I don't need the lectures, thank you, on how to be a progressive

[riversedge]

Bingo!!!


Connie Schultz ?@ConnieSchultz 1h1 hour ago

I don't need the lectures, thank you, on how to be a progressive. http://www.nationalmemo.com/this-progressive-doesnt-need-your-lectures/ … via @NationalMemo #Hillary


Connie Schultz

February 4, 2016 11:10 am


This Progressive Doesn’t Need Your Lectures


Have I mentioned lately how much I’m enjoying the lectures from self-avowed liberals who insist my respect for Hillary Clinton is proof that I am not a “real progressive”?

I haven’t had this much fun since I had my sinuses packed with 40 miles of gauze after polyp surgery.

It’s not just men — my sisters, you disappoint me — but it’s particularly entertaining when the reprimands come from young white men who were still braying for their blankies when I started getting paid to give my opinion. They popped out special, I guess.

I became a columnist in the fall of 2002. Immediately, I found myself on the receiving end of right-wing vitriol so vile it made “The Sopranos” cuddly by comparison. My first death threats came within weeks, after I wrote that the Confederate flag should be retired. After I supported stronger gun control measures, an NRA zealot posted on a gun blog what he thought was my home address and identified me as “unarmed.” I was a single mother at the time. I bought new locks and kept writing.

But by all means, do tell me what I don’t understand about being a progressive.

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What does any of this have to do with why I admire Hillary Clinton? Nothing. But it has everything to do with why I don’t need any lecture from somebody who thinks he or she is going to tell me who I am because I do.

One of the hallmarks of a progressive is a willingness to challenge a power structure that leaves too many people looking up and seeing the bottom of a boot. I want power for the people who don’t have it. And for the rest of my conscious days, I will do my small part to help get it. I love it when detractors describe Clinton as too angry and not “warm and fuzzy” enough. I want a leader, not a Pooh Bear.

I don’t want to diminish anyone who supports Bernie Sanders. I’m married to Sanders’ colleague, Sen. Sherrod Brown, which is how I’ve gotten to know him over the last 10 years. He’s a good man.

If you support Sanders in this Democratic presidential primary, I don’t assume that you hate women.

See how that works?

But if you tell me that, should Sanders lose, you won’t vote for Hillary Clinton, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way.

There is so much at stake here. The fight for women’s reproductive rights is not a sporting event. Our cities are rife with racial tensions, and too many of us white Americans fail to see this as our problem, too. The Affordable Care Act is not enough, but it is the first fragile step toward universal health care. It is already saving lives of people who had nothing — no health care, no safety net, nothing — before it passed.
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If you would sacrifice those who need us most because you didn’t get your way, then please, save me your lectures and get out of my way.

Connie Schultz is a Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist and professional in residence at Kent State University’s school of journalism. She is the author of two books, including “…and His Lovely Wife,” which chronicled the successful race of her husband, Sherrod Brown, for the U.S. Senate. To find out more about Connie Schultz ([e-mail]) and read her past columns, please visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.




Photo: Hillary Clinton speaks at a Grassroots Organizing Event at Mountain View College in Dallas, Texas November 17, 2015. REUTERS/Mike Stone

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R!

[hamsterjill]

2. +1000

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Thanks for posting./nt

[Lucinda]

4. knr

[bigtree]

5. k&r

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Sanders and his fanatics seem to be doing a good amount of lecturing to everyone...

Women, blacks, progressives...anyone who doesn't "see the light" and worship him.

It's turning someone like me, a Sanders support who is black, all the way off.

I'm at the point now where I won't be voting for Sanders or HRC.

[mhatrw]

85. +every Clinton supporter in the world

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140288

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

99. Neither candidate is my cup of tea.

[brush]

89. I'm still planning on voting for Sanders but I urge you to pls vote for the Dem nominee . . .

whoever it is.

And I have a worry even about Sanders' appointees.

