Allen West to Wife: Be my Porn Star!

[DonViejo]

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:47 PM - Edit history (1)

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A letter handwritten by West and addressed to his wife during his tour as Army lieutenant colonel in Iraq in 2003 could provide an insight.

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He humbly tells her that, although he doesn’t compare physically to the male models of the movie Soul Food, he will always do his best to always be “a clean cut, healthy and affectionate man!”

At other times, the Christian conservative tea party candidate – who’s running for a district that stretches along the coast from Palm Beach Gardens to Fort Pierce – gets a little more, shall we say, daring! The congressman proceeds tells his wife he expects certain intimate acts upon his return that will be “the standard and it is non-negotiable.”

He tells her: “From now on, you will wear two-piece swim suits when on vacations.” Then: “Angela, I need to know, are you committed to being my porn star? I do not want to hear ‘no’ or ‘we’ll see about that.’ I want my fantasies to be with you. God has authorized you and you only as my partner for intimacy and that is what I want.” And he signs off: “Get ready!”

Allen didn’t comment on the letter. Angela didn’t respond to a message left on her voice mail.

read more:
http://gossipextra.com/2012/09/27/allen-west-wife-porn-star-1867/

[Turbineguy]

1. Oh dear......

He forgot to include something about diapers or having sex with underage boys. This will not do!

[lillypaddle]

2. So?

I can't stand West, but what sexual fantasies go on between spouses or other committed couples are no one's business. The man was far from home and in Iraq, for pete's sake. I'm ashamed this was posted here.

[RevStPatrick]

3. I totally agree...

When I saw the headline, I assumed it was going to be something he said to or about her in public.
This is shameful and should be removed.

He might be an asshole, and the Iraq War might have been bullshit, but the man was serving his country, and this was a letter to his wife.

FAIL!!!

[tularetom]

27. He was 'serving his country' by abusing prisoners

so let's not make too big a deal of his service.

From Wikipedia:

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 2/20th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[11] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[12] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] Lieutenant Colonel West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[12] At his hearing, West pointed out that there were no further ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.

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[RevStPatrick]

56. Yes, of course. Like I said...

...he might be an asshole, and the Iraq War might've been bullshit.
I'm well aware of West's history.
But that doesn't mean that his wife deserves this kind of attention.

I'm certain that if it was a private letter between his congressional opponent and his wife, or someone else who was on "our side," you and I and everyone else here would be screaming and moaning about it.

Let's not act like hypocrites here, even though we've had so much practice...

[tularetom]

57. The difference is, if it was somebody on "our side"

it would be the topic du jour on every cable news station for a month. Every pundit and talking head in the free world would be pontificating and tsk tsking about this pervert who would send such a sick message to his wife.

Now, I don't give a rat's ass what Mr West and his wife do in the privacy of their own home. I don't even care what he and his dog do. And I know two wrongs don't make a right.

But unfortunately, this would be a big deal in the liberal media if a Democratic congressman were involved. If that is the standard, it should be just as big a deal for West.

Just trying to introduce a little fair and balanced thinking into the conversation.

[RevStPatrick]

58. I think you are mistaken in your premise.

I don't believe for a second that "the media" would say anything about this if it were a letter from a Democratic congressman to his wife. I think they would totally leave it alone, like they will leave this alone. Pundits have wives too, and do kinky things too. Granted, Republicans can do some pretty fucked up things with people other than their spouses, and the punditry tries very hard to ignore it. But I do think that any pundit that got between anyone, on either side, and their spouse would rightfully be destroyed. Gossip sites don't apply. That's where this trash came from.

Now, if it were a Democratic congressman and his dog, well... that would be a different thing...

[Tx4obama]

11. Clicking on the link in the OP shows that article is political

The OP article is about politics. The text below is the first few paragraphs of the article:

The way U.S. Rep. Allen West relates to women has become an issue in his election campaign against Democrat Patrick Murphy.

And Murphy’s been hammering away at GOPer West in TV commercials.

So far, they have included: West’s alleged opposition to basic health care for women; West’s contention that “all of these women that have been neutering American men and bringing us to the point of this incredible weakness;” and a depiction of West punching women in the face.

So, what’s really in Allen West’s mind when it comes to women?

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[grantcart]

12. I agree about the sex fantasies but this quote is something that is very disturbing.

I want my fantasies to be with you. God has authorized you and you only as my partner for intimacy and that is what I want.”

