berfel]

18. yep

she is again hoping that no one will notice. And Apparently people that quote this crap haven't.