So this new meme... "The Not Hillary Party"

[cui bono]

What does it mean? Why did it start after the virtual dead heat Iowa primary? What do Hillary supporters hope to gain from this?

Hillary supporters, please weigh in. I don't understand this or its purpose.

.

[cui bono]

3. I would really like to know what they hope to accomplish by using it.

I hope some of the ones who use it can explain.

.

[liberal N proud]

2. You calling it a meme is the first I have heard of it

So where did you get it?

More made up propaganda?

[cui bono]

5. I've seen it in a graphic and used in posts. Just saw it today.

Why do you think I made it up?

.

[liberal N proud]

7. I see no evidence, no link

So how do I know?

[cui bono]

9. Well you needn't have asked in such an accusatory manner then.

I'll find a link to the graphic... as to the posts, well, I could get a hide for it, but maybe I'll just take a pic without showing the user name, would that suffice?

.

[liberal N proud]

23. If it's on DU, then just link to the thread

Or is it bogus there too?

[cui bono]

25. Do you need a cup of coffee? You're awfully grumpy.

Here is a link to an OP that has the graphic, kindly supplied by the OP downthread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511123442

I've seen posts where Hillary supporters are saying "The Not Hillary" party this morning and yesterday. I'm just wondering what they mean and what they hope to accomplish by using it?

.

[liberal N proud]

34. Doesn't look like anything coming from Hillary supporter

In fact there are several posts on the thread that would indicate that.

All you have to do is back up your memes! If it's valid then its valid but just posing "memes" (your words) is BS.

[RobertEarl]

45. There is the H party

The H party are the establishment Dems who are for H and against anyone else.

Then there is the Not H party which would be 90% mol of the rest of the world.

[cui bono]

46. Hillary supporters are the ones posting the words, so there's that.

Who do you think is posting that? The GOP? Read this thread, people have seen the graphic in multiple posts and have seen the words.

So what do you think it means then? Why would someone post that?

.

[liberal N proud]

47. Here we go again...

As above, where are you seeing that?

All I have seen it is all coming from Bernie fanatics.

[cui bono]

57. Why would Berners say "Not Hillary Party"?

What does it mean?

.

[firebrand80]

6. Same here nt

[LannyDeVaney]

39. Yes, made up propaganda ...

just more whining, complaining ... it's all they got.

[senz]

49. I've seen it over and over again here on DU.

And yes, it does seem to be fairly recent.

[liberal N proud]

50. But who is posting it?

What I was led to appeared to be a Bernie supporter.

I don't see where the claim it is from Hillary supporters comes from. Nothing but I have seen it and insinuating

[senz]

51. It was always said by Hillary supporters

and it always annoyed me.

[liberal N proud]

53. See that all anyone can offer accusations

No evidence

[senz]

54. That's not an "accusation." It's an honest answer to your question.

If I'd foreseen that it would be brought up and examined on the board I might have noted every time anyone used it.

Why are you being so defensive? This isn't a court room.

[MineralMan]

4. I thought we already had that. They're called Republicans.

They've been the "Not Hillary Party" for years.

[cui bono]

8. But it's being used to describe Bernie supporters.

So what does that mean? Does it mean there is a Hillary Party? I don't get it. I hope someone can tell me the reason for using it.

.

[bettyellen]

10. Perhaps it is "being used" against the many who have said "not Hillary"?

Which probably happens more on the net than in real life. I hate memes myself.

[MineralMan]

11. Not by me it's not.

There certainly is a "Not Hillary Party" though. It's important that we not let that party override the Democratic Party, I think. That's always the battle in this country.

I don't do temporary memes. I take a longer view of things.

[cui bono]

26. I appreciate that you're not using it. It just started popping up since Iowa.

Weird.

.

[MineralMan]

30. I just don't do bandwagon things.

I have my preference, but mostly, I try to explain the structure of how the election process works in some detail. There are lots of people who don't really understand how the system operates, especially with regard to primaries, caucuses and delegate selection for the national convention.

I'm completely comfortable with people making whatever choices they want to make. In the end, the people will decide which nominee they prefer, and that's just fine with me. I'll be supporting whoever that is after the convention. So, I'm not really about attacking anyone who might be our nominee.

I'll leave that to others.

[AgingAmerican]

31. Then you should know that the other party has been allowed to override the Democratic party

Encouraged even. By the likes of the Third Way®, Barack Obama, etc.

Things like sequestration, etc. Hillary states she wants to continue it, in the name of 'pragmatism'.

[MineralMan]

33. I know many things.

Thanks for your concern about my knowledge.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Well, that was a profound rebuttle

[MineralMan]

37. Why, thank you!

High praise indeed...I just love that word. It's so...something. I once dreamed of a career as a butler.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. The "likes" of Barack Obama? What in the world does that mean?

