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HENRY FUCKING KISSINGER?? (Original Post) SHRED Feb 2016 OP
tone deaf grasswire Feb 2016 #1
Dementia? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #3
All those times she "fainted" were possibly mini-strokes? Divernan Feb 2016 #22
Good point. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #37
Sad state of affairs when people toss "dementia" around like it's a laughing matter. George II Feb 2016 #65
Do you have a clue about Dementia? sheshe2 Feb 2016 #66
I'm more concerned about the victims of the bombs HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #67
Oh trust me, she's got it. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #69
I posed a question. That's what the ? means, capece? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #71
FFS! sheshe2 Feb 2016 #73
Please stop trying to derail legitimate speculation. kristopher Feb 2016 #76
Actually, their replies are enlightening. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #80
I don't see you making snarky comments about the candidate who repeatedly voted.... George II Feb 2016 #81
You sound desparate. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #82
Backing the candidate who will win the nomination? Not desperate at all. Pretty confident actually. George II Feb 2016 #83
Jury's in Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #86
That's not her world, is it? Her world is a 1 %, over-priviledged echo-chamber. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #31
that's one problem with her Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #48
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state." PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #2
That's a damning admission right there. A man generally considered be a fugitive sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #23
In all fairness Pol Pot was dead. elehhhhna Feb 2016 #36
Henry is still around and still wanted. The victims are also still around and still looking for sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #41
Birds of a feather: KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #43
She didn't read the Hitchens book! Califonz Feb 2016 #4
I am reading a new book on Nixon, in which of course Kissinger does not come off well. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #13
I'm guessing she read it as a how-to manual for power. last1standing Feb 2016 #51
I'm shocked. ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2016 #5
She should have known better than to connect herself with Kissinger. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #6
She's been a Republican masquerading as a Democrat Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #75
I think she has first and foremost been a avaricious seeker of money and power. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #78
Henry says... warrprayer Feb 2016 #7
OMG! Thanks for the well-needed laugh! kath Feb 2016 #15
PERFECT! MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #47
This is simply another example of how people SheilaT Feb 2016 #8
I knew he was a German Jew who fled Hitler. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #39
I will NEVER vote for ANYONE who is friendly will THAT WAR CRIMINAL! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #9
She may (might) win a few primary votes with that comment, but she lost the GE. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #32
Another embarrassing moment for Hillary... just never ends. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #10
sickening nt Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #11
That was for the millennials, or more accurately, bvf Feb 2016 #12
Not if they EVER have a class with me. a la izquierda Feb 2016 #26
+10,000 HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #40
Outstanding! bvf Feb 2016 #42
Point bvf ! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #50
I'm still shaking my head in disbelief as well. kath Feb 2016 #14
Yep, least we forget angrychair Feb 2016 #16
Who've you going to believe, Hillary supporters or your KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #45
She isn't tuned into the pet peaves BainsBane Feb 2016 #17
Count among my "pet peeves" bvf Feb 2016 #19
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #25
+1 (eom) farleftlib Feb 2016 #44
+ 1 - It's stunning. myrna minx Feb 2016 #46
Jaw-droppingly despicable, thank you. sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #52
Seriously. wtf. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #59
You da "keyboard warrior" babe! Divernan Feb 2016 #24
Some people might have real or maybe even other issues but then again............ nolabels Feb 2016 #77
Yeah and Mussolini made the trains run on time-"organizational acumen" my ass tularetom Feb 2016 #33
I have heard that Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #34
she could barbecue puppies on the front yard and eat them and some will still defend her... bowens43 Feb 2016 #35
. n2doc Feb 2016 #38
We're supposed to separate organization acumen and carpet bombing, are we? MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #49
Ugly post SHRED Feb 2016 #58
"Why can't Hill's supporters discuss campaign issues?" oasis Feb 2016 #63
You've given me another reason to post THIS: Ken Burch Feb 2016 #18
That's it for me, and I'm sure for many veterans . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #20
He and Hillary both have a lot of blood on their hands. I hope Sanders KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #57
Doesn't She Know . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #21
A lovely man, this Hank nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #27
Henry Kissinger 'considered Cuba air strikes' in 1976 neverforget Feb 2016 #28
Most of the people voting for her in primaries don't even know who he is. nt Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #29
huh? CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #56
I have a feeling it's even worse than that: Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #62
These folks need to be educated CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #85
This thread is no good without pictures n2doc Feb 2016 #30
They died for Henry Kissinger’s “credibility”: The real history of our Vietnam immorality Zorra Feb 2016 #53
Kissinger = criminal CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #54
Some quotes from Hillary's mentor and hero. PonyUp Feb 2016 #55
Control fraud CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #61
Empire. Octafish Feb 2016 #60
I just wanted to make a comment about Kissingers... DaGimpster Feb 2016 #64
A boomer here. A little perspective... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #70
A shout out to my homie, K-dawg Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #68
and this is not the top reason to vote against her SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #72
Reminds me of Bush and Panama silenttigersong Feb 2016 #74
. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #79
This is a major red flag for me gyroscope Feb 2016 #84

