It's not the 1990s. The Clinton Machine still operates as if it was.

[cali]

So far, The onslaught of attacks on Bernie by Hillary, her campaign, surrogates and many media friends like Chris Matthews have been largely ineffective. Some have boomerangued back on her. Her campaign operated in much the same way 8 years ago. It didn't work then.

Her campaign sees him as a much softer target than obama. They have a lot more help from the democratic establishment and the media. They don't try to hide their frustration.

So why isn't it working?

The attacks from the campaign are often heavy handed and some are transparently dishonest. In an age where many people get their news from a wide array of online sources, the attacks are swiftly derfanged and even turned back on her. The campaign, incredibly, doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on the changing dynamics.

Hillary and her advisors seem to be stuck operating the same way they did 20 years ago.

[UglyGreed]

1. It is truly

amazing that the Hillary camp does understand people have access to Google.......

[NowSam]

2. I think this is so. eom.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. Hillary is getting as nasty as Bob Dole.

[INdemo]

30. as nasty as Dick Cheney would be a better example but

take a look at her campaign advisors..3 of her Senior advisors are right wingers. So why should we expect anything different

The one Woman that we set a lot on Cable news..Well she really needs to get a new script...the one she has used for the last week or so with all the Right Wing talking points..she might want to get a fresh script.

[winter is coming]

4. It's not just that you can do fact-checking on the internet.

The snark is devastating. People will pass around a joke faster than a rebuttal, and are more likely to remember things they laugh at.

[Fumesucker]

16. No quicker way to puncture a stuffed shirt than by laughing at it

Twitter seems to have been custom designed for snark...

[truedelphi]

43. Today I have been so enjoying various FB friends sending me

"Hillary won't release her Goldman Sachs speeches" and then below that telling text is the image of a smiling Bernie with either a "middle finger salute" photo-shopped and raised to Goldman Sachs, or the words "Fuck you Goldman Sachs!" in a bubble above his head. (not that Sen Sanders would use that language.)

[enigmatic]

5. The internet and social media is a leveler in getting a candidate's message across

Those who are running for office that has a campaign that smartly uses social media help themselves immeasurably.

Bernie's campaign has been very effective.

The Clinton campaign has acted like the internet is still in it's infancy and social media doesn't exist. They seemingly don't understand that and it shows.

[Voice for Peace]

42. Their ignorance on medical marijuana astounds me

As I wrote that, my brain sez:
ignorance? Or pharmaceutical $$$???

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I think you mean 'debunked' or maybe 'defanged' rather than 'deranged'. nt

[cali]

12. Oops thanks. I hate spellcheck

[Warren DeMontague]

7. true.

They dont seem to realize that it takes the average person fifteen seconds to fact check these inane assertions.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

8. Thom Hartmann says he's had many opportunities to be an insider like Chris Matthews

but didn't want to be beholden to anyone.

Matthews is Fox News Left -- the media mouthpiece of the DNC. Wow, does it show!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Hell, they're stiil try to sell that being not quite Republican = Progressive.

And, that talking about Socialism is going to scare people enough to vote for a not quite Republican moderate.

[mhatrw]

10. Clinton is the political equivalent of a fax machine.

Even the most qualified fax machine in history is just history in 2016.

[Ruby the Liberal]

45. Good analogy

[sorechasm]

11. No one's fooled by media sound bites anymore.

Maybe the complexity of PBO has us yearning to probe the depths of our leaders. Wading amongst spoon fed droppings led us down a path deep in manure.

[bvar22]

13. Anyone who thinks Bernie is a "soft" target,

is in for a rude awakening,
and Hillary learned in Iowa.

[cali]

15. They must know that by now

I should have put that in the past tense.

[Fumesucker]

14. The sensible moderate centrists are having nervous breakdowns

DU is not the only place I'm seeing it, the sputtering has been educational.

[OhZone]

17. I wish it was.

The 90s under Bill where the best economy ever. Team Clinton is good with that.

[cali]

20. Bubble economy.

And the deceleration of corporate influence in the party.

[OhZone]

38. Not at all.

Team Clinton, despite having rich doners and probably expecting to get rich eventually, raised taxes on the rich, and reduced the budget deficit. Actually, getting a surplus! Bill managed to avoid major wars, and started to get the internet to the masses. It was a wonderful time, and the rising tide raised a lot of boats.

[stillwaiting]

61. LOTS of things happened during the Clinton Administration that paved the way for where we are

today.

