2016 Postmortem
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BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Given your keen interest in the subject.
If I find videos, I'll post them. No problem.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Doesn't take a political genius to see through that ploy about the speeches. No one gives a shit, not even her most avid detractors.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Ya think?
I mean really, what does me listening to one of them have to do with the rest being released?
Again, thank you so much.
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)See this (skip forward to 48:10).
Propaganda and Collective Insanity - Illusion of Choice
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Thanks for posting.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Bernie's rates will increase significantly.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Has anyone ever offered Sanders thousands of Dollars for a speech?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I mean how many years has Sanders spent personally building homes for the poor?
How many years has he spent traveling to third world countries fighting disease?
What an absurd comparison!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Again, how many years has Sanders spent building home for the poor? How many times has he traveled to Africa fighting disease?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)either. You inferred. My question was generic.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)but I bet you a million dollars that Goldman Sachs would never invite Bernie to speak to their employees. Just typing that is laughable.
That's the difference between Bernie and Clinton.
She's not even a President and the investment and banking industry has paid her tens of millions of dollars to speak.
If that's not handwriting on the wall, I don't know what is.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)1. Republicans will whine.
2. Many old people will die
3. People will try to start wars
4. Republicans will fearmonger
5. Republicans will obstruct whatever they can
5. The people will keep on pushing for an uncorrupted demicracy
6. Many babies of countless species, plant and animal, will be born
7. People all over the world will have a longing for peace.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)No one should deny that even though there has been a concerted effort for decades to make the country hate them.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It certainly shows off the level of corporate opulence that is integrated within our politics.
But, hey, if I got $10,000 a minute to talk about whatever I enjoyed talking about, to people who were genuinely interested in hearing what I had to say, you damn bet your ass I would do it. Bill made most of their fortune doing speeches every three days after he left office.
I don't criticize anyone for doing speaking crap. I remember when Greenwald spoke to Cato or Heritage or whatever right wing group it was, I defended him, even though I am not a fan, etc.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and Goldman Sachs is certainly part of that.
Jealous that a woman can get so much for a speech?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Give it a rest. It has nothing to do with Hillary's gender. Any Democrat taking that much money from the banksters is a huge cause for concern.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Where was the concern before? I don't recall any other election with that being a great concern. Nor anyone being accused of (after having given the speech) feeling they had to do more than the speech and intending to enforce or not enforce the law in favor of Goldman Sachs.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Much like professional baseball players or musicians, it appears there is a market for listening to politicians speak.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I am an unabashed Clinton hater, because of all the evil they have brought into the world. They disgust me because of their sleazy politics, their corruption and their institutional racism.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Not even by majority of liberals.
But not because somebody made people hate them.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But we ain't in that club.
treestar
(82,383 posts)she may get less than male speakers of similar stature.
I'm sure you are judging here fairly, lol!
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)When Clinton canceled her planned fundraiser with Bain Capital.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-postpones-fundraiser-financial-services-218708
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)If Clinton said anything scandalous at any of her speeches you know it would've leaked. So it was very much just the pro-woman policy stuff. But I don't blame Sanders for going there. He needed to use that talking point even if it's weak because it appeals to part of his supporter group.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)gives a shit, which is exactly what I thought. It's the sort of thing that people who are looking to defeat her use as an argument, but as we can already see in this thread, they have exactly zero interest in watching the speech.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)So, it was a win for Sanders anyway. Plus, there is probably a segment of those supporters who don't think giving loans to women is a good thing, because it's dirty capitalism to give loans to women entrepreneurs in Africa, so if those people watched the video, they'd come away with it even more cynical.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)It's the kind of thing people who have never actually been poor say.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Thank you!
betsuni
(25,537 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Is this conspiracy? Yeah, Hillary Clinton getting money to the Clinton Foundation by selling weapons to unsavory nations.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Work your way through that.
elias49
(4,259 posts)or you wouldn't be blathering.
Ignore.
Have a good life.
BTW, why did you say the Clintons murder everybody? I think you're wrong there.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)I am devastated, my life is ruined and has no meaning without your approval. Please, I beg you, do not ignore my blathering!!!!!!!! I am nothing without you.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Let us know when you get those.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)some speeches have videos or transcripts for archival purposes, but the contract restricts release, sometimes for a specific period of time (a number of years).
As you may surmise, some of those contracts are also not public. It's quite likely Hillary would have to contact the various hosts that hired her to ask if they objected to a release.