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
66. Do you have a clue about Dementia?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

How about Alzheimer? Have you studied these diseases ? Do you have a loved one that suffered from it? A devastating disease that in the end breaks your body down. Long and slow it just shuts you down. Prior to their body shutting down, they are so confused. They lose so many normal functions. They lose their memory slowly they lose it every single day until they no longer known you. They no longer know you. He did not know me!

I spent four hours with my father on the night that he died. I held his hand as he slipped away from me.

Your post is incredibly cruel.

This is what DUers do now?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
67. I'm more concerned about the victims of the bombs
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

She voted to drop. Not too concerned about the feelings of the defenders of a neo-con. If she's the Commander in Chief, we better be sure she has 100% mental faculties and solid judgement. The latter has already been proven faulty.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
69. Oh trust me, she's got it.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:35 AM
Feb 2016

You, sadly no.

Are you seriously saying she has dementia?

Don't talk to me about bombs, talk to me about the dementia you know so much about. Please go on.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
71. I posed a question. That's what the ? means, capece?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:46 AM
Feb 2016

Now you may return to defending a Kissinger admirer. On a "democratic" forum no less.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
73. FFS!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:11 AM
Feb 2016

Yah...a question mark. It was an innuendo, and you can answer to it. Talk to me about this devastating disease that my father wasted away from.

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

You are back to Kissinger when a DUer lost a father to said disease?

You are so off topic here.




Now you may return to defending a Kissinger admirer. On a "democratic" forum no less.


Where the fuck did I mention Hill or Kissinger?????????????????????????????????

Mother of god. I posted on your dementia remark and you took this totally off topic.

Never mind, never fucking mind you do not give one shit about my dad. Obviously your candidate does not either. My dad that I lost a year ago does not matter. Got it, loud and clear.


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
76. Please stop trying to derail legitimate speculation.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:37 AM
Feb 2016

Your personal story is unfortunate (and for that you do have everyone's sympathy) but it is not any sort of answer to the question posed. Attempting to use it to attack this question is simply bullying behavior.

I've wondered myself if Hillary's near daily failures of judgement might not reflect a health issue.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
80. Actually, their replies are enlightening.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

It's convinced me that Hillary probably doesn't have dementia as I asked. The odd behavior and nastiness she's displaying appears to be a group affliction. I hope they can be diagnosed and helped.

George II

(67,782 posts)
81. I don't see you making snarky comments about the candidate who repeatedly voted....
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

....to PAY for those bombs.

If the US military didn't have those bombs there wouldn't have been a vote about how to use them.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
86. Jury's in
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

I was one of the "no explanation" because...well...seems pretty obvious.


On Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm more concerned about the victims of the bombs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1163357

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster first claimed that Clinton had dementia, and now doubles down by calling her a neo-con? Calling a Democrat a neo-con has NEVER been permitted on DU, please hide this stuff.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A rose by any other name...
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The author made a tongue-in-cheek question about Clinton's mental faculties, and criticized Clinton's judgement. Whoever reported the post, took it personally, and didn't bother argue against the "Hillary's bomb victims" remark.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "Neocon"? "If she's the Commander in Chief, we better be sure she has 100% mental faculties and solid judgement. The latter has already been proven faulty."?

hooptiewagon is spreading lies.. trying to gin up all the hate he can on Hillary Clinton without a shred of proof.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. That's a damning admission right there. A man generally considered be a fugitive
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:17 AM
Feb 2016

from justice due to being wanted for questioning re war crimes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
41. Henry is still around and still wanted. The victims are also still around and still looking for
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

justice

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. I am reading a new book on Nixon, in which of course Kissinger does not come off well.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:05 AM
Feb 2016

He was cold blooded as Nixon was, they fed off each other.

anyone with blood instead of ice water in their veins would know to stay miles away from him.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. PERFECT!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

Those who don't learn by history are designed to live through a repeated version of those horrors.

Kissinger is a WAR CRIMINAL.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. This is simply another example of how people
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

at that level live inside a bubble. Hillary Clinton clearly as zero idea how Henry Kissinger is perceived by most people. She's probably unaware that he can't travel to certain countries because they'd arrest him for war crimes.

She has been travelling in rarified circles for far too long.