[lillypaddle]

15. Do you think

that people like him, and of his particular religious stripe, believe that marriage is a union before god, and therefore God "has authorized you and only you as my partner for intimacy?"

Look, Allen West is the last person in this world that I would want to defend for ANYTHING, but I think people are missing an important point. Sexual fantasies and sexual role playing, IF between consenting adults, is healthy and can be hopefully pleasurable. He told her he did not want to hear her say "no." But that doesn't mean he would tie her up and assault her against her wishes.

I find it strange that whenever heterosexual sex comes up, it's either nasty or sexist if it is at all outside the "norm."

Pretend it is someone other than Allen West. Joe is in Iraq, doesn't know if he will live or die, or ever see his wife again. He fantasizes about somewhat kinky sex with his wife, because it keeps the images of what he has seen in war at bay. He writes his wife a letter, sharing these thoughts with her, including her in his fantasies. Who knows if he will even act on them, when and IF he comes home alive, and in one piece.

I just don't think this is fair game.

[grantcart]

19. take out all of the sexual reference and West is saying that God has authorized his wife to be

subordinate to him.

This is a very common point of view to a very small minority of radical reactionary Christians, is consistent with the wider war on women and has nothing to do with the more inflamatory erotic points that you are focusing on, but justifies the whole 'men telling women' practice that expresses itself in a dozen political policies.

[lillypaddle]

21. Well, grantcart

I always like your posts, and have a great deal of respect for you. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Maybe I'm being too "generous" considering it's Allen West it's about. But human sexuality covers a wide range and scope, and sometimes people do things regarding fantasies & fetishes that have nothing to do with who they are in real life. Now I grant you, this particular person is suspect for a number of reasons, including the fact he is a politician, and you are absolutely correct that his policies have a wide and harmful effect on women.

But if it were just "Joe," would you feel the same?

[grantcart]

43. Yes because it is not about fetish but about believing that God defined specific sex roles.

If it was something that they were playing, then that would be fine. He is saying that she has to play the role not because she wants to but because God defined it and he is a man.

[OmahaBlueDog]

32. Grantcart, I agree with you like 99% of the time: Not here.

If he wants his wife to be his porn star; his "Delilah" to his "Sampson"; his "Jane" to his "Tarzan"' his "Isabella" to his "Phineas"; his "Linda Lovelace" to his "John Holmes" -- that's between them. If he's out on the campaing trail, suggesting that every woman submit unconditionally to her husband, I'll agree there's an issue. This is all coming out of the context of a letter between a man and his wife. You don't know them; you don't know what they are into; and what goes on between them is none of our business.

[grantcart]

44. But hes not saying that its between them

He's saying that God commands it and she must accept it.

Take out the erotic part and say it is about who does the dishes. He is saying that she has to accept what he wants because he has God on his side and he is a man.

If it were 'between them' I would be in total agreement. He is saying that God commands it and as a woman she has to accept it. It is that very specific use of God to define what the sexual roles should be and not making it between two consulting adults that makes it not just odd but a wider pattern of his demented thinking.

BTW thanks for the endorsement but I have to confess I don't think I agree with me 100% of the time.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Agreed. I don't see how this is any of our business. I don't like his attitude, but I didn't need

this letter to reaffirm that.

[lillypaddle]

5. You should delete

your disgusting post.

[DonViejo]

6. Don't like it? File a complaint, I'm not deleting it.

And here's more about his domineering ways, from Salon:

Tea Party Rep. Allen West has not held back his patriarchal views during his reelection bid. The Florida congressman said in April that supporters of Planned Parenthood and women’s rights activists were “neutering American men and bringing [them] to the point of this incredible weakness.”

read the full article:
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/01/weird_news_allen_wests_domineering_sex_letter/

[lillypaddle]

8. I did.

West is a radical, insane asshole. That's no excuse for you.

[left on green only]

7. Sorry it was more than you can handle. I sure don't want to offend you.

[SoapBox]

9. WTF????

Now I'm all about the nasty sometimes, but in this case, this weirdo is the total FREAK.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Ok.....so what?

It was a letter to his wife, and none of our business.

Call me when he's writing stuff to his favorite prostitute.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. he tells her "no" is not allowed

as she will perform as he wants her to.

I'd divorce him before he could turn around and spit

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

16. Good for you, but you aren't his wife

We don't have a clue whether or not she writes back in the same lewd fashion.

And again, it's none of our business.

[OmahaBlueDog]

20. +1

They're married. It's intimate correspondence. What they do in bed is their business. Leave it be.

