Does anyone proudly stand with hillary endorsing kissinger?

[SwampG8r]

A lot of proud standing for someone proud to stand with kissinger.

[lsewpershad]

1. Killenger

You must mean killinger.

[Bluenorthwest]

2. I think they are busy proudly standing against Danny Glover's endorsement of Bernie.

nt

[DefenseLawyer]

3. It is just bizarre

That this hasn't gotten more scrutiny. I saw Charlie Pierce mention it briefly but there hasn't been much else in the press. To me, if you're going to invoke Kissinger, you need to be asked about Kissinger's world view and his deeds.

[farleftlib]

4. birds of a feather

Our country's expressed outrage at despots and dictators world-wide rings hollow while Kissinger remains a free man.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Our war criminals walk proud.

[INdemo]

6. Kissinger (Nixon's puppet)

was a part of the scheme in 1968 that stalled the Paris peace talks so Nixon could use the Vuetnam war to his advantage.
This stunt cost more American Lives and both Nixon and Kissinger should have been punished for this along with many other War Crimes

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. They can't defend that one either.

They can't defend any of her policies/positions/wrongheaded statements, so you have to wonder WHY? they support someone so indefensible?

At this point, it has to be a vote against Bernie...he's the wrong gender, he's Jewish, he's too Progressive, he's a Democratic Socialist, he's not a millionaire, etc...

She's much too flawed a candidate to want as president.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[KingCharlemagne]

9. I wish Sanders and his campaign would go for the jugular and run ads

featuring that debate moment. My one complaint about Bernie: not sharp enough elbows. He is too much a gentleman.

[SwampG8r]

10. She will kill any chance of progress by losing the ge

We can run damn near anything including a happy meal and win by comparing issues with the gop
Damn near anything as long as it isnt her
She kills turnout on our side
she maximizes gop turnout
indies despise her
she has zero crossover appeal
Its mystifying

[MrMickeysMom]

8. Remember to register YOUR SUPPORT HERE!

Unfortunately, we cannot share her endorsement of Kissinger with the 58,000 lives needlessly taken for the Vietnam "conflict" that left so many homeless vets under the bridge.

Who's willing to share this news with the homeless vets, since all the dead ones are unreachable...

Endorse your dead soldiers here, you guys!

COME ON!!!! WHO'S FIRST???

[SwampG8r]

11. Dont expect an answer

There is no answer for it

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Cowardly...

roar! Run Away!!!!

[asuhornets]

13. Why would you stand with Bernie? He has no foreign policy except..

Hillary voted for the Iraq war and he voted against it-that is not a foreign policy plan.

[PonyUp]

14. Is sucking up to Kissinger a foreign policy plan?

[asuhornets]

15. Again what is Bernie's foreign policy plan?

Is it he voted against the Iraq war? He was out of his league in the debate. He looked flustered when talking about it. Trying to change the subject-like you are right now.

[jillan]

38. So funny that same exact thing was said

about Bill Clinton.

[asuhornets]

21. Hillary's foreign policy..

is like none other and she knows her stuff. This woman is experienced and ready on day one. Hillary does not need on the job training, as Sanders would. I am amazed at the wealth of her knowledge on every topic. Sanders is not even curious about foreign policy. He is a one-note yelling candidate. The only person that is better on foreign policy than Hillary is Bill Clinton.

[jonestonesusa]

45. As a Sanders supporter, I appreciate your coming by to discuss the topic.

A few things that I would expect from a Sanders administration on foreign policy (you can certainly check his site as well):

Two major items that are similar to Clinton:
efforts to negotiate a global pact to reduce climate change
meaningful immigration reform


Two major items that are different from Clinton:
trade pacts that are more pro-worker and pro-environment and that do not give NGOs (World Bank, etc.) too much power
a stronger effort to avoid military intervention abroad, including an effort to reduce the military budget

I would disagree with the perception of Secretary Clinton as being necessarily more effective in foreign policy, given the cataclysmic Iraqi war vote, saber rattling related to Iran, and financial support from the defense industry. I would also say something similar about former President Clinton - I disagreed with NAFTA, I disagreed with the no-fly zone in Iraq, and I think that in retrospect, the most-favored nation status with China had some unintended consequences. I think that a lot of the relationships that both Clintons work on abroad leads to favorable treatment for the financial sector and global movement of capital, which has had negative consequences, including the crash of 2007. I also think that both Clintons (like the Bushes have done) leverage international relationships for personal gain.

I do think that Pres. Obama has been successful in certain respects with establishing stronger relationships with the developing world and pulling back a bit from armed conflict (the Iran agreement and the drawdown from Iraq are two examples). Secretary Clinton was a part of this work and deserves credit for it. However, I read occasionally in news sources that she preferred to be more interventionist in Syria and was more hawkish on Iran. I don't agree with these positions.

So - that's my piece. Always happy to discuss issues, and I'd be happy to be informed about something I'm missing about the foreign policy record and/or the foreign policy goals of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Ronald Reagan, Bill CLINTON and JOE BIDEN were never in the military.

