Democratic Women Senators "Arm Twisting" Warren To Endorse Hillary.

[cali]

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Female Democratic senators are privately urging Sen. Elizabeth Warren to formally endorse Hillary Clinton for president.

The lobbying campaign comes as the Democratic race between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is heating up going into the New Hampshire primary next week.


A group of Democratic ­senators is taking a bus tour of New Hampshire this weekend to stump for Clinton, and they want the liberal Massachusetts powerhouse to get on board. Clinton narrowly defeated Sanders in the Iowa caucuses earlier this week, but the Vermont senator is a heavy favorite to win New Hampshire.

A few of the senators have discussed with Warren the possibility of publicly backing Clinton. However, they’ve been careful not to put a lot of public pressure on their colleague, who is fiercely independent and has a loyal following among progressives.

<snip>

A Democratic aide said the Senate women have been “trying to do a little arm twisting in recent months

<snip>
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/268161-female-senators-urge-warren-back-hillary

[CentralMass]

1. I doubt she will.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. She'll be Sanders's running mate, to carry on the torch in 2020. nt

[frylock]

32. I hope not. We need her in the Senate to keep these fools in check.

[TheBlackAdder]

34. We need her in the White House in 2020 too.

.


Regardless of who gets in office, HRC or SBS, we need a new candidate for 2020.


.

[valerief]

79. ^^^THIS^^^

[askew]

40. The last thing we need is a ticket of two really old white people from New England.

Talk about out of touch. Sanders is going to have to pick a much younger running mate for the same reason McCain did. Sanders is super old and voters are going to want assurances there is a qualified VP in place who isn't ancient. Where McCain went wrong is that he picked an unqualified young VP.

Warren is 66 years old.

I'd guess he picks someone who is younger and likely a woman. Though looking through the choices there aren't a whole lot of younger women in the Dem Party as possible VPs:

Amy Klobuchar is 55 and from the Midwest. She is insanely popular in Minnesota and would be an asset on the stump.

Tammy Baldwin is 53 and from Midwest. That would be something to have a gay VP nominee. Don't see it happening though.

Kristen Gillibrand is 49 but also from the East Coast.

[CentralMass]

67. They would be a formidable paring.

[askew]

93. Too one note, too old.

[valerief]

80. No! Keep Warren in the Senate. Get Robert Reich as VP.

We can trust him, he's experienced, and he supports Bernie's policies.

[monmouth4]

2. How sad the woman depends on surrogates to go begging for an endorsement. n/t

[Hiraeth]

3. bawahahahahahahaha. good luck with that.

[bigwillq]

4. I would be fine with Warren endorsing Mrs. Clinton

If and when Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination. Same for Bernie in regards to a Warren endorsement.

[bettyellen]

37. Me too, I am surprised this wasn't labeled a cat fight- because women! Give em some time though.

[Squinch]

87. Yep. That's definitely going to happen. Also, poor, poor fragile Elizabeth Warren, having

her arm twisted like that. Because, you know, she is a delicate flower and she can't stand up to other people who might disagree with her, so they should never have asked her to endorse Hillary. Because she'll just get all weepy if she decides not to and has to say no.

[NorthCarolina]

5. If she did endorse Clinton it would undermine her standing as a true progressive,

so for that reason I think she will not formally endorse, but will just speak around the edges and let her followers figure out who she supports from there.

[restorefreedom]

38. yes, and we have gotten the message

between her statement the other day and her floor speech last week, the only words she hasn't uttered are "i endorse bernie sanders for president of the united ststes."

if she was going to endorse clinton, she would hsve done it earlier while she was still inevitable.

her silence is speaking volumes

[senz]

43. + 100

[merrily]

6. Pressure and arm-twisting has gone on for a very long time and at all levels:

From a facebook post by New Hampshire State Representative Tim Smith from September 2015

# Yes, there has been enormous pressure to endorse a different candidate, but arm-twisting hasn't worked on me since middle school and did not influence my decision. Hopefully other legislators will see the enormous level of solidarity you have all given and be convinced that it's “safe” to do what's right instead of what's easy. #

Full post and link at http://www.democraticunderground.com/128054423

This is one reason I have not been impressed by the array of endorsements.

