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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:19 AM Feb 2016

I am NOT a progressive.. I am a liberal..

Always have been always will be... The right took on a full throat-ed attack on the word liberal in the 80's and people ran away from it.. I never did.. never will..so all the angst over the word progressive NOW is giving me the proverbial headache.

I am a Democrat.. always have been.. always will be.. and politicians come and go.. a time for every season..but the party has endured for over 200 years.. and yes it is has changed..back and forth.. but always moving forward..and the party process is a hard slog.. you fight it out in the party.. and then they come together to try and get a candidate elected

The primary / caucus season will be coming to an end very quickly.. and if your candidate cannot win the primary / caucuses.. they would NEVER have been able to win the general..

That is my take on it.. and get the hell off my grass..


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LakeVermilion

(1,042 posts)
1. I've been proudly liberal...actually an anarchist, for my adult life,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

and I love to be the one who asks the questions of all the "know-it-alls."

I have been a life-long Democrat based on human rights and the labor movement. I promise to be a Democrat forever, but I do hold my nose and vote against Republican/right wing candidates and initiatives.

I love the Sanders movement as it forces Hillary to pay attention to the party base. That's been a long time coming. Obama tapped into the base, but I was never satisfied with his education efforts.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
2. I think that traditional liberal Democrats and DLCers have a totally different take on the term
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Liberal Democrats for the most part feel that "Progressive" means "advancing human rights for all citizens, ensuring the health of the planet and biodiversity for future generations, and beneficial (non destructive) advancements in science, medicine and technology".

DLC "Democrats" see to feel that the term Progressive means " Increasing the profitability of American financial markets, advancing American influence abroad, and advancements in science, medicine and technology for increased profit shares." "Progress" is leveling that pristine old growth forest for a Walmart Super Center and a Chick-fil-a (something that is happening right now in South Florida).

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
3. I still say album when I know fewer and fewer folks know what the hell one is
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

...I began using progressive years ago, realizing that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the two terms, except in the way more and more folks relate to the term.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Liberal progressive here. BERNERS are "illiberal left"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:39 PM
Feb 2016

progressives. They are, in fact, the left's angry, intransigent version of the right's tea-partiers and xenophobic social conservatives. See if anything in this from William Domoff's Who Rules America? reminds you of anyone, including yourself of course:

Although the Right and Left have major differences that make it almost impossible for them to agree on anything, they also have certain -- if not immediately apparent -- similarities as well. In fact, they are remarkably similar for how different they are. Since these similarities are of a type that tends to make them blind to any other view, these similarities further reinforce the dichotomy between them: that is, the similarities I am about to discuss make for more differences.

First, they share the same high degree of moral outrage and anger. This strong moral outrage makes them into absolutists. They become True Believers in their cause, with no doubts whatsoever. They see everyone else as sell-outs and trimmers. This includes many people who share their sympathies, but not their fanaticism. This disdain for less fanatical friends who share their general beliefs also reveals to us what the tamer versions of Rightists and Leftists, that is, conservatives and liberals, have in common: they are more pragmatic, tentative, and experimental in their beliefs. As might be expected, then, and as everyday observation makes apparent, there is often tension between moderate conservatives and Rightists on the Right side of the divide and between liberals and Leftists on the other side.

On the Right, the tension is due to the fact that the moderate conservatives are willing to accept the current situation on most issues, whereas Rightists are not. Rightists in the Republican Party often contemptuously call moderate conservatives "RINOs," which means "Republican in Name Only," and therefore fair game for attack because they are weak-kneed compromisers and backsliders. For example, most American conservatives do not want to go back to black-white segregation or to the subjugation of women, even though most conservatives of the 1950s and 1960s opposed the extension of equality, fairness, and opportunity to women and African-Americans (including famous libertarians of the 1950s through the 1990s such as William F. Buckley). Present-day conservatives have accepted those changes; they figure that's the way things are, but things should change no further (and people like Buckley came to accept the changes and even regret some of their past views).

However, those on the far Right have not accepted most of these changes. They talk about the 1950s as a golden era, even though there were far fewer ultra-conservatives than there are now, and even though it was a time of racial segregation and almost complete male dominance. The thought that there have been changes in the tried and true ways completely upsets them. Indeed, they claim that the problems of today are due to the changes since the 1950s. There has been "moral degeneration," something that Rightists have been saying throughout Western history. They have once again created a self-serving myth about the past.

Similarly, there is tension between liberals and Leftists over many issues. Liberals want small gradual improvements, but political Leftists want major changes right now. When various types of Leftists have to define what they share in common, they are sure of one thing -- they are not mere liberals. Put another way, Leftists often define themselves as "not-liberals."

The moral outrage of True Believers of the Right and Left leads them to share a second similarity: they see everything as rushing to a huge crisis. They share the feeling that things have become intolerable and can't go on any longer. This sense of crisis is defined as growing immorality and degeneracy on the Right and as intolerable inequality, corruption, and injustice on the Left. However, at the same time, both Right and Left have hope because they believe that things are going to come out all right, that is, the way they want them to.

These feelings of impending doom followed by a new dawn lead the political Right and Left to share the same underlying theory of how history unfolds and how it will end. For both extremes, it is a story of an original paradise that is lost due to one or another mistake or sin, followed by a growing crisis that leads to an apocalypse, which then leads to a regaining of paradise. That is, both Right and Left begin with the idea that human beings once lived in positive, non-conflictual social groups that were, sadly, disturbed by one factor or another, which has led to the current crisis that is soon to reach an apocalyptic climax. This huge climax -- this Armageddon, this revolution, this upheaval -- will be followed by a new positive state of being. It will incorporate some positive aspects of what developed after the primordial human society was left behind.

Where Right and Left differ is in the substance of the matter...


And don't they big time.

But, illiberals primarily identify themselves by being NOT liberals by being anti-liberals; and in now calling themselves "progressives" insisting that only they can be progressive and must pull America into the future, kicking and screaming if necessary, alone. No wonder they almost always end up marginalized and ignored.

When that happens again, we will need the word "progressive" still admirable and not dishonored, because it's a very important component of the ideology of most liberals and most moderates.

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/change/left_and_right.html

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
12. I love the combination of "I am absolutely certain I am right"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

When it comes coupled with extensive evidence that you are not.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
4. I am also a liberal
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Not only that, I am a far left liberal. I've never run away from the term either. I laugh when people are astounded that the causes and issues that are important to them are actually liberal causes. They don't identify with the term because it has been mocked and even demonized but if the shoe fits, wear it. Own it even.

no_hypocrisy

(46,121 posts)
10. I believe that a lot of liberals are calling themselves progressive as "liberal" has been tarnished
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

as a term since Reagan.

I'll never forget the unctuous contempt of George H.W. Bush as he cited "the 'L' word". It put a lot of us on the defensive and gave a feeling of being called "pink" during the McCarthy Era.

Who can tell me of any democrat who pushed back since then?

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