LOTS.

[OhZone]

62. "paved the way" does not equal what Bush did or what the GOP did -

to Clinton and our country.

[stillwaiting]

63. The things that happened paved the way.

And, Bill nor Hillary have come out against the things that happened.

Certainly not forcefully or with any true sense of urgency that would indicate that it's a priority that needs to be remedied.

[OhZone]

64. What are you talking about -

they fought the GOP - mostly successfully - for 8 years and gave us the largest peace time expansion in history.

And Hillary's whole campaign is about building on the progress over the last 8 years from Obama, expanding Obamacare - etc etc. She has a great Wall Street plan that Elizabeth Warren praised.

Did you want them to say sorry for letting Glass–Steagall being repealed? Yeah, he should have vetoed it BUT IT PASSED WITH A *VETO PROOF* GOP majority. Yes, a veto proof majority! It would have gone through anyway. And what did Bush do to try to address the coming issues from that? NOTHING!

So the GOP are our enemies. Not Team Clinton. Stop rewarding the GOP for their evil.

[stillwaiting]

65. I want them to FIGHT for our interests. They are very, very far from doing that.

It's a damn shame that so many don't seem to expect that from them.

[OhZone]

66. They are, they did, and they will continue to do so. n/t

[stillwaiting]

67. LMAO. nt

[ucrdem]

19. LOL, who's strutting around in relaxed-fit Levi's railing against NAFTA?

It ain't the Clintons.

[cali]

21. Huh?

And NAFTA has caused plenty of pain.

[AlbertCat]

27. And NAFTA has caused plenty of pain.

NAFTA still exists too, doesn't it?

Unlike Hillary's idea of what a campaign should be.

[Recursion]

28. I think the point is you can tell her campaign is still trying to control cable news cycles

It's not the particular issues but the pacing, just like GHWB in 1992 got caught wrong-footed because his campaign was stuck in the daily newspaper cycle pace.

[ucrdem]

39. The VRWC can afford to be quick and they basically own Twitter.

When Twitter hit the scene I knew exactly how it would be used for what by whom. I wasn't wrong.

[bigtree]

22. it's not as if Bill Clinton's presidency has been used against her

...repeatedly.

This is such a dishonest thread. Many of the Sanders suppporters' complaints against Hillary have focused on the 90's with faux concern about how that era's manufactured scandals will somehow hobble her campaign.

Beside that, the most prominent tactic of the Sanders camp against Hillary looks to be repeating 'liar' over and over'.

[cali]

25. How is it dishonest?

And yes, when Hillary lies, she deserves to be called a liar.

[bigtree]

29. you can get away with that here

...but if that's what most voters hear coming from your campaign, it actually strains the credulity of whatever you intend to promote.

[cali]

33. Typical. You simply don't answer and no fucking away do YOU

get away with that evasive nonsense.

[bigtree]

60. you have a lot of nerve expecting me to give you an answer you agree with

...typical of these post of yours. They're not designed for discussion at all. they're designed for hurrahs from your fellow anti-Hillary posters.

You got my response so deal with it.

[cali]

35. Here is Hillary LYING

Clinton really raised eyebrows by insisting that many Wall Street-backed super PACs were now gunning for her and that “They’re not giving me very much money now, I can tell you that much. Fine with me.”

However, The Washington Post reported today that Clinton’s assertion is patently false. The newspaper reported that through the end of December, “donors at hedge funds, banks, insurance companies and other financial-services firms had given at least $21.4 million to support Clinton’s 2016 presidential run.” That means that more than one out of every 10 dollars of the $157.8 million contributed to her campaign overall came from the financial industry, according to The Post’s analysis of Federal Election Commission reports.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-insists-she-not-beholden-180300868.html

[truedelphi]

53. The Washington Post has really done some decent articles on Mrs Clinton.

Now what we all need is for them to write some articles praising Bernie!

[truedelphi]

52. This is a talking point that is going viral.

NPR, Fox and others are talking about how poorly Ms Clinton answered the question about her high paid "speaking engagements."

Most voters know it was a quid pro quo situation, The Former Secretary can bat her eyes and claim that the large sums of money thrown at her after her speeches -- well, she can claim that that the money was "just what was offered me" like some gal who went to a party and was given a fur coat and then pretends that she didn't at all get that fur coat for her actions the night before.