[AgingAmerican]

55. Grand bargains and sequestration

[Jackie Wilson Said]

58. So you just dismiss all the great stuff he has done. How sad.

[AgingAmerican]

59. The good things he has done

Dont cancel out the right wing damage caused by his dealings with the GOP

[emulatorloo]

18. Probably a delayed response to the 'Not Ready For Hillary' meme that was popular here

At any rate I have only seen one or two people post it. It is dumb, so I don't worry about it.

[ErisDiscordia]

22. DUzy!

[JonLeibowitz]

12. See also my thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511123442

Thanks for bringing this up, cui bono.

[SheenaR]

17. Thanks Jon

I noted below. How is anyone in this thread pretending like they didn't know this existed

[cui bono]

24. Thanks. I will give this link to the oh so pleasant poster above.

.

[whatchamacallit]

13. I'm a proud member

[Avalux]

14. To me, it means they don't want the support of Bernie peeps if Hillary is the nominee. n/t

[SheenaR]

15. Why are people playing dumb here?

There were multiple people dropping a huge "Not Hillary Party" picture in threads sarcastically to tout the HUGE win in Iowa. How could anyone have not seen it

[stonecutter357]

16. we call them RepubliCONs.

So Don't BernieBro Me.

[cui bono]

27. How many times have you used the term "BernieBro" lately?

Every post I've noticed from you has it in there.

What do you hope to accomplish by using it? You realize it's an intentional slur, right?

.

[stonecutter357]

40. Just added it to my sig line so.....

[cui bono]

41. So what are you hoping to accomplish with that?

.

[blackspade]

19. I haven't seen that one yet....

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Edit: Now I have.....

[earthside]

20. That would be the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

Because the pro-Hillary party is arguably not very progressive.

Thus: the Not Hillary Party are genuine progressives in the Democratic Party who are not supporting Wall Streets' darling, Hillary Clinton.

After all the news about her Bain fundraiser and all the hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars going to Clinton from the banksters, well, the Clintons are being clearly portrayed as Wall Street greed enablers.

Clinton blasts Wall Street, but still draws millions in contributions
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-blasts-wall-street-but-still-draws-millions-in-contributions/ar-BBp8epT?ocid=spartandhp#image=AAb0wos|17

I worked on Wall Street. I am skeptical Hillary Clinton will rein it in
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/28/hillary-clinton-wall-street-bailout

Clinton postpones another financial-services fundraiser
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-postpones-fundraiser-financial-services-218708#ixzz3zAA1rv16

[Sienna86]

21. Agreed. nt

[Maedhros]

28. It fits with the Democratic Party zeitgeist.

We are constantly reminded that a Republican Presidency would be a disaster and therefore we must vote for Hillary even though we despise her policies, just to keep the Republicans out of the White House. In essence, we must be the Not Republican Party. We've arrived at this sad state of affairs because the Democratic Party establishment is bereft of any new ideas and has nothing proactive to offer to voters. All they can come up with is "the other guys are horrible!" Evidence of this is on every single liberal-leaning site on the Internet: the majority of front-page posts just mock Republican politicians or conservative pundits, and precious few talk about Democratic politicians and their ideas.

It is no wonder that Hillary supporters would project this behavior onto Sanders supporters. They see us as left-wing cranks that simply detest Hillary for personal reasons, and therefore we'll vote for anyone but Hillary with no regard for policy or platform.

[nolabels]

42. With that last idea in hand, then by logic, even a vote for republicans would be better

The idea of getting a toe hold, someway to wedge an idea in and expand on it would seem to be the thinking.

The idea of the separation of the people supporting the candidate from the candidate themselves gives greater latitude to attack the supporters without debating any of the sticky issues that are with great effort trying to be avoided.

The big problem is a contributor base of over three million, perhaps like many other things, they haven't quite thought everything through too thoroughly

[Binkie The Clown]

29. Those words are in wrong order. s/b: "Not the Hillary party".

Some people need to reminded that the party does not belong exclusively to her and her minions. This is "Not the Hillary party".

[Bjornsdotter]

32. I am embracing it!

See signature line.

[Renew Deal]

38. You know what it means

[cui bono]

43. I know what it *could* mean.

But I don't want to assume so I'm asking for clarification.

You seem to know, so what does it mean and what is it's purpose? What is the intended result from using that term?

.

[H2O Man]

44. Recommended.

I've noticed it a few times today, too.

Applying labels such as this is merely an attempt to depersonalize and marginalize those with different opinions. Such behavior has a long and rather unattractive history in our country.

[senz]

48. They think a rich, powerful, corrupt elitist owns the Democratic Party.

They are mistaken in this assumption.

[MisterP]

56. three parties--Republican, Democrat, Clinton

[arcane1]

60. It's desperate petulance, nothing more n/t