I know that were I work, famous people and speakers are sometimes hired for large fees, and some presentations are fund-raisers, and some charge admissions, and some speakers reveal proprietary information. As such, most events are automatically prohibited from broadcast or release of transcripts without written permission.
Just like the video shown here for 10,000 women, it would be a lot of trouble over nothing, but if Bernie supporters want to hear Hillary talk for a few hundred hours or reading several thousand more pages of Hillary's thoughts - then I'm sure that Hillary would not mind releasing the speech contents or recordings. It would be nothing more than a really big Hillary commercial! It would also provide a college level education, so if there was a test, maybe some could get credit for listening and reading!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)So you have no way to know if there are contracts that exclude release of the video or transcript. You also have no way to know if the hiring organization negotiated a different deal. The article you link clearly says that speeches by famous people often raise money - despite the speaking costs.
All the stuff about speaker's preferences is typical. So what? UNLV, like public institutions may be governed by public records laws, so some of those speeches may be recorded.
At my education institution in Florida, some events prohibit recording (in any fashion, including transcripts), but others are open. I think you'd have to take each speech one at a time by it's location and contract.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)If so, you should inform Hillary so she can sue them.
A contract is a contract despite your educational experience.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)There is a lay royalty in America. She is part of that old elite world.
America --the idea -- dream, myth, vision -- was never supposed to be a monarchy, not at all.
The founders were rich and privileged, but smart and the idea was good. Equality. Freedom. An unrepressed pursuit of happiness.
"Nothing more powerful than an Idea whose time has come."
oasis
(49,389 posts)The anti-Hillary "Gotcha Squad" will be out to put their spin on anything and everything contained within.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Even if there was a hundred videos - the "bash and trash" crowd would simply look for sound bites to use against her.
I doubt that hardly anyone shouting about this would really read the transcripts. Chances are the entire idea is a RW attack seeded into various Bernie supporter groups. Otherwise, why would Bernie have never mentioned it himself? He's never called for transcripts.
Of course, no one has called for recordings and transcripts of Bernie's meetings and talks when he took a diplomatic trip/honeymoon to Russia!! What did he say to the communists? He obviously benefitted personally from a political trip!
Live and Learn
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)From the camp which tries to bury any question regarding its own candidate. And we haven't even gotten to the ethics of campaign tactics. Love all that transparency. Just love it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)What did Bernie promise? He got a really nice, free honeymoon.
Where are all of Bernie's emails about Locheed Martin? He courted them to come to Vermont.
If you want transparency, then start with the candidates and their record when they were not a Democrat.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)have any hopes at all of winning the White House. Good luck with that "Can't Do" campaign based on lies an innuendo.
So glad I am supporting a candidate that not only doesn't require me to do the same but doesn't even want me to.
In fact, when I have any Bernie paraphernalia (bumper stickers, pins, shirts) on me or my property, I am always reminded by his little voice in my head to be nice. Since I do so most of the time now, I can tell you I am an exceptionally nice person these days.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Put up or shut up? That's a little voice to listen to...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)http://inthesetimes.com/article/18509/anderson-coopers-claim-about-bernie-sanders-soviet-union-honeymoon-was-redb
You must be so proud!!
Sancho
(9,070 posts)If people are going to repeat RW criticisms of Hillary that can be traced to conservative origins - and there is no evidence of anything except unwarranted accusations - then that arrow flies in both directions!!
Think about it! You get the point!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I think it may have started right here on DU by Democrats that sincerely want to know what the hell she is telling these CEO's that makes her speeches worth so much money.
That is a huge difference!!!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)would be considered beneath the dignity of a presidential candidate.
treestar
(82,383 posts)innocuous remarks taken out of context to make something "bad." "Taking" things in the worst way possible.
Too bad for Bernie that's all that can be done to argue to vote for him. It is almost like the lesser of two evils. Hillary is so bad you have nothing left but Bernie. That's the essence of the campaign, at least in GDP.
oasis
(49,389 posts)comment, which torpedoed his campaign.
If the Bernie Campaign can manage to raise sufficient outrage, they could extend his viability beyond Super Tuesday.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Since Sanders sees all capitalist institutions as corrupt, evil frauds, he couldn't possibly envision both regulating them and exploiting them for the greater good. He just wants to break them up. Capital formation is one of the keys to the global economy. The 10,000 women initiative seems like a good thing. More of it needs to happen. If you can get the big players to see that they too have an interest in spreading and not just concentrating capital that's a step forward. Sanders is too busy railing to even try. He would be a terrible president, just terrible. Clinton will be a great one.
cali
(114,904 posts)of any number of businesses here.