[arcane1]

36. I can almost hear "My wealthy donors will fund a primary challenger" being part of the arm-twisting.

[senz]

47. Yes, of course. That's how it works.

We must get money out of the electoral process. It is killing democracy, killing the well-being of an entire people.

(You should consider running for office, arcane1.)

[senz]

46. But that doesn't stop Hill supporters from crowing

as if those "endorsements" were based on anything other than self-preservation.

[Nanjeanne]

7. I can't imagine Senator Warren letting her arm be twisted

[Fawke Em]

76. That sort of thing would piss me off.

I'd endorse another candidate just to get even.

[global1]

8. It Really Makes One Wonder What Happened To The Democratic Party Along The Way.....

to not want a transformational person as their Party nominee. All stops are being pulled out to keep the status quo. Are they really concerned with The People that voted them in to represent us or are they only concerned about themselves and the big money flow to keep their jobs?

I'm sitting here watching all of this happened before my eyes and am saddened for our children and grandchildren that will be stuck living in a 1%er's world.

I'm so disillusioned now it isn't even funny - but it makes me want to work all the harder to get Bernie elected.

Go Bernie!!!

Feel the Bern!!!!

[Betty Karlson]

13. The status quo has become untenable.

Any politician espousing the maintenance of the status quo (Clinton first among them) is basing her / his platform on unrealistic expectations.

[mmonk]

17. +1

[NV Whino]

9. Senator Warren is not beholden to anyone to keep her senate seat (unlike others).

Therefore, she won't succumb to any arm twisting. If she at some point endorses Hillary, it will be because she believes in Hillary's message.

[Andy823]

28. Yes I agree

Although I am sure that some here on DU will claim they held a gun to her head if she does endorse Hillary!

[JonLeibowitz]

10. bwaahhahaha ok I admit I laughed when I read that

“I’m hopeful she’ll join us. I’m hopeful she’ll join the revolution that will allow us to come together to elect” the first female president,

Exactly what is revolutionary about Sec. Clinton?

[winter is coming]

20. Spinning around is revolving.

Or maybe it's revolting.

[VulgarPoet]

21. Porque no las dos?

Translation: Why not both?

[winter is coming]

22. That's certainly a possibility. n/t

[Betty Karlson]

11. Why am I not surpised?

Neither by the establishment efforts and by Warren's refusal. Not downright endorsing Sanders is perhaps the only concession she was willing to make.

[jillan]

12. An entire political movement couldn't get her to run for President. And we tried!

I get the feeling that Elizabeth has a mind of her own

[Mike__M]

63. DUer Praises Warren, Throws Women Under the Bus!

When some people say that one specific woman has a mind of her own, what they really mean is that all other women never ever think for themselves.
By making such a plain seemingly non-sexist statement, they prove that all of Bernie's supporters are disgusting, spittle-spewing misogynists!
That's a low blow, so cut it out, because nine-eleven!

(I think I got the logic down, now.)

[jillan]

73. Did you seriously just reply to me with that comment?

You are calling me a misogynist? Me? A woman who praises another woman?

Unreal. A new low.

[Mike__M]

82. Not seriously...

left off the sarcasm thingy

[jillan]

86. Thanks :) I was really taken aback. Tis the silly season.

[Mike__M]

88. Well, some of the stuff we can read for real

is offensive, and the logic of some of the arguments is insulting.
Not least Secretary Clinton's "shouting" complaint from last Fall. She was right that some people call out "shouting" as a sexist attack, but to accuse Sanders of that is ridiculous--attacking his strong points, as they say. I was pro-Sanders, but not anti-Clinton until she started that.
The "silly season" is really twisty! I should be more careful. But I probably won't be.

[jillan]

92. And in the end 99% of us will join hands and work to get our nominee elected in the GE

Sometimes I have to take a deep breath and remind myself that in the end we all want the same thing.