I sure don't want any of these over-zealous Bernie Bros who bash anyone who doesn't share their worship of him, in official positions.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

96. I doubt anyone on DU will be in that position

[brush]

101. The Bernie Bros are not just on DU.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Neither are the Wickersham Bros.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

102. If elected, I'll give President Sanders less than a month before his worshippers become

disillusioned with their dear leader because he realizes that he will be forced to work with moderate and conservative Democrats, as well as the Republicans.

I will be watching them throw the President under the bus when they realize that he has to compromise in order to get anything done, just like they did to President Obama.

I'll have to think about voting for Sanders, though. I don't agree with every policy position, but he's better than HRC.

Honestly, neither candidate does it for me.

[Warren DeMontague]

118. It'll be much more fun watching Hillary "work with" the GOP congress as they immediately begin

investigating her.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

128. And you think they'll be nice and chummy with Sanders? Please get your head out of the sand.

[Warren DeMontague]

133. And you think.... followed by something I never said I think

Ah, DU. So much fun, bad logic internet arguments stuck on fucking repeat year after year.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. You should put "bernie bro" in your posts more.

Every time you say it, an angel gets his wings.

[brush]

115. Translate pls.

[Warren DeMontague]

116. It's Berniebro code, bro

If you have to berniebroask, you'll never berniebroknow.

[brush]

124. You mean like this guy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1140171

No thanks, not trying to be one.

I'm voting for Sanders despite the over-the-top and off-putting antics of some of his supporters.

[Warren DeMontague]

132. Sure, and I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.... despite the late Harriet Christian, too.

Remember her?

[brush]

134. So you're associating the Berniebros with her?

Okay . . . if that what you want to do.

[Warren DeMontague]

135. Like I said, keep saying "berniebro"

you might even get the high score!

[brush]

136. Or worst yet, associating with the guy in the video.

[Warren DeMontague]

137. you'll have to catch up with him, first!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

94. Good for you!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

100. I agree. It's great for me!

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. Yeah no people who go for TPP KXL PNTR NAFTA and WAR etc don't deserve our support

Sorry for the alphabet soup.

Nobody questioned Connie Shultz or her cred. Or her husband.

It's Hillary Clinton who has to justify her positions on those ISSUES.

Having friends with good political records on these issues is not the same as having a good record yourself.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Yeah, who says war and plutocracy aren't progressive?!?

[bkkyosemite]

9. This whole progressive thing started with the words coming out of

Hillary's own mouth in Sept 2015. Moderate...middle....Moderate.....that is what started this whole thing........and the 180 on Bernie is ridiculous.

[riversedge]

95. No, she was asked way back in 2007 -or 08 --and the media and others had fun

knocking her. Same old crap goes around.

[AtomicKitten]

141. Nope, it's a recent flippety-flop; she brought this on all by herself.

[TCJ70]

11. It's a good thing no one is being lectured about how to be progressive...

...it's also a good thing that someone is questioning Clinton's commitment to progressive causes as history and past statements are cause for concern.

[riversedge]

16. Sanders purity test on what it means to be progressive is the lecture. Now you got the point.

[TCJ70]

40. Just curious...

...what is a progressive to you? I saw it defined earlier as someone who embraces progress. Well, according to that definition, Ted Cruz is a progressive as he wants to progress towards a theocracy. That may not be your definition but that's part of the frustrating nature of the term, everyone can define it a different way.

My definition tends to line up with Sanders' more than Hillary's, particularly considering the way his campaign is being run and funded. He's walking the walk.

Oh, and as for purity tests, everyone has them no matter who you are. Bernie, for whatever reason, hasn't passed yours, but Hillary has. It's not necessarily a bad thing, just points out differences between the candidates.

[riversedge]

46. Bernie tweeted out a long list of what it means to be a progressive yesterday--a purity litmus

test. If you do not fit--then it is the highway for you. YUP

[Javaman]

62. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511105519

[hobbit709]

12. And I don't need lectures on how to be a Democrat. That works both ways.

[riversedge]

25. If you are not one of those who

have said they will not vote if Hillary is the nominee, then ignore it.


......But if you tell me that, should Sanders lose, you won’t vote for Hillary Clinton, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way......