A side note here: In no small part because of his thick German accent, but in greater part because of his willingness to do things like tap the phones of his subordinates, I honestly thought he was an unrepentant Nazi. Imagine my surprise when I learned he was a Jew whose family fled Hitler in the 1930's.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
39. I knew he was a German Jew who fled Hitler.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

And I never could figure his extreme RW behavior...and I too considered it nearly Nazi like. And he seemed to have utter hatred and contempt for anyone even slightly left of center. I'm not surprised he and Hillary get along so fabulously, but I'm stunned she would tout it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
32. She may (might) win a few primary votes with that comment, but she lost the GE.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:56 AM
Feb 2016

She is an electoral defeat waiting to happen. It had better happen soon, before the nomination.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
12. That was for the millennials, or more accurately,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

her campaign's dumbass impression of them.

I'd bet anything she got advice that went something like:

"They'll recognize the name, but will be too stupid to know who he is, or too lazy to look it up."



a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
26. Not if they EVER have a class with me.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:29 AM
Feb 2016

That murderous scumbag gets raked across the coals in my Latin America classes.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
42. Outstanding!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

I hope teachers and professors everywhere do likewise.

The Clinton campaign obviously has no clue.

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
16. Yep, least we forget
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:13 AM
Feb 2016

There are people here in DU and in the real world that want to elect a person that, in their personal time, away from the public eye, calls the Bushs, Trumps and Henry Kissinger their friend.

Just saying...

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
17. She isn't tuned into the pet peaves
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

of keyboard warriors. I think she actually is pretty busy in life.


Most people who have criticisms of Kissinger are able to distinguish between organizational acumen and carpet bombing of Laos. You could always send her a list of words and names she isn't allowed to utter in public, but my guess is that she knows people like you aren't going to vote for her anyway.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
19. Count among my "pet peeves"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

the carpet-bombing of Laos.

Your post has got to be one of the most reprehensible things I've ever read here.

As for the "organizational acumen" thing: Let that one go begging.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
24. You da "keyboard warrior" babe!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:21 AM
Feb 2016

Nearly 35,000 posts on DU since joining less than 3.5 years ago?

That's over 10,000 posts per year.

Member since: Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:49 PM
Number of posts: 34,926

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
77. Some people might have real or maybe even other issues but then again............
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:03 AM
Feb 2016

there are others who have a laundry list snap-to-canned responses who are apt to post at someone rather than reply with a reasoned response. I am sure both us have seen all kinds in the last fourteen+ years and know that they come and go.

Btw. Santa Claus is failing to respond to my request also, I put in for my very own 'Jump-to-keyboard Warrior' costume and still nothing yet.

Here is to another fourteen years, hopefully a better fourteen years

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
33. Yeah and Mussolini made the trains run on time-"organizational acumen" my ass
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:36 AM
Feb 2016

So you say that he was very efficient at committing war crimes and that makes it OK for Clueless Clinton to use him as a role model?

I never thought I'd see the day when any presidential candidate, let alone one who calls herself a Democrat, would boast about the support of Henry Fucking Kissinger.

Bizarro world fer sure.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
49. We're supposed to separate organization acumen and carpet bombing, are we?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

Jesus Fucking Christ, that is unbelievable, what you just documented.

This is by definition the American version of a Good German, for FUCK'S Sake!

I hope you remove that disgusting post.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
63. "Why can't Hill's supporters discuss campaign issues?"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:51 PM
Feb 2016

This thread eliminates any possibility of that question popping up again.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
20. That's it for me, and I'm sure for many veterans . .
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:57 AM
Feb 2016

Kissinger threw so many of our lives away.

How out of touch with her progressive base can she possibly be?

Veterans For Peace

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
57. He and Hillary both have a lot of blood on their hands. I hope Sanders
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

Calls her out on this and that the good folks of New Hampshire show their displeasure.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
27. A lovely man, this Hank
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:54 AM
Feb 2016

Here, Hank is confronted whilst receiving the "Freedom Award"



Only kooks and wackos talk about a "New World Order". It's a conspiracy theory!





The "Chief Diplomats" of the US seen after burying their latest victim

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
28. Henry Kissinger 'considered Cuba air strikes' in 1976
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:06 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/29441281

He was angered by Cuba's 1976 military intervention in Angola and was considering retaliation if Cuban forces were deployed elsewhere in Africa.

The information comes from documents declassified at the request of the National Security Archive.

They show that Mr Kissinger was eager for the US to stand up to Cuba.

The documents from the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library show that US officials devised plans to attack ports and military installations in Cuba in addition to measures ordered by Mr Kissinger to deploy Marine battalions based at the US Navy base at Guantanamo Bay to "clobber" the Cubans.

-------

"I think we are going to have to smash Castro," Mr Kissinger told Mr Ford in a White House meeting in February 1976, adding Mr Ford should defer action until after the presidential election that November.