<snip>
Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic socialist, says that he has long pushed policies that help small businesses, encourage entrepreneurship, and foster innovation. Sanders supported the Small Business Jobs Act, which created a $30 billion lending fund designed to spur smaller banks to make loans and increased the limits on the amount that companies could borrow under SBA lending programs. Sanders believes that the government has not done enough to support growing companies.
Small businesses take out loans so that they can improve and grow their businesses. Low interest rates on these loans can help businesses pay them back quickly while maintaining good cash flow, expanding the overall domestic economy, and creating more jobs, Sanders maintains.
<snip>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rohitarora/2016/01/29/could-bernie-sanders-be-the-best-small-business-president/#51a27d9e457
Stop making ridiculous false class, Ken.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)"the economic empowerment of women," which will help our business. We can't afford not to do this.
The entire intro appears to be tongue-in-cheek.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)It's important to recognize the economic contributions of women globally. She has done a lot to further this understanding.
And Goldman Sachs does does support lot of good non-profit causes with their wealth.
Is the topic / content of this speech indicative of her other speeches for GS?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Disgusting!
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)DU has a tendency to see everything in black and white. Taken on it's own merits, this is a good talk. And yes, Goldman Sachs does support some good causes.
What I found interesting is that after I watched this video -- all the way thru which doesn't seem to be what others have done here -- I went to youtube to catch the date and looked at the line up along the right hand there. Found an interesting 'This American Life' story on Carmen Segarra who taped meetings as a Federal Reserve regulator when working on Goldman Sachs. Will post that shortly in the video forum.
Simmer down there buddy. You jumped the gun.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)have given you the benefit of the doubt.
I apologize and look forward to your findings.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Check this out -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017327293
I think it will be interesting for others here to review too.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Response to BainsBane (Original post)
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virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)this is "A" speech.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)polly7
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Vinca
(50,278 posts)Her contract to speak said no cameras, no audio recording, etc. and was only transcribed with Hillary getting the only copy of the transcription. Let us see all the transcripts of all the speeches.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Looking into it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)or many someones - enough for the market to command that much.
Just like sports figures - they get millions to play baseball - well, people are willing to pay.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)was at the Clinton Global Initiative.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You got Not Good Enough. Good laugh. Thanks bains.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Have a great Saturday.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)this speech was allowed to be filmed and distributed?????
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Go ahead and watch, I just did...
Women are underserved in financial institutions. She was giving that speech as a strategic nod to her running in 2016 in 2014 as a voice to have women join in the finance industry. Much of what was in that speech was in reference to the Foundation's SHARED goals of Goldman Sacs. The message was to see that women WORLD WIDE were not the risk when it came to lending.
This is great news to lending institutions. World wide lending is what has kept the labor movement from having a level playing field.
Personally, it makes more sense to me have fair trade agreements than grow the GDP by debt.
Once you see the alignment of debt instruments as the GDP versus the sustainable jobs industry for woman (and men), you can pretty well see that she is absolutely aligned with the goals of the world bank and DEBT everywhere as "economies grow".
The economies themselves don't elevate the people, but the debt instruments help the goals of the Clinton Foundation and Goldman Sacs.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Here's the actual program that this is part of:
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative
Yes, Goldman Sachs was a partner in the event, but I think it's probably the reverse of the kind of thing people here are talking about. That is, rather than GS saying "Secretary, we'd like to hire you to speak at one of our events" it was more like the Clinton Foundation saying to Goldman Sachs "We'd love for you to be part of the Clinton Global Initiative."
My guess is that an event like this does not involve a speaking fee for Hillary per se, but rather the money Goldman Sachs paid to "partner" with the Clinton Global Initiative would have been a contribution to the Clinton Foundation.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)interested in the content of the speech.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Yes, BS-ers... that's right... I said EARNED. She deserves it. (Deal with it.)
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...her speeches. Why would she have "transcripts" anyway? I'd cash the check and call it a day!
riversedge
(70,242 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)This is a speech given for the Clinton Global Initiative at an event sponsored by Goldman Sachs. Good try, though.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)and was public which is why you can see a video of it.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That she got in excess of 250K for. Nice try.