Being a political junkie during election season should come with warning stickers

[Major Nikon]

85. Results...

On Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

DUer Praises Warren, Throws Women Under the Bus!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1140383

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Bernie's supporters are all disgusting, spittle-spewing misogynists? Because I, a woman, praised another woman?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:39 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Borderline, but I decided to err on the side of free speech.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Joking.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Apparently, someone is unable to recognize sarcasm.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, I don't think you understand that the poster is making a critical comment about the structure of the preceding argument. The poster is not stating those things as a point of belief.

[Jefferson23]

14. lol

I doubt Warren caves to these measures and I give anyone who resists
this bullshit a lot of credit.

Why don't they spend their energy and time telling Clinton to stop
funding her campaign through WS?

[Blue_Adept]

15. OMG - POLITICS!

It's like this NEVER happens across hundreds and thousands of years of politicking.

[INdemo]

16. Hillary supporters can dream

That ain't gonna happen. As it turns out the women in Congress have never gotten onboard with Warren in her fight for middle class Americans and against the "too big to fail" Banks so yes Hiilary fans you're dreaming.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Yet another sign of desperation in full swing at Camp Weathervane. n/t

[elias49]

19. Hey! This isnt supposed to be about gender, right?

Democratic Women Senators "Arm Twisting" Warren To Endorse Hillary.

[brooklynite]

24. I thought her "cred" came from her votes and her policy work...

...and why does she need "cred" with anyone but the voters of Massachusetts?

[cali]

33. Oh she does need cred outside MA

Why do you think hill wants her endorsement so badly? Because Warren has a ton of cred with progressives across the country, particularly on economic inequality.

[senz]

48. Warren is a national leader for progressives.

Not all positions are circumscribed by man-made power structures and not everyone has to sell out to get ahead.

Seriously, brooklynite.

[Skwmom]

25. It would damage Warren more than it would help Clinton. n/t

[senz]

49. Yet Clinton supporters long for it

especially her female supporters.

[djean111]

26. This "first woman president" thing is, IMO, total bullshit and a piss-poor reason to

vote for someone, especially since I hate war, fracking, the TPP, cluster bombs, and H-1B visas. It is abhorrent to me to think that I would overlook all of those things, just to vote for some woman.

[montanacowboy]

27. Amen to that

I think we all would like a female president, but sure as hell not this one.

[senz]

50. Exactly. It's an insult to our gender.

Contrary to once-popular opinion, we are not all airheads.

[arcane1]

30. Since Clinton has zero credibility at this point, she needs to borrow from one of the most credible.

This is fucking embarrassing.

[Cheese Sandwich]

31. I wonder what tools they have to pressure her with.

They may have some political dirt on her, who knows. Or may give an implied threat of shunning or withholding future support.

[senz]

54. Oh lord, I could see that. That's a real-life scenario.

Fortunately, these people depend on public support and we, as aware citizens, can apply our own pressure on them. They need us more than they need their group support.

[NightWatcher]

35. She's got girl parts so she must endorse Clinton!!!

And the other people with girl parts are putting pressure on her to do so.


That's a hell of a way to campaign.

[Fawke Em]

84. Makes me, as a woman, wonder if the females of the Senate

are adults because they seem to be acting like a high school clique.

[blackspade]

39. Ah, peer pressure.

They can't stand independent thinking.

Even if Warren ends up endorsing HRC it will be on her terms not the arm twisters. Shame on them.

[CharlotteVale]

41. As a woman, there is no woman on the planet who could influence me to

vote for Hillary.

[senz]

42. Sounds like clique mentaltity. Some women cannot tolerate independence in other women.

And any female who paid attention during grade school, middle school, high school, college, social organizations, the work force -- and, yes, message boards -- knows exactly what I am talking about.

Self-respecting women resist group think.

[CajunBlazer]

44. "Warren is the only female Democratic senator who has not endorsed Clinton."

And mark my words, she will sooner or later.

[senz]

56. Only if Clinton wins the nomination

and then only in a most perfunctory way, and we would all know how perfunctory it is.

But she will not be pressured and coerced into betraying her own values, which is a good thing, wouldn't you agree, CajunBlazer?

[CajunBlazer]

58. I take it she is a friend of yours?

[senz]

59. Her values, principles, and character are well-known by now.

Do you think there might be a way, a little something, that could frighten her and make her do it?

