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book_worm

(15,951 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:39 AM Feb 2016

UMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll day 4: "Hillary coming Back"

MANCHESTER, N.H. (WHDH) -
It's not an earthquake, yet...But the political ground in New Hampshire is moving.

We're seeing more of Iowa's impact, and the war of words underway here.

Hillary Clinton is coming back; and Marco Rubio is coming up.
Sanders still has a significant lead over Clinton-- 58% to 36%-- a 22 point margin.

But look at the direction of the tracks: Sanders is down three and Clinton is up four, our biggest single gain since we started this poll.

http://www.whdh.com/story/31137507/hiller-instinct-7newsumass-lowell-new-hampshire-tracking-poll-day-4

Day 1: 61-30 Sanders +31
Day 2: 63-30 Sanders +33
Day 3: 61-32 Sanders +29
Day 4: 58-36 Sanders +22

This indicates that with rolling averages and days that fall off that after the Iowa victory Hillary has been coming back pretty strongly in NH--probably not enough to win it, but make it much closer than anticipated.

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UMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll day 4: "Hillary coming Back" (Original Post) book_worm Feb 2016 OP
Well, you and the bankers can celebrate .... Trajan Feb 2016 #1
what a nasty post Dem2 Feb 2016 #25
You got that right NowSam Feb 2016 #30
It's all about the narrative./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #2
The comeback girl! DCBob Feb 2016 #3
... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #4
How is she a comeback? Didn't she win in IA? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #15
Comeback from what? I thought she "won" Iowa and beat Bernie back Armstead Feb 2016 #20
Right--maybe this polling bump is her being fresh off her big "victory"? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #21
The OP is about New Hampshire, not Iowa. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #37
The +30 was never a realistic number. This is sandbagging. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #5
probably not realistic but if the trends continue book_worm Feb 2016 #6
The polls themselves are a "narrative". I wonder who paid for them. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #7
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that UML polling isn't paid for by a campaign Godhumor Feb 2016 #12
Hi Godhumor kenn3d Feb 2016 #34
Hi to you, too. First I'm not exactly unbiased Godhumor Feb 2016 #35
Thanks kenn3d Feb 2016 #38
this was the plan all along restorefreedom Feb 2016 #19
Yeah, the Clintons have a LOOOOOONG history of playing the expectations game. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #22
from what i heard at town hall restorefreedom Feb 2016 #23
Right--they can't be overconfident, they have to turn out every vote, TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #24
he was great on it last night restorefreedom Feb 2016 #26
I always remember that Obama won Iowa, and then immediately lost NH. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #28
yes he was not as hated by the establishment as bernie restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31
I'll take a single digit win. Take a page from the Clinton playbook--Bill Clinton TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #32
yes, any win will help restorefreedom Feb 2016 #33
Don't believe it! newfie11 Feb 2016 #8
You're right I fully expect that Bernie will win NH WI_DEM Feb 2016 #10
Who conceded a state that Hillary won in 2008 to Bernie? Nobody's conceded anything. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #14
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #9
3 more fourth quarter touchdowns firebrand80 Feb 2016 #11
Sad that you back a cold, dismissive centrist, but that's your call. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #36
I think it may be close. But I think Bernie can pull it off. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #13
If she can get to within single digits, we can call it a "virtual tie". nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #16
Well, no. If she can get within one percent or less, you can call it a virtual tie. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #18
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #17
That will narrow further after tonight's debate. Can't wait! n/t livetohike Feb 2016 #27
Its going to tighten up. Iliyah Feb 2016 #29

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
30. You got that right
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

Slanted table. M$M and "polls" all theater. They tell us who is up and down and then diebold decides in accordance with whoever the 1% chooses. do we have integrity in our voting systems?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
21. Right--maybe this polling bump is her being fresh off her big "victory"?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

Shouldn't we expect the triumphant frontrunner to win a state she's won before?

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
6. probably not realistic but if the trends continue
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

his victory could be much less than anticiptated and that will set the media narrative.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
12. I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that UML polling isn't paid for by a campaign
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

And, if it matters, the guy who runs it is a Bernie supporter in his non-job capacity.

Actually he would fit in well on DU. He was a Kucinich supporter in 2008, too.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
34. Hi Godhumor
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

Do you give this UML "tracking" poll more or less credence than the Ipsos/Reuters national rolly-poll? Are they not similar in methodology?

The composite RCP NH chart continues to show Sanders' lead increasing since the IA caucus results.


I doubt this gaping difference will be sustained through the voting, but I'm inclined to think that any momentum since IA is still Bernie's.

I'd like to hear your opinion.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
35. Hi to you, too. First I'm not exactly unbiased
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:33 PM - Edit history (1)

The guy in charge of the UMass Lowell is a friend of mine.

But, he's trying to do something pretty unique. Reuters is a rolling poll using internet entries from a self-selected group that cannot produce a MOE (They have to use a statistical equivalent). Josh's group is actually doing live interviews every day via cell and landline and basically running a traditional poll, just with an incredibly short turnaround time (He is already getting a little loopy from lack of sleep this week.). Daily tracking, even with a 3 day roll