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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:34 PM Feb 2016

What is the voting system like in NH? Anyone know?

Is it taken on EVM's? If so, is there a paper trail, or are their tabulations pretty much unverifiable?

If they are EVM's, and are of they type able to be compromised, then I'm pretty sure they will be.

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What is the voting system like in NH? Anyone know? (Original Post) NorthCarolina Feb 2016 OP
Toothpicks Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
Why can't they be a part of the 20th century Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #3
First, you sacrifice a goat and read its entrails to find your voting location... jeff47 Feb 2016 #2
lol Renew Deal Feb 2016 #5
Candidates take shots of spiked apple cider bigwillq Feb 2016 #4
I thought it was Maple Syrup? Renew Deal Feb 2016 #7
I googled "state beverages" bigwillq Feb 2016 #10
You're right. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #12
"SPIKED apple cider"? surely you mean "apple cider": there is NO such thing as nonalcoholic cider MisterP Feb 2016 #25
Maple syrup matt819 Feb 2016 #6
It's more-or-less a regular election. Skinner Feb 2016 #8
New Hampshire uses paper, optical scanned ballots. MineralMan Feb 2016 #9
" Diebold Charged Over Bribery, Fraud, And "Worldwide Pattern Of Criminal Conduct" dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #16
Read Who Owns The Four Voting Machine Companies dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #17
Wife-carrying contests. Second round is lumberjack championships. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #11
Rock paper scissors. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #13
I keep on thinking a lot more disputes should be settled SheilaT Feb 2016 #18
We've upgraded systems... catnhatnh Feb 2016 #23
So you are accusing the New Hampshire Democratic Party of wanting to rig the vote, are you? brooklynite Feb 2016 #14
If you are asking me if I trust the establishment NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #19
You have to choose frazzled Feb 2016 #15
They stick pins in giant voodoo dolls of Hillary and Bernie emulatorloo Feb 2016 #20
Plain ol paper and pencil up here Tarc Feb 2016 #21
I read that some are paper but that begs the question: Who counts the votes? n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #22
Optical scanners for most Tarc Feb 2016 #24
Tablets of granite. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #26

Renew Deal

(81,860 posts)
1. Toothpicks
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

Everyone puts a toothpick in a basket and the person with the most wins. Ties are broken with a game of horseshoes.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
2. First, you sacrifice a goat and read its entrails to find your voting location...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

(just making a joke about how backward many of our election processes are)

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. "SPIKED apple cider"? surely you mean "apple cider": there is NO such thing as nonalcoholic cider
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:52 AM
Feb 2016

just bubbly apple juice

matt819

(10,749 posts)
6. Maple syrup
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

Our approach to limiting voting is requiring every voter to purchase a quart container of maple syrup in order to vote.

Or, in the real world, in small towns the vote is made - gasp! horrors! - on paper. I love paper votes. I'll defer to the voters in the larger towns and cities on their version of electronic voting.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
8. It's more-or-less a regular election.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

The votes are cast and then counted.

The only minor wrinkle is how the national convention delegates are assigned. They are awarded based on the vote in each of the state's two congressional districts -- 8 delegates per district, for a total of 16. So each candidate is awarded a proportion of the 8 delegates based on their proportion of the vote in that district. In practice this means that the percentage of delegates awarded to each candidate might be slightly different from their percentage of the statewide vote.

FWIW, I don't think people are going to be paying much attention to the delegates. Everyone will be focused on the percentage of the statewide vote.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. New Hampshire uses paper, optical scanned ballots.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016
https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_equipment_by_state

Those ballots are optically read by Accuvote readers. In the case of recounts, ballots are hand tallied.

http://sos.nh.gov/EBCD.aspx

I hope that answers your question.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. " Diebold Charged Over Bribery, Fraud, And "Worldwide Pattern Of Criminal Conduct"
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

Oct 30, 2013


One of the world’s largest ATM manufacturers and, formerly, one of the largest manufacturers of electronic voting systems, has been indicted by federal prosecutors for bribery and falsification of documents.

The charges represent only the latest in a long series of criminal and/or unethical misconduct by Diebold, Inc. and their executives over the past decade.
A U.S. Attorney says the latest charges are in response to “a worldwide pattern of criminal conduct” by the company…bribing government officials and falsifying documents in China, Indonesia and Russia to obtain and retain contracts to provide ATMs to banks in those countries.

In 2010 the company settled an SEC fraud suit for $25 million. They also admitted in 2008 that they had overstated 2007 election division revenue by some 300% in hopes of manipulating stock prices.

As earlier as 2004, thanks to documents leaked by a whistleblower, it was discovered that Diebold had illegally used uncertified certified hardware and software in California election systems and planned to lie about it to state investigators. The e-voting systems, repeatedly found over the years to be easily hacked, were decertified for use by the state at the time (though they are still used widely around much of the country today.)
http://disinfo.com/2013/10/voting-machine-manufacturer-diebold-charged-bribery-fraud-worldwide-pattern-criminal-conduct/

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. Read Who Owns The Four Voting Machine Companies
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016
"The American vote count is controlled by three major corporate players, Diebold, ESS, Sequoia, and a fourth, SAIC, Science Applications International. All four are hard-wired into the Bush power structure, the Bush crime family.

"They have been given millions of dollars by the Bush regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines that were just used in the 2004 election. The technology involved had a trial run during the 2002 mid-term elections. Georgia had Diebold machines in every precinct. As a result, a popular Democratic governor and senator were both unseated in what the media called an "amazing" 16 percent swing.

"Diebold's Walden O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, publicly committed himself to delivering his home state Ohio's votes to Bush. At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy.

"The four companies are interconnected; they are not four "competitors". Ahmanson has large stakes in ES&S, whose former CEO was Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. When Hagel ran for office, his own company counted the votes, and his victory was considered "an amazing upset". Hagel still has a million dollar stake in ES&S.

"Sequoia is the corporate parent of a private equity firm, Madison Dearborn, which is partner in the Carlyle Group. (Also see here.)

"Meanwhile, SAIC is referred to a "shadowy defense contractor". They have gotten into the vote count game both directly and through spinoffs by its top brass, including Admiral Bill Owens, former military aide to Dick Cheney, and Carlyle Group honcho Frank Carlucci and ex-CIA chief Robert Gates. SAIC's history of fraud charges and security "lapses" haven't prevented it from becoming one of the largest Pentagon and CIA contractors, and will doubtless encounter few obstacles in its entrance into the vote counting business. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x31265

This links to 2004 info posted by DU member, shows the origins of Diebold.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
14. So you are accusing the New Hampshire Democratic Party of wanting to rig the vote, are you?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016
If they are EVM's, and are of they type able to be compromised, then I'm pretty sure they will be.
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
19. If you are asking me if I trust the establishment
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

whether of the Democratic or Republican flavor, the answer is a resounding NO. I have no trust at all that they operate in the fullest faith and fairness when their profitable system of graft is threatened by an outsider.

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
20. They stick pins in giant voodoo dolls of Hillary and Bernie
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

The doll with the least amount of pins is the winner.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
24. Optical scanners for most
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:38 PM
Feb 2016

The tiny ones like those hayseeds up in Dixville Notch that are in the news ever year for voting at midnight count by hand.

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