[blackspade]

38. So it's fine for you to lecture the rest of us about how to vote now?

I personally plan to vote for the Democratic candidate next November even if it is a corporate owned third wayer like HRC.
She is still better that any of the Repubs.

I would however much rather vote for someone who exemplifies most of my progressive values than someone who's platform consists of "nope, won't even try."

So how about you? Are you in the Sanders is not a real Democrat camp? Or are you going to bite you tongue and vote for a Democratic Socialist in November if he wins? Because if you won’t, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way......

[riversedge]

44. I have said this before. I will vote for Sanders if he is the nominee. I am a Democrat--and

always have been.

[blackspade]

48. So, we can dispense with the lecturing then?

Because the bulk of the rest of us are too.
Thanks.

[riversedge]

50. I am not the one making pronouncements on what it is to be a Progressive

[blackspade]

67. Then what was the point of the OP?

Is Ms. Schultz (and you by posting the OP) not lecturing Sanders supporters about what a progressive is?

[navarth]

71. + a good bunch.

[riversedge]

106. Sanders started the lecturing by posting several tweets yesterday --defining what it means to

be progressive. Take your complaints up with him.

[blackspade]

108. I'm asking about your lecturing, not his.

But, what ever....

[DrDan]

13. bravo

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:02 PM - Edit history (1)

assuming ownership of who deserves the "progressive" label is simply presumptuous

[ErisDiscordia]

14. Well, isn't that special

We'll have to set up a whole new planet for this exemplary woman...too bad we don't have enough money for an atmosphere.

[riversedge]

15. Your rude comment only illustrates one of the points she was making.

[ErisDiscordia]

17. My comment is in exactly the same tone as her post. AND yours.

[riversedge]

27. Eyes rolling.

[leftofcool]

29. You should run right over to her Facebook page and express your outrage.

[ErisDiscordia]

34. My outrage is not with this woman, but with anyone who thinks she is relevant

and worthy of posting on DU.

And I think Face Book is the biggest waste of time and energy in the world, bar none.

[OilemFirchen]

51. Connie Schultz is one of the leading progressive voices in the country.

One thing which apparently was overlooked in Bernie Army Training Camp:

Choose your battles wisely.

[ErisDiscordia]

54. How nice for her

Too bad she doesn't act like it.

[OilemFirchen]

55. Second missed lesson:

Petulance is not a strategy.

[ErisDiscordia]

58. You don't have a clue, do you?

Petulance would mean I gave a damn, or you had some power in this argument.

I just really don't care about what you are selling. No Sale, Capisce?

[OilemFirchen]

72. Yowza!

You're a rollin' hoot, pal!

[SidDithers]

140. ...

Sid

[Recursion]

117. You realize that was literally a death threat, right?

I mean, not an especially practical or serious one, but you actually went immediately to a fantasy of asphyxiating her.

[ErisDiscordia]

122. I don't make threats

[Recursion]

123. But you literally just did. You said you wanted to send her to a planet with no atmosphere

In response to a post where Schultz literally wrote about the death threats she's received for being a progressive woman whose opinion rankled people.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. How to be a new progressive.

1. Oppose comprehensive universal public healthcare.

2. Oppose expanding universal public education from k-12 to k-16

3. Support the Security State.

4. Support war without end.

5. Oppose serious reform of our financial system.

6. Support the failed war on drugs and the school-to-prison pipeline.

7. Support trade agreements written in secret by the global corporations the agreements benefit until it becomes politically inexpedient to do so.

8. Claim to be an advocate for global action to avert climate disaster while championing a pipeline to expedite fossil fuel extraction.

9. Support encoding discrimination against LGBTQ people into federal law until it becomes safe to not do that.

And on and on and on.....

[riversedge]

28. Oh my--another label-->"new progressive" !!

[earthside]

30. Redefine 'progressive' ...

... to fit the conservatism of Hillary Clinton.

Problem solved and they can get all huffy and demand not to be 'lectured' to about what progressivism means now.

[monicaangela]

97. PERFECT!!

Nobody espousing those views could be either liberal, or progressive. That person fits more under the title servant for the republic or self serving citizen, or something along those lines. Moderate no, not even that, right wing, no not savage enough for that. I personally find it hard to classify that person.

