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Look at this picture of Mount Rushmore... (Original Post) AZ Progressive Feb 2016 OP
what does that mean? MariaThinks Feb 2016 #1
LOL nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #2
There would be no United States if these people thought like Hillary AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #9
Where are people coming up with this stuff? boston bean Feb 2016 #3
No Mt. Rushmore would be great. HERVEPA Feb 2016 #4
Yes. Perhaps instead, the native majesty of the Black Hills would not have been stolen LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #5
This. Nt NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23
Mount Rushmore without the dreams, the vision ... earthside Feb 2016 #6
so you're saying FDR celebrated the desecration of the Sioux's holy land... wyldwolf Feb 2016 #8
Go recommend to Hillary that she adopt that stand ... earthside Feb 2016 #12
So you're avoiding the question? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #14
Pres. Roosevelt can speak for himself. earthside Feb 2016 #17
So you're avoiding the question? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #18
You're one of those Hillarians that can't accept an answer ... earthside Feb 2016 #19
So you're avoiding the question? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #20
the Lakota Sioux consider Mt. Rushmore to be a desecration wyldwolf Feb 2016 #7
Women and African-Americans weren't even allowed to vote during these Presidents' terms. Metric System Feb 2016 #10
LOL!!!! zappaman Feb 2016 #11
all white and all men? stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #13
I visited Mount Rushmore 2 years ago, impressive but doc03 Feb 2016 #15
There would be 3 less slave owners and racists, for sure. Hoyt Feb 2016 #16
Always thought jehop61 Feb 2016 #21
This theme is simply untrue, repeating it over and over treestar Feb 2016 #22
Hillary: "We can only do what Paul Ryan lets us do." Sanders: "We can do what the people demand." Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #24

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
1. what does that mean?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016

honestly, Bernie is so likeable and so smart. Then I read stuff from his supporters ....

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
9. There would be no United States if these people thought like Hillary
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

America was built by bold leaders, and Hillary is not one. In fact she's the opposite, trying to destroy a bold leader with "no we can't."

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
3. Where are people coming up with this stuff?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

Note that women werent allowed to vote when those men were presidents.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
5. Yes. Perhaps instead, the native majesty of the Black Hills would not have been stolen
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:39 PM
Feb 2016

and desecrated. And our Native peoples might have retained stewardship of their lands and become executors of their will. Perhaps thinking like a woman while they were relegated to being chatel and voteless, might have given these storied men a bit of pause to look deeper into the world about them and further enhance their legacies with a deeper compassion.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
6. Mount Rushmore without the dreams, the vision ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

... the boldness to take on great tasks.




President Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it; if it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something."


wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
8. so you're saying FDR celebrated the desecration of the Sioux's holy land...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

... and the US government's violation of their treaty?

earthside

(6,960 posts)
12. Go recommend to Hillary that she adopt that stand ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

... and go sell it to middle America.

If she were the nominee with that position it would be a 50 state landslide for the Repuglicans.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
17. Pres. Roosevelt can speak for himself.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

Franklin D. Roosevelt
Remarks at Mount Rushmore National Memorial.
August 30, 1936

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15109

I don't have any problem with Mount Rushmore.
Except I liked the old visitor center much more than the new one.

I'm also rather pleased by the Crazy Horse Memorial.
There was real progress being made on the sculpture when I was there a couple years ago.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
19. You're one of those Hillarians that can't accept an answer ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

... aren't you?

No matter how I or any person responds you just have to pick, pick, pick.

What do you want? A denunciation of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt?
You won't get that from me.



wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
7. the Lakota Sioux consider Mt. Rushmore to be a desecration
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

The Black Hills are sacred to the Lakota Sioux, and in the Treaty of 1868, the U.S. government promised the Sioux territory that included the Black Hills in perpetuity. Perpetuity lasted only until gold was found in the mountains and prospectors migrated there in the 1870s. The federal government then forced the Sioux to relinquish the Black Hills portion of their reservation.

Your OP doesn't surprise me, though. Bernie supporters are historically-challenged.

doc03

(35,338 posts)
15. I visited Mount Rushmore 2 years ago, impressive but
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

much more impressed with Crazy Horse. Unfortunately I will never live long enough to see it finished.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. This theme is simply untrue, repeating it over and over
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:28 PM
Feb 2016

does not make it true.

They did have to convince their fellow Americans to fight a war - they did that. They didn't sit around demanding it before that.

Nobody wants a Revolution or a Civil War right now. Not enough people want it. You have to convince them, not cry and blame Hillary.

Not going to happen - people are all talk now. They aren't going to upend the system.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
24. Hillary: "We can only do what Paul Ryan lets us do." Sanders: "We can do what the people demand."
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

The reason Obama was a rock star in the 2008 campaign and the first 18 months of his presidency, is that he campaigned to the people and he began running his administration through that direct link to the people.

This is what Teddy Roosevelt did, and what FDR did, and it was through the Kennedy family's direct contact with the people that allowed LBJ to pass the progressive JFK-LBJ legacy.

After a set back in 2010, Obama stopped governing to the people and began governing to Congress. This is where Obama stalled.

If Obama had kept campaigning from 2008 through 2016, he could have taken progressive legislative ideas directly to the public which overwhelmingly favors there ideas. This would put the Republicans in Congress in the position of (a) passing Obama's popular progressive platform or (2) defying the will of the voters. Either the platform gets passed or those who frustrate the will of the people face repercussions at the ballot box.

FDR's Congress didn't want to pass the New Deal either. Those "fireside chats" weren't because FDR was chatty by nature; they were campaigning for his agenda AFTER the election. FDR went AROUND Congress to the people who elect Congress and he made the electorate into a body capable of enforcing the will of the majority (instead of capitulating to the naysayers in Congress).

This is what the Sanders campaign is all about. It's not about Sanders; it's about transforming the electorate into a political body empowered to accomplish the goals that large majorities favor.

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