[CajunBlazer]

60. Why then did she urge Hillary to run for the Presidency?

[senz]

61. ALL Senate Democratic women told Hill to go for it. "Rah-rah team spirit"

It was a group letter, very collegial, meant nothing. If Warren had been the only female Dem senator to decline to sign, she would have looked very strange.

[CajunBlazer]

72. Elizabeth Warren is very independent

She is not one to follow the leader. She would not sign a group letter unless she believe in its contents. If you disagree you don't know Elizabeth Warren

[bettyellen]

90. So Warren went against her deep seated principals because something would "look strange".

I don't buy that.

[senz]

91. It's not against a deep seated principle to join the group in saying "Go for it!"

It's collegial. It's how you stay in good standing with your peer group.

I'll bet you know that, bettyellen.

[morningfog]

69. LOL. Marked. This is going to be great.

[Purveyor]

51. Tell them to piss off and maintain your integrity Sen. Warren. eom

[fredamae]

52. I'm going to go out on a limb here

I believe Warren shall not be arm twisted. I know I wouldn't, anyway.

[quickesst]

53. Haha....

I'm disappointed. I was expecting at least a picture of Elizabeth Warren sitting in a chair sweating, surrounded by the other senators giving her the third degree under bright lights. The title of your post was what got me expecting that.

Instead we get this: "However, they’ve been careful not to put a lot of public pressure on their colleague, who is fiercely independent and has a loyal following among progressives."
A Democratic aide said the Senate women have been “trying to do a little arm twisting in recent months "

Why shouldn't they try and convince Sen Warren to endorse Hillary? They're endorsing Hillary Clinton. I'll bet if the women in the Senate endorsing your chosen candidate were trying to get her to endorse Bernie the wording in your title would be quite different, but then that won't happen because, well, there aren't any.

[H2O Man]

55. That's not surprising.

That's part of political contests.

[AtomicKitten]

57. I would be surprised if Elizabeth acquiesced to the arm-twisting.

[PATRICK]

62. At first it sounds like

the entire woman's caucus. Then it says "a few" whose names are likely eminently guessable. This is neither a surprise or likely to bear any fruit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. ".....and has a loyal following among progressives."

So far, a well earned following among progressives. As does Bernie Sanders.

[Ken Burch]

65. She doesn't owe HRC an endorsement.

It isn't a victory for women just to elect someone who is a woman president. By itself, it isn't anything.

[oasis]

66. I don't she how Warren, a progressive with such strong principles,

hasn't yet endorsed Bernie.

[WI_DEM]

68. So why isn't she endorsing Bernie?

[Eric J in MN]

75. If she endorses neither (before nominee determined) she can be VP for either. NT

NT

[WillyT]

70. K & R !!!

[Warren DeMontague]

71. Of that, I have no doubt.

[Eric J in MN]

74. I wish Bernie Sanders had more surrogate events.

There should a tour with some of these celebrities:
https://berniesanders.com/artists/

...and then a speech by a politician who endorsed him.

[Trajan]

77. I am coming to an unfortunate conclusion after these discussions

Franken
Baldwin
Wyden

ALL are sullied by the stench of corporate campaign funding ... It's damaging to a person's integrity, to their essential goodness, to receive funds from corporate entities, because what is expected in return is nearly always - ANTI-worker ... ANTI-union ... ANTI-Fair taxation ... ANTI-public education ...ANTI-Social Security ... ANTI- EVERYTHING that regular working families hold dear ....

The whole lot of them need to be thrown out ...

[valerief]

78. I think Warren has too much integrity. nt

[hifiguy]

81. Why should she?

Senator Warren is obviously able to think for herself.

[Zorra]

83. I can't imagine Elizabeth betraying all her progressive supporters by endorsing Clinton. nt

[bettyellen]

89. I thought she already said she would support the Dem nominee. It isn't controversial.

[MisterP]

94. alas they really think that a Warren endorsement would make Sanders falter

instead all we'll see is constant armtwisting and blackmail to drive up the ever-so-important ENDORSEMENTS like they're poker chips--one good for 500K votes, another just 10K