[Armstead]

19. Why does the Clinton camnpaign bring out the worst in good people?

I like Connie Schultz. I will continue to like her.

But this arrogance and narrow mindedness and vitriol that she and others have been espousing to defend Clinton -- and the status quo -- is disturbing group-think.

Yes she might have been hit by some rude Sanders keyboard warriors. Maybe some people she has run across in real life.

But people like her -- of all people -- should be more understanding of the passion people feel about the suppression of progressiveness/liberalism by the likes of Clinton and the otehr corporate "centrists."

The Clintons are polarizing and sweep up everything in their path in their boundless ambition. To ther point where reasoned debates over this stuff becomes impossible.

I so hope the Clinton's have a long and lovely requirement on their rural estate in beautiful upstate Newe York real soon.

[Nitram]

24. Why does the Sanders campaign bring out the worst in good people?

I like Bernie and I will continue to like him. But the arrogance and narrow mindedness of Bernie supporters, and their polarizing and mean-spirited use of right wing slurs on Clinton has made reasoned discussion of issues and the two candidates very difficult. "Corporate centrists?" Get a life.

[Armstead]

32. I've got a life thank you. But I have been liostening to bullshiot like yours for decades

And the country is slipping into the status of a banana republic. And it doesnlt have to. But we keep hitting ourselves over the head with the same old hammer.

I believe we need to change that.

You want to call that arrogance and narrow-mindedness, feel free.

[Nitram]

45. I've been listening to BS about Clinton like your for decades.

From the right.

[ErisDiscordia]

57. When somebody like Hillary's supporters come along and say: "Let's you and him fight"

it is best to decline.

Let Hillary fight her own battles with her image.

[NurseJackie]

20. Brilliantly written!

[Andy823]

21. K&R

Those who keep using the "if you aren't for Bernie you are not a progressive, liberal, etc. meme should not be taken very seriously. A lot of people "claim" to be progressives, and liberals, but that really doesn't mean they are, and as Connie Shultz said:

"But if you tell me that, should Sanders lose, you won’t vote for Hillary Clinton, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way."

I too have a hard time believing those who make the claims they are "true" progressives, yet spew right wing talking points on a daily basis to try and destroy another candidate, and also claim they won't vote for Hillary if she wins.

[Goblinmonger]

35. So, I think the "meme" is

if you say that you are a moderate and are in the middle, then you probably don't want to start claiming you are always a progressive when it seems like being a progressive is getting someone ground.

[Andy823]

73. Hmmm

Not really sure what "getting someone ground" means.

So a person who is progressive can not also be moderate on some issues?

[Goblinmonger]

83. Nobody's saying it's a binary distinction.

A person who is moderate could also be progressive on some issues.

If a person a few months ago says they are moderate and in the center and then comes out and says they have always been progressive, what would be the normal conclusion if that person weren't the anointed one?

And "getting some ground" means that one has gone from basically 30 points behind to a virtual tie and one who is kicking the other's ass with those 40 and under.

[WiffenPoof]

138. Excellent Post

I completely agree. If you were to ask Hillary a year ago to identify her political gender, I don't think she would have said Progressive. But with the kind of success Bernie has realized, she is now trying to identify herself as progressive as anyone. I consider this to be less than genuine.

[Armstead]

37. Disagree. Fine. But at least get your insults correct

"Right wing talking points" is totally misleading. You want to argue about left wing talking points, then okay. At least that's honest.

[Andy823]

70. Ok how is this

Right wing talking points used by the left wing radicals. I guess that does sound better.

[A Simple Game]

93. Where do Hillary's supporters keep getting this "right wing talking points" from?

Let's look at some of Bernie's main points.

Replace the ACA with comprehensive universal public healthcare.
Is the right wing for universal healthcare now? News to me.

Free tuition for college.
Last I knew the right wing wanted to get rid of all public education.

Cut back on the NSA and other security organizations.
OK, the libertarian fringe on the right is opposed to the Security State but mainstream Republicans are all for it.