[SoapBox]

23. but doesn't he portray himself as all Holy and Pious?

Doesn't seem to fit the so-called "image".

And does the Bible say that the wife must bow down before the husband...for kinky sex shit?

[OmahaBlueDog]

25. If a guy plays holier-than-thou, and then gets caught with a stripper to whom he is not married...

...I say flame away. That's fair game.

These two are married. What goes on in the marriage should stay in the marriage. If he wants to write kinky notes to his wife, and she's into that, who are we to judge. I don't even think the Pope objects to that, as long as they're wed.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

29. Also, if Alan West actually rapes his wife, and she presses charges....

....that is also public business....

Saying kinky crap to your wife/partner in private is not anyone's business unless they openly object and make it public.

[OmahaBlueDog]

30. There's been no actual suggestion she's been raped or that she intends to press charges

There's been the uncovering of a letter that we had no business reading between two married people. His wife is a smart woman. She strikes me as someone who could get help if she needed it.

Couples say stuff. Couples role play. Couples do dominant/submissive stuff. It's not our business.

There are about 1,000 other reasons West is a tea-party schmuck. Can't we talk about one of those, instead?

[SoapBox]

33. We can debate the other junk that makes him a Bagger Freak but

this thread from the OP is about his private sex life. Easy enough to start a thread talking about the "other" stuff.

But, no matter what, to me, for all his High Horse, Holy Preaching to America and being drummed out of the military for his bizarre behavior...this makes him look like a domineering male pig. This stuff in combination with other stuff, gives me the image of the total package.

It also appears that there is a difference of opinion in the replies, by what the males think and what the females think.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

36. Men sometimes say (and write) stupid shit

And they get smacked down for it. In this case, maybe when he got home or in her next letter.

Or maybe she doesn't care like you do. What that says about both of them, who knows?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. Totally agree

I'm simply pointing out that it is NOT okay to actually carry out submission fantasies on your wife if she's not interested, lest anyone try to come in and twist my previous statements into that.

[Heather MC]

14. That poor woman i bet she gets raped in the name of Jesus

every night. sadly I have several stories of husband's who use the Scripture to justify violating their wives

[DonViejo]

17. I once had a neighbor that flexed his superiority over his wife

in the same manner. All the neighbors were pretty happy and proud of her when she mustered the courage to take their two children and flee to a shelter.

[Heather MC]

22. My best friend was forced to have sex with her now exhusband while....

she was in active labor! sick right

[DonViejo]

24. YIKES!

[Heather MC]

39. Her sicko Ex is an extreme Christain Fundie devout Jerry Falweller, Republican

He was the first Republican I knew Personally and Christain Fundie.

You can imagine how that helped shaped my opinion of "Those people"

[MrSlayer]

26. Nothing wrong with that.

That's normal married behavior, isn't it?

[nobodyspecial]

31. Who are *you* married to?

He tells her: “From now on, you will wear two-piece swim suits when on vacations.” Then: “Angela, I need to know, are you committed to being my porn star? I do not want to hear ‘no’ or ‘we’ll see about that.’

So, it's perfectly acceptable for a man to control what a woman wears and how she dresses? And, she is not allowed to *ever* say no to sex or just not be unequivocal about rushing to bed with him?

I agree that this note should never have been released, but it sure says a whole lot about his views about women and their place in the world.

[SoapBox]

35. Super ditto!

And I would challenge any male posting on this and brushing the letters off as "personal" to,

just freak'n try that shit with most of your wives or partners.

I can lay odds, that many of you will get a swift kick in the nuts.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

38. You're making judgments about what two attached people converse about in private about sex

What if a candidate wrote his wife a private letter....or vice versa, that he/she enjoys giving or receiving anal sex with a strap on? Would you think it was cool for someone to reveal that like a blind item?

Anyhow, there are righties out there who would find that objectionable, and call him all sorts of names and say it proves this or that.....

They would be making judgments about a sexual act based on their own hang-ups. I'd find that puritanical.

This is no different.

I'd suggest anyone married to Allen West probably has issues. But that's their deal. Stop projecting your stuff on to them.

[SoapBox]

40. LOLOLOL!

"Stop projecting your stuff on to them. "

Kettle = Black

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. I don't think that cliche means, what you think it means...

But that fact you didn't respond to the rest tells me you know you're not right on this.

And by the by, it's not only men who think this way in this thread.

[SoapBox]

49. Uh....whatever.

I think West is a radicalized freak.

