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KauaiK

(544 posts)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:47 PM Oct 2012

Source: TPM reporting that polls are narrowing

....two surveys released Monday showed the race reverting to the neck-and-neck status

- snip -

New numbers from ABC News and the Washington Post showed Obama with a 49 percent to 47 percent lead over Republican nominee Mitt Romney among likely voters, and another poll from Politico and George Washington University (GWU) produced the same result.

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Source: TPM reporting that polls are narrowing (Original Post) KauaiK Oct 2012 OP
Yeah, sure... rfranklin Oct 2012 #1
Check the polls for the last 2 months, Mitt gets above 47% only twice. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #2
Narrowing? brush Oct 2012 #3
Rass. has Obama up 2, and Gallup has Obama up 4. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #4
noooooooooo grasswire Oct 2012 #5
Please, no paranoia. Just donate, call, and canvass, and bring a friend. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #7
CNN has Obama up by 3 WI_DEM Oct 2012 #6
every single poll shows Obama with over 300 electoral votes graham4anything Oct 2012 #8
Thank You! Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #12
Source: The same polls which have it narrow nationally have it widening in battleground states. nt jenmito Oct 2012 #9
Exactly fugop Oct 2012 #10
Probably. National polling doesn't matter. It's the swing state polling that matters. n/t jenmito Oct 2012 #15
it is going to happen Cosmocat Oct 2012 #11
They are just "unskewing" their polls at the request of the GOP budkin Oct 2012 #13
Every single poll this week has Obama up by between 2 and 4. Mass Oct 2012 #14
In other words, keep reading TPM, every hour on the hour lol grantcart Oct 2012 #16
silly Repigs! MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #17
A little bit concerning courseofhistory Oct 2012 #18
The chances of him losing Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and NH are slim to none davidpdx Oct 2012 #20
given that Romney's campaign has done nothing lately but faceplants... renate Oct 2012 #19
You all need to stop living and dying by polls davidn3600 Oct 2012 #21
Why are national polls worth diddly in this election? LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #22

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
2. Check the polls for the last 2 months, Mitt gets above 47% only twice.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:48 PM
Oct 2012

Obama is above 47% around 30 times or more in that same period.

This is for all national polls as gathered by realclear.

brush

(53,782 posts)
3. Narrowing?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:50 PM
Oct 2012

The President's lead in the battleground states are what's most important. He's got a lead in all of them, and in some it's close to 10 points. Romney has to win all of the battleground states, which is a very, very long shot. I don't think it will happen.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
8. every single poll shows Obama with over 300 electoral votes
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:20 PM
Oct 2012

national vote is not important

Obama can lose wyoming 100percent to zero and win NY by one vote

the electoral votes is all that matters.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
12. Thank You!
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:51 PM
Oct 2012

The popular vote does not elect the President, the Electoral College does. The popular vote is only important if it supports the M$M meme that this election is a real "down to the wire" "horse race" - That meme does more to drive up the cost of political advertising and viewership of political talking heads TV programs than providing any real substantial news.

There is a reason the vast majority of Americans no longer trust the M$M to deliver honest and unbiased news - shit like this is just one example.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
10. Exactly
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:40 PM
Oct 2012

I suspect it's that 40-point deficit Obama is battling in the handful of crazy red states. We shall see.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
11. it is going to happen
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:51 PM
Oct 2012

A significant positive event (the dem convention) bumped it up positively a bit, and it started to dip a bit. A major Romney gaffe (47%) built on the remnants of the convention boost. There was always likely to be a bit of a draw back.

it isn't like it was going to keep growing at the same rate and BO win 95% to 5%.

Just keep plugging.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
14. Every single poll this week has Obama up by between 2 and 4.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:10 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Obviously, we would like Obama to be up by 10, but even though it is a close race, Obama is still up. Even Rasmussen has Obama up by 3.

Also, what is the source you are quoting. The polls are there for everybody to see. Just go and look by yourself.

courseofhistory

(801 posts)
18. A little bit concerning
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:45 AM
Oct 2012

He still gives Obama great odds but he has reduced the percentage by some tenths of a point. Also, Romney is now ahead in NC by a very slight margin so it's rated a tossup again by many organizations. RCP average has gone down 2 days in a row from 4.1 to a current 3.5. The popular vote poll percentage has increased, however to 52.1% vs. 46.6% for Romeny. This bothers me. I'll have to read more of this article and tomorrow's to see what the reasons are for the decrease in odds (very small though) and the increase in the National vote. It may be in the rest of the article which I'm too tired to read right now.

What do others think?

October 1, 2012

New Polls Raise Chance of Electoral College Tie

By NATE SILVER

As of Monday’s FiveThirtyEight forecast, there were 21 states that Barack Obama was projected to have at least an 85 percent chance of winning on Nov. 6. The list includes three important states, Ohio, Wisconsin and New Hampshire, where Mr. Obama’s polling has improved by an especially clear margin since the Democratic convention. It did not include several others, however, where he is favored, but less definitively so, such as Virginia, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado and Florida.

If Mr. Obama’s overall standing holds in its current position, he should have no trouble winning some of those states, perhaps along with others like North Carolina. But suppose there is a deterioration in his polls between now and Nov. 6 — or that the polls have overestimated his standing across the board. And so Mr. Obama wins the states where he has at least an 85 percent chance of victory in the forecast, but no others. Then we’d be left with the following map:

Go to link to see map and read the rest of the article!

If you add up the electoral votes in that case, they come out to Obama 269, Romney 269: an exact Electoral College tie. The election would then be thrown to the House of Representatives, which would cast votes based on the provisions of the 12th Amendment.


[link:http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/|

This is the map referred to and the probablilty chart still looks really good for Obama (on the right).

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davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. The chances of him losing Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and NH are slim to none
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:07 AM
Oct 2012

At the very worst he'd pick up two of the six if something caused him to tank (crosses fingers). In that map the only swing states they have Obama winning are Colorado, Virginia and (depending on your opinion whether it is a swing state, which I think it isn't) Wisconsin.

renate

(13,776 posts)
19. given that Romney's campaign has done nothing lately but faceplants...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:21 AM
Oct 2012

... I'm guessing that if these numbers are even real they reflect some kind of sampling glitch than an actual tightening of the race.

If Romney had had an awesome day lately and Obama had had a bad one, I'd be a teeny bit concerned, but with Romney's campaign being so breathtakingly bad, it's pretty tempting to assume that there hasn't actually been a shift in mood.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. You all need to stop living and dying by polls
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:53 AM
Oct 2012

They are going to fluctuate.

And the reality is that we are a divided nation. Even if Romney's campaign crashes, 45% of this country will vote AGAINST Obama simply because they hate him for one reason or another.

Just hope for an electoral victory. A popular vote landslide that some here are hoping for would be extremely unlikely considering the political make-up of this country. In fact its possible Obama could lose the popular vote. None of the big polling outfits are giving him over 50% even with a bumbling Romney campaign.

LiberalFighter

(50,938 posts)
22. Why are national polls worth diddly in this election?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:59 AM
Oct 2012

They aren't!

What matters are the numbers for each state and their electoral votes.

Oklahoma could 80% Rmoney and the rest of the states 60% for Obama. I go with that because Oklahoma doesn't have very many votes.

It's just like looking at the map and seeing them colored in for the expected winner. And then going oh no because it looks so red. Only because most of the states are much smaller in population.

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