"I agree," Mr Ford said.

US contingency plans drawn up on the options warned any military aggression by the US in Cuba could lead to a direct confrontation with the USSR.

"The circumstances that could lead the United States to select a military option against Cuba should be serious enough to warrant further action in preparation for general war," one document said.

The plans were never undertaken, as Jimmy Carter was elected president that year.


CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
56. huh?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

Well we need to educate them!

Have them learn to read a book like "The Best and the Brightest".

Have them relive the Viet Nam War.

Criminal Kissinger is what they will find. CRIMINAL!!!!

Teach, learn and put down the test message thingy for a second is my advice!



CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
85. These folks need to be educated
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

These books need to be read again and again. The Best and the Brightest was required reading during my first semester as a freshman in college.

Time to put down the text editor and L E A R N!!!


Zorra

(27,670 posts)
53. They died for Henry Kissinger’s “credibility”: The real history of our Vietnam immorality
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016
So when the United States withdrew from Vietnam in January 1973, when “peace” was finally achieved, it came at a horrendous cost. Cambodia was dragged directly into the fray, leading ultimately to the rise of the Khmer Rouge and a genocide that killed approximately 1.7 million people— 20.1 percent of Cambodia’s population. Hundreds of thousands of North and South Vietnamese soldiers and noncombatants lost their lives. Of the fifty-seven thousand American soldiers who died on or above Vietnamese soil, twenty thousand perished during Nixon’s presidency. During the 1968 presidential campaign, Nixon had stated his intention to achieve “peace with honor.” In 1971, a returning veteran named John Kerry testified powerfully before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He indicted the war as “the biggest nothing in history” and posed a powerful question: “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

Kissinger’s best answer to Kerry’s question was “for the sake of credibility.” The national security adviser understood that the United States could not “win” the Vietnam War and largely agreed with Kerry that the Americanization of the conflict had been a mistake. But he was adamant that the nation could not be seen to “lose” it either. In a widely noted essay in Foreign Affairs in January 1969 titled “The Viet Nam Negotiations,” Kissinger placed greatest emphasis not on the tangible ramifications of withdrawal but on the amorphous psychological ones:

The commitment of 500,000 Americans has settled the issue of the importance of Viet Nam. What is involved now is confidence in American promises. However fashionable it is to ridicule the terms “credibility” or “prestige,” they are not empty phrases; other nations can gear their actions to ours only if they can count on our steadiness . . . In many parts of the world—the Middle East, Europe, Latin America, even Japan— stability depends on confidence in American promises.

Henry Kissinger’s plan for a staged withdrawal from Vietnam was thus sustained by the logic of keeping up appearances. “We could not simply walk away from an enterprise involving two administrations, five allied countries, and thirty-one thousand dead,” Kissinger observed in his memoir, “as if we were switching a television channel.” More would die to display America’s continued potency to friends and enemies. The nation would not slink away under cover of darkness but depart with all guns blazing.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/18/they_died_for_henry_kissingers_credibility_the_real_history_of_our_vietnam_immorality/


War Pigs




CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
54. Kissinger = criminal
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

Years ago (yes many) Kissinger was supposed to appear and speak at the State college I was attending at that time. Being he was embroiled in controversy, he dared not show his face and the speaking event was cancelled.

Since this time, the war crimes, etc. have only piled on and why the hell he is not in jail is beyond me.

I guess Kissinger has a permanent Get Out of Jail for life card!

I'd never use him as a reference for anything, much less as a tool to use while campaigning for President.
That said, she must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for WHO'S WHO to be on her list of advocates!



DaGimpster

(130 posts)
64. I just wanted to make a comment about Kissingers...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

... Name recognition or lack thereof with many young Americans. I am 37 and a student of history, but my 36 year old wife did not understand the significance of Hillary hitching her wagon to him until I explained it.

After that she researched him on Wikipedia and YouTube and then understood and strange way he was invoked by Hillary.

Boomers get it though and that's clear from reading many of the replies to this thread. Maybe that's a good thing considering Sanders lack of penetration on the 60+ age bloc.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
70. A boomer here. A little perspective...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:38 AM
Feb 2016

Dick Cheney is responsible for 700,000 deaths in Iraq.
Henry Kissinger is responsible for the deaths of 8,000,000 across three continents. He is a monster who should be rotting in a cell in The Hague.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
84. This is a major red flag for me
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:51 AM
Feb 2016

Sings the praises of a war criminal and co-author of the neocon manifesto PNAC that calls for endless war in the ME and elsewhere. She is very close to the Bush family who are major sponsors of PNAC

Hillary is a died in the wool neocon and warmonger, well to the right of Obama on foreign policy.
Get ready for 4 more years of nonstop war and escalation with her in the oval office.

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