War as the last option.
Yeah, tell us how the Republicans hate wars, I could use the laugh.

Serious reform of our financial system.
So you think the right wing wants to break up big banks and reign in Wall Street?

End the war on drugs and corporate prisons.
End the war on drugs and take the profit out of prison? I don't think the right wing is advocating that, do you?

Against the TPP and other restrictive trade agreements.
Right wing is against the TPP and wants to dismantle NAFTA? Try again.

Expand Social Security.
I think the word normally used by the right wing is "enhance." Do you know what that even means? Cause I don't but I bet it isn't the same as expand.

Do you even think these things over before you repeat the talking point of the day or is it a copy and paste thing?
Thanks to Warren Stupidity for the list provided in post #18 that I used for reference.

[Nitram]

22. Yup.

Tired of wide-eyed St. Bernie supporters thinking they have a corner on the progressive market, and that they invented progressive politics.

[Goblinmonger]

36. Nobody thinks that.

Know who thinks Clinton is a moderate? Clinton.

[uponit7771]

119. Unnnn, Sanders thinks so... the back lash begins... HRC was 11th most liberal out of 50...

... that's not a bad number

[uponit7771]

121. +1

[Goblinmonger]

130. It's not a bad number. It's not #1, though.

When, exactly, did he say that?

[uponit7771]

131. When he constantly minimizes her leftest bonafides is when he says that... tonight he was confronted

... up front and she said if you have something to say ... just say it... he didn't

[Iliyah]

23. This is pissing off a lot of Dems

[blackspade]

26. This progressive doesn't need your lectures either.

[Lorien]

31. Reality check: "Progressive" DOES NOT mean destroying middle class, working people and the planet

for personal gain. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right
Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

[HassleCat]

33. So why is Connie Schultz a progressive?

She says she writes for a living, but she doesn't really explain what makes her a progressive. She takes a shot at young white men, then says she doesn't assume were against women if we support Sanders. I don't know about her writing in general, but this isn't clear at all.

[Armstead]

39. She's a progressive. But she is experiencing temporarty Clinton-itis

Anyone who dares to challenge Clinton or the Democrat status quo and the possibility of the Forst Woman President (TM) is automatically arrogant, a young Berniebro and all kinds of otehr unspeakable things.

Hopefully she'll return to being a human being when this is all over.

[shenmue]

59. Stay classy

[OilemFirchen]

41. How DARE she?

The nerve of this woman, speaking out of turn. Who does she think she is?

[bettyellen]

42. Looks like I just lost a good friend for calling her out over bringing up Vince Foster....

nice person otherwise. Was somehow also confused and said that I wasn't a regular voter when I have worked on dozens of campaigns and only missed about two school board elections since I was eighteen.

She has got total tunnel vision, and I really feel bad for her when she posts RW crap that no one seriously believes. But she could not handle being called on the Vince Foster stuff, and referred to our conversation last October as "a million years ago", and I am befuddled that she could be so emotional about bullshit. Very strange.

[zappaman]

109. At least we still have the group...

[bettyellen]

110. I'm writing a song about CTs in my former friends' honor....

she believes there is a serial killer in my town, that helps about one drunk coked out young man a year throw himself into the Hudson River, for kicks. Well, la dee da.

[zappaman]

111. A song?

I smell a mini-series!!!

I'd call it...THE PERFECT HOST.

[mcar]

43. Perfect!

Connie Schultz speaks for this progressive.

[handmade34]

81. ?

Sherrod Brown needs no lectures from any of us...

Brown, however, looks, sounds and acts like a real, as opposed to faculty club, leftist. Although he is a Yale graduate, he has the rumpled look and hoarse voice of someone who spent last night on Paris barricades, exhorting les miserables to chuck cobblestones at the forces defending property. And he is not just talk...
and he supports Hillary Clinton

[AtomicKitten]

86. ooops-wrong person

[QC]

49. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,

“it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

[ErisDiscordia]

61. Exactly

That's it in a nutshell, or rather, egg shell.

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.