He tries to portray himself as righteous and holy.

He is one the best portraits of what I think has gone wrong with America.

He was drummed out of military service.

He would beat a bible in our faces.

He then shows us how he wants to dominate and dictate to his wife.

When he is in an elected political office, being paid my taxpayers, his life becomes an open book.

Period.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

51. "When he is in an elected political office, being paid my taxpayers, his life becomes an open book."

When you say this, you basically give carte blanche for any politician to have their trash rifled through and computers hacked to find anything to out their sexual peccadilloes. Including Democrats. And considering how good Republicans are at playing dirty, who do you think is going to win that battle?

[nobodyspecial]

45. I agree that this letter should not have been released

But, the point I was making was not about sexual practices. There are no judgements being made about sexual activities. I don't care if she likes to be chained up and have him howl at the moon.

But, try to understand what I am saying. It has *nothing* to do with sex. He is commanding her how to dress -- not for a sexual act -- but what she should wear out in public to the beach. Is it OK for men to tell their women what to wear? Is she not allowed as an adult to have freedom of choice in what she wears? So, today it is a bikini. Tomorrow, can he order her to only wear skirts below the knee? What about a burqa? Should a man be able to make his wife wear that?

And, she *must* submit to him without question? Is she not entitled to say no to sex -- no judgment on any practice -- but just on the act itself. Does she have no autonomy over her own body? What if she really feels, "Not tonight. I have a headache." What his letter says is, no, she doesn't have a choice. Is this really acceptable to you?

So, no, I'm not talking about sexual practices. I'm talking about what this reveals about his view of women.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

47. So, why hasn't she left him?

If she was as offended as you think she she should be, why hasn't she divorced him? This letter was apparently written in 2004.

So we can assume, then, that he came home had has way with her. And she apparently has no public objection.

Ultimately, it still comes down to a private communique between two lovers. Unless we see one of her letters to him (don't care to)....we don't know what her part is in this. Whether I think it's acceptable is irrelevant. To advocate otherwise means you are crossing into some territory that there should be some organization that steps in (like Child Protective Services) and investigates this stuff.

[pipi_k]

59. Maybe it's a big part

of role playing games they do with each other.

I can't say for sure whether it is, but neither can anyone say for sure whether it isn't.

Their sex life, whatever it is, is between two adults. It's nobody else's business.

[bluerum]

28. This kind of stuff should really be between the people involved.

However, calling your wife a porn star is in my mind disrespectful and demeaning. Having a communicative sexual relationship is one thing, exploiting your mate for your own pleasure seems unhealthy. And invoking your religion to use as leverage and coercion is just immoral.

[WeekendWarrior]

37. Really?

Who the hell cares about a letter he wrote to his wife. It's none of our business.

Jesus, I hate this kind of nonsense.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. He's no Bill O'Reilly that's for sure. He could have at least told her he'd dip her in hummus. nt

[Beacool]

46. Oh boy, how low have we become.

West may be a RW nut, but a private letter written to his wife should not have been made public. I'm not going to comment on its content as it is no one's business to have read it in the first place.

This is scraping the bottom of the barrel, disgusting..........

[Avalux]

48. Ewwww......I just threw up a little in my mouth. n/t

[tjdee]

50. This is a personal letter, and the reason good people don't get into politics.

I think dude is a jerk generally--however, it's not like this was a letter to his 20 year old mistress.this is a private letter from a man to his wife.

I'm sure someone going through emails can find a lot of "strange" things in anyone's convos with their spouses. I would be horrified if letters between me and my boyfriend were made public. So many people who would be great public servants stay out of politics because of stuff like this.

I'm all for exploring someone's character through personal stories or whatever, are we going to really start asking candidates about sex with their spouses? "Do you want your wife to be your a)sex slave or b)virginal goddess?"

[MotherPetrie]

53. ITA. It's an egregious invasion of his and his wife's privacy

And I say this as someone who loathes Allen West.
If his wife didn't like how he communicated with her, she could have left him. That was between them.
It should NOT be for public slobbering over.

[JI7]

52. i really wish i never knew about this

[NCLefty]

54. Gossip Extra?

Don't we have enough legitimate stuff to hit this guy for?

[Daniel537]

55. This is a guy who believes the govt. should intrude into peoples bedrooms and personal choices

so as such i have no problem with us having an insight into what he does in his own personal life. No sympathy here. He's a one-man smear machine himself, and lets not forget that.