We know she is a smart lady and she certainly is not so naive that she can believe that it was not quid pro quo.

And since voters have gone through the Collapse of the Economy 2008, lost their jobs, homes, and their future - well, they' re not naive any more either.

They are very mad that under the Obama/Holder Administration, not a single big wig involved in creating that collapsed economy got any serious jail time.
(And Obama appointee, Tim Geithner, who went around to some very important economic conferences with European ministers, he should have been in jail himself for RICO activities occurring while he managed the New York Fed, Autumn 2008. But instead Obama appoints him to be the US Treasury Secretary. And then he tells every important person he meets that "the President works for me!"

People are fed up and don't want this type of Government by The Rich for the Rich.

[Recursion]

31. I don't think cali is talking about the particular issues of the 1990s but about the campaign's pace

And I take her point: the Clinton campaign really does still seem (to me, at least) stuck on the idea of dominating a cable news cycle, and they're doing that more or less well.

Ironically as much as I bemoan the "twitter attention span" its result is that a campaign needs to keep more plates spinning at once. When you're campaigning for CNN, if you can set the terms of the talking heads' discussion for that twenty-four hours (that's "the twenty-four hour news cycle" Carville talked about) then you can drown out any other story. When you're campaigning for online and particularly user-generated media (Twitter, FB, etc.) then avalanches can come out of left field on anything that's happened that any of those users happen to remember at that moment.

[cali]

37. Yes, both the pace and the thinking which leads to a clunkiness

And the operate in a way that reminds me of actors in silent films. In other words, they over act and overreact. If that makes any sense

[kristopher]

34. Hillary Clinton speech income, April 2013 thru March 2015: $21,648,000

Total Hillary Clinton speech income, April 2013 thru March 2015:
TOTAL: AVERAGE: SPEECHES:
$21,648,000.00 $235,304.35 92

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2704851/Total-Bill-and-Hillary-Clinton-Speech-Income.pdf

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/index.html

[truedelphi]

46. And what is wrong with repeating the words "liar" ??

Any hustler who comes to a debate and does nothing but spin, then spin some more, then fabricate and lie lie LIE certainly deserves to be called what he or she is.

[AlbertCat]

23. "the last 20th century campaign"

Somebody on DU called Hillary's effort that. So perfect.

[truedelphi]

49. I love it!

And hopefully this is the last of the Nineteenth Century robber baron-style politicians that
we will have to deal with.

[MisterP]

24. they're putting all their effort into putting the thumb on the scale, and therefore can't realize

that what everyone's voting against is the *thumb on the scales*

[tblue37]

32. +1. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

57. ^^This!^^

Exactly.

[Recursion]

26. This is ultimately why I'm pessimistic about her chances in the general and leaning Sanders

She still operates at CNN pace rather than Twitter pace.

[billhicks76]

36. Chris Matthews Is Yesterday's News

Clinton is a certifiably losing candidate.

[jeff47]

68. Exactly. She's running a perfect campaign for 1996. (nt)

[Kokonoe]

40. Give Hillary a chance.

She has established front runner experience for the establishment.

Do you want to have new ideas? Hell No. Just build on the republican stonewall of 36 years.

It took all this work to get in this mess, let's not throw it all away with other ideas.

[Jack Rabbit]

44. +1

[truedelphi]

51. Heh Heh! n/t

[Babel_17]

41. It's the young voters who are involved that help keep things in check

Nobody likes it if the kids start to think the fix is in, and the adults are crooked. So the truth isn't getting publicly beaten about its ears, and is allowed to say its piece.

[Peregrine Took]

47. Even thinking of running a candidate against HRC was way too scary for many Congress people.

Lest the Clinton's find out about the stealth DC meetings.

[greymattermom]

48. Social isn't scary anymore

I'm old so I remember red baiting, but the Communists lost. Now, social just means social media, social security, just regular stuff. To young voter, socialism probably means someone who knows how to use a smart phone.

[m-lekktor]

50. Excellent post!

[bullwinkle428]

54. Social media as we know it didn't exist in the 90s. That's perhaps

the key reason why it's not working.

[cali]

58. Definitely a big factor

[Uncle Joe]

55. Remember when it was the 1990s!?

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[applegrove]

56. They need Carville and Begala. Carville especially. You gotta

have a dyslexic on your political team to do the big picture strategy.

[bigwillq]

59. I wish the Clintons would move to Mars

Lol

I've been "over them" since the 90s.