All the King's horses and all the King's Men

Couldn't put Humpty together again."

[SunSeeker]

52. Another personal attack by Bernie "I'll Never Go Negative" Sanders.

Sanders has become the self-appointed gateeeper of who can call themselves a progressive. This is not "sticking to the issues."

[The Wielding Truth]

79. He is just after the true Hillary. She said herself in Sept. 2015 that she is a moderate.

If it's true, it's not a negative attack. Is it?

[SunSeeker]

103. Sanders is not addressing the issues when he makes an attack like that.

Certainly some of his past positions would not be considered progressive, like his 5 votes against the Brady Bill, or his vote for the Homeland Security Amendment legitimizing racist border militias.

Last night at the CNN Town Hall, Sanders claimed "you can't be both a moderate and a progressive." No progressive is a progressive on every issue, himself included. He should stick to the issues instead of arguing over labels.

[The Wielding Truth]

142. It is her own labeling that is in question. She said that if you think she is a moderate, she is.

She hasn't been known as a progressive until she had to convince Sanders supporters that she was just like him. She hasn't been just like him her whole career. She isn't bad but she is not as forthright, steadfast or clear on her positions as Sanders.

She has not labeled herself progressive until it was favorable to be considered that. I have always felt that Barack Obama was a centrist. It's our country that has been pulled to the right making him seem more liberal.

Hillary will be my choice before any Republican, but Bernie is my choice until he is out maneuvered. That my not happen, if we really want to return to a democracy where one person gets on vote and elections are not bought.

[zappaman]

112. Plenty here are self-appointed gatekeepers as well.

It's supeR ICKy.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. I think she might.

[SheenaR]

56. What you and others fail to understand...

is that the number of Bernie supporters here who won't vote for Hillary (even if it's a "hold your nose" and vote) is small. We will vote for her to keep the Republicans out and for me that is the only reason.

You know who won't come out? Young people and those who had previously been disenfranchised or have given up on this crooked system. THEY won't come out and Hillary very much NEEDS them.

What does she do to court them? As David Axelrod said, "talks about HER and not THEM"

Forget about calling us on here out re: progressive labels. Worry about how we will lose in November because she inspires virtually nobody on the outskirts of the political process. Her base will be solid. Our base isn't enough to win.

[TCJ70]

66. This is really it...

...I'll vote Dem in the GE. I won't vote for her except for the fact that she has a D by her name.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. After the loss of Dukakis the Dems bought into the LIE that the country had shifted to the Right...

The whole "This is a Center-Right Country" became common knowledge in the Beltway.

To them Liberalism was dead.

The Democratic Party went to school on right-wing politics and the DLC was born. They pummeled their liberal base with the two terms of Bill Clinton as an example of the success of their strategy.

Now we are supposed to FORGET the example of Obama and go back to the Right and call that "progress".

[stillwaiting]

64. I don't believe they bought into the lie. I believe they are pushing the lie.

I believe they just spread the propaganda that the corporatists that they serve want to have spread.

Bernie's strong showing against Republicans in polling in Iowa and New Hampshire (Battleground states) exposes the lie of the center-right nation that the Establishment continues to vomit on us.

We'll have to clean up a lot of the Democratic Party before they begin to serve us over corporate interests. They'll keep shouting us down until we throw them out and replace them.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

75. Some aren't even in it for the money either. They're proud to serve Wall Street.

[Gothmog]

63. I agree with the premise of the OP

[Cryptoad]

68. I know Progressives dont tax people living in poverty

[retrowire]

69. This is rude. nt

[Billsmile]

74. Calm Down & Get Real

The attitudes Schultz is railing against happen during primaries. They are normal. Get over it.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

[handmade34]

76. there is too much at stake...

should Sanders lose, you won’t vote for Hillary Clinton, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way

I will vote for whomever the Democratic candidate is in the Fall and I would hope that the rest of us will also...

[Bluenorthwest]

77. Sherrod made a good No vote on DOMA but he's still supported the very powers that did that to us.

I think he has good intentions and she probably does too although ironically, she tends to tell other people what they should think as if that was her right as virtually every professional opinion writer in politics does, that is the tone they are paid to deliver.