Here's the requirements to be President and the CONSTITUTION doesn't require FOREIGN POLICY experience, that argument is moot:

Qualifications for the Office of President



Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States

Unless Democrats now think the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is "just a goddamn piece of paper" like HILLARY'S friend G.W. Bush does.

Bernie has been in Congress for 25 freakin' years. He's more qualified than BILL CLINTON AND RONALD REAGAN were. Being Governors for 2-3 terms is no more qualifying than 25 YEARS in Congress. And that goes for HRH'S stint as SOS...

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[asuhornets]

19. If he's more qualified...

then why it doesn't show in the Democratic debates. The media are always bring of the FACT that foreign policy is not his thing. And his policy on the domestic front is to raise middle-class people taxes-what a winning general election slogan. <<sarcasm>>

[SheenaR]

22. My take

The media are always bring of the FACT that foreign policy is not his thing.

Exactly.. That is what the media is saying. As a Bernie supporter and as a self-proclaimed isolationist, I could care less what the media thinks about his foreign policy. That is why you surround yourself with capable advisors.

And find me the last President that was A+ on every facet of policy (Domestic, Foreign, Economic, Trade, etc.)

Keep throwing stones from the glass house though when your candidate has an atrocious foreign policy record.

[asuhornets]

23. I can imagine a Clinton foreign policy team,

but not Sanders foreign policy team. In a Sanders Administration who would that consist of?

[SheenaR]

24. You would have to ask Senator Sanders

since I am not privy to that information. But I admire your imagination.

[asuhornets]

28. You have no idea what a Sanders Administration would consist of.

And neither does he. That's the point.

[SheenaR]

31. Lol

Please then list me the people who will comprise the Clinton administration since you are privy to such info.

I do not dare to speculate because there are likely several people who are openly supporting Sec. Clinton that would more than likely comprise his team. Thus it's difficult to just guess. Sorry.

[asuhornets]

33. I don't need to list anyone because

Hillary has been endorsed by several individuals in Congress unlike Sanders. That is why it is hard to envision his foreign policy team as well as his domestic policy team.

[SheenaR]

35. Ok..

I get it now. You want me to list, but you don't have to. Lots of people endorsed Clinton and Edwards last time around. Obama put an administration together. Have a good day though.

[Ferd Berfel]

20. You must have missed the part about being a

god-fearing Kristian.



Bernie has proven that he has better judgement and the guts to sand by it.

I'm with Bernie.



PS: Reviewed the entire thread. Didn't see much Proud standing......

[Warren DeMontague]

30. People said Obama had no credibility on Foreign Policy in 2008, too.

Touting Herny Kissinger as a buddy in this arena is relevant just like the IWR vote is relevant- it is indicative of judgment, perspective, and mindset.

Are you aware of the very real damage Henry Kissinger has done over the years? Leaving aside, for instance, the grievances the people of, say, Chile have with the man- it is indisputable that he sabotaged the '68 Paris Peace Accords to help Richard Nixon get elected that November. "Treason" is really not too strong a word, for the actions therein. But either way, the objective end result was prolonging the Vietnam war until 1973, when the exact same arrangements were settled in Paris, only with something like 30,000 more Americans dead and maybe a million more Vietnamese.



So like I said. Judgment, perspective and mindset.

[asuhornets]

32. Henry Kissinger is not running for President.

You like throwing the judgement card out there because that what Sanders throws out there in the debates. Hillary's judgement is fine. And I know this because in the debates Hillary's foreign policy experience is at the optimum level above Sanders and her Republican counterparts. No one has any idea if Sanders have good judgement about foreign policy,because he does not have one.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. It's not a "judgment card". The Iraq War was the biggest US foreign policy clusterfuck since 'Nam.

You're damn right it's relevant. Optimum Shmoptimum.

[sabrina 1]

16. I don't stand with Republican War Criminals.

[bigwillq]

17. Nope.

Go away, Hillary. Far, far away.

[ucrdem]

25. In what race did Hillary endorse Kissinger?

Note: celeb photo ops aren't endorsements.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. You missed when she brought his name up the other night?

[polly7]

26. Well someone did think his observations on foreign leaders are astute

and his travels relevant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1111531

[Kip Humphrey]

27. **crickets**

[deathrind]

29. kissinger...

Should be tried as a war criminal and sent to jail for the rest of his life. So to answer your question, No.

[avaistheone1]

34. It was HIllary's Freudian slip

and very telling.

[SwampG8r]

36. She has had so many its become a freudian petticoat

[avaistheone1]

42. and that petticoat is one of many stripes

[Betty Karlson]

37. No.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. I'll stand way over here thanks.

[Iggy Knorr]

43. The HRC/Kissinger Lap dance photo can't be unseen

"Don't you know that war criminals can be very helpful as advisors, you dirty hippies!"

[reformist2]

44. And yet ANOTHER thread Hillary fans avoid. It's the equivalent of plugging their ears.