2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWell has she had enough time to look into it yet?
Just asking..........
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)like Mitt Romney was looking into releasing his tax returns.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)DRI
(24 posts)Anything to deflect from answering Bernie's questions honestly.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Note this is posted in the Hillary Clinton safe haven group.
Enjoy.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...they want to maintain the fiction that there's something damning out there.
Pathetic politics. Completely out of touch with what voters want from our candidates in this election.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)THERE'S some fucking irony for the ages...
msongs
(67,413 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)Also, some speeches were fundraisers for the host who took in more than the speaking fee. It's really a naive question to ask, "Where are the transcripts?" Some speeches may be available, if she negotiates with the original hosts or has a lawyer check the contract for each occasion. Many of Hillary's speeches are available if they were public and recorded at the time.
Some people show how little they understand...but even Bernie might speak to a large group (say 5000) and each might donate $50. You can figure it out! If the host organization charged $1000 or more registration for a conference and crowds were larger, say 25,000, then the fee looks minor in comparison. Some speaking fees are covered by a wealthy donor or business.
It's not a mystery...and if she was talking to hundreds or thousnds of people, what does anyone think may have been said that was secret?
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)maybe she was just lecturing on civics, or ethics or something...god knows Goldman Sachs could have used some of that direction....
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)You know, every time she said "cut it out"? - Just for laughs; every good speech has its moments of levity, and her speech must have been phenominally good for that amount of money.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Sometimes speakers are simply an attraction, so that the organization can hit folks up for donations or whatever.
Groups kept hiring Hillary to come back, and she was one of the only woman speakers who ever commanded fees comparable to the famous men, so she must have been worth it or they would not have continued to hire her.
My educator's union and accreditation agencies have hired famous speakers for large fees. Sometimes politicians, sometimes business leaders, sometimes celebrities. One time we hired a famous football player. This year, our state meeting had a Senator.
If the meeting is attended by 5,000 to 10,000 people and everyone paid $300 to $500 registration (that's typical for my groups), then everyone is contributing to the speaker's fee. Of course, sometimes a big corporation might be a sponsor and pay for a speaker's fee. I would think high paid business executives would not even blink at a dinner costing $1000 or $2000 per person.
I've also been invited (not my money) to be at at table for a speech where a lobbyist bought the seats for about $5000 for a table of 6. I was invited because I was a union officer. In that case, the politician was a repub willing to speak against open-carry of guns! Our educators union wants stronger gun control.
Demanding transcripts is fine if people want them, but I suspect that if there was anything like a Romney moment in one of Hillary's speeches, that the GOP would already have found it and used it against her - after all, some of those audiences were as anti-Hillary as anywhere (except maybe GDP ). Most of those wanting them "released" won't read them or care what she says. They are just repeating the meme as an anti-Hillary attack-du-jour.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)It will remain a stain on her character, tomorrow and all days. She can never be trusted, because she never says the same thing twice, and you never know what she said to someone other than you, behind closed doors, where you couldn't hear her and would never know what she promised.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Until the days of Star Trek arrive, we can't say, "computer, play back everything".
Sorry, but you're wrong. No one in political history has ever been followed, vetted, or investigated more than Hillary Clinton. She is a real progressive and a real Democrat.
All the RW attacks that anti-Hillary folks buy into will never be "proven", because they are only rumors and CT's.
There is no "stain" other than someone who has worked for children, minorities, immigrants, and women for decades. She also is an accomplished lawyer, an international expert on foreign policy, and the first woman ever to have a real chance to be President.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)rights; she supported the TPP, the TIPP, and God knows how many NAFTAs-on-steroids. She helped usher in the prison industry and the way it disproportionally affects communities of colour; she supported cuts to social welfare that have the poorest children among us living in third-world conditions; she opposes a living minimum wage, which harshly affects single working mothers; and her expertise on foreign policy as a war hawk.
Yeah, that's some really progressive accomplishments.
I am not ready for Hillary, because I don't think I can take any more of that "progress".
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Your entire list is a summary of the unsubstantiated attacks, often repeated by the GOP rich who are scared to death of Hillary.
If you want transparency, you have to want the same for all candidates. And when it becomes clear that things are not as you've been told, you have to accept reality.
Bernie is not a progressive Democrat. Hillary is the best candidate for out next President.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)You Clinton guys have been so calloused by the (often vituperative false) attacks on Clinton from the right, that now you are insensitive to legitimate concerns from her left.
As for the moon: you may wish for it, but in the end she's just a satelite. You'd do well to wonder in who's orbit she is. It ain't yours.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)She'll look into it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that those requests for transcripts slips everybody's minds.
Which is very damn doubtful, so I'm pleased to kick this post and recommend it.