I don't much care for people who sermonize at me about groups of people they find fault with, particularly those who endorse the branch of the Party that spent so many years preaching sermons about the faults they find with LGBT and how their God agrees with them. That' why I'm not voting for Hillary. And sorry Connie but in my view those who look at a candidate with a history of opposing the rights of others and a candidate who has never objected to anyone having equal standing and your choice is the one who lectured against equality for a minority group I do not think of you as progressive but as regressive and also thoughtless.

[betsuni]

78. K&R!

[MariaThinks]

80. kick

[mhatrw]

82. And yet another Clinton supporter becomes a sad victim of a political disagreement!

How dare anyone disagree with my political views!

Sexists!

Racists!

Misogynists!

[daleanime]

84. Me? Lecture you?

Never ever.

[SoapBox]

87. Uh huh...

Next.

[RoccoR5955]

88. A progressive is not necessarily a liberal.

That is why we have Third way, so called progressives. These folks actually shun the title of Liberal.
Well, I, for one, am a Liberal. To quote an ACTUAL Liberal:
"If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.""
"Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. "

To read the whole thing, go here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/jfk-nyliberal/

[nyabingi]

90. People who are really progressive,

i.e., people who like Bernie Sanders and his "dreamy" ideals, aren't willing to stand by a see centrist/rightist/oppportunist Democrats bastardize and sully the term simply because they see that it sells politically right now.

Hillary is not fooling anyone with her self-labeling as a progressive - she's only demonstrating the fact that she really thinks we don't know any better and that is insulting.

Hillary thinks that real progressives are going to magically rally behind her if she wins the nomination, but she obviously didn't pay attention to what happened in the 2000 election.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

91. Voting for Hillary disqualifies you as a progressive.

And I'm deadly serious. Many people will die during a Clinton presidency than a Sanders admin.

[Recursion]

125. See, I'm leaning Sanders right now, but shit like this makes me want to vote Clinton just

to piss you off. Literally. I'm rational enough that I wouldn't actually let that sway me, but seriously you are literally giving me that urge when you say shit like that.

The majority of the Democratic party currently favors her, and stomping your feet and wailing that "if only they knew the truth!" or "if only they saw more of Sanders's speeches!" is infantile, almost as much as simply declaring that the party is "not really progressive like I am".

I think Clinton would be a marginally better President for the liberal agenda than Sanders, but I'm deeply concerned about her ability to run a national Presidential campaign and I think Sanders might be the lesser of two evils in that sense. This is not some act of self-expression or self-realization, this is trying to pick a firewall between the Republican Congress and my life.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

127. You do whatever you want to do. You won't piss me off.

[Empowerer]

129. Yes!ˆˆˆ

[guillaumeb]

104. HRC would be, will be, my second choice for President, but even my second choice is far

better than any GOP alternative. She is a good candidate, but in my opinion not the best candidate.

An excellent post.

[Beacool]

105. Bravo, very well said!!!!

"I don’t want to diminish anyone who supports Bernie Sanders. I’m married to Sanders’ colleague, Sen. Sherrod Brown, which is how I’ve gotten to know him over the last 10 years. He’s a good man.

If you support Sanders in this Democratic presidential primary, I don’t assume that you hate women.

See how that works?

But if you tell me that, should Sanders lose, you won’t vote for Hillary Clinton, then stop calling yourself a liberal or a progressive or anything other than someone invested in just getting your way."

Who died and left Sanders and his supporters to decide who is a true progressive????

The HELL with that!!!!

[valerief]

107. Hillary admits to being guilty of being a moderate/centrist.

[Warren DeMontague]

113. Yeah, well, with fifty years upon my head, I'm not a fucking "bro"

So there.

[ananda]

126. This proud liberal ..

.. doesn't think much of progressives who are
afraid to use the word liberal.

[leftynyc]

139. WOW - what a piece

who said, far more eloquently than I ever could, exactly what I've been battling all primary season here. Who the fuck are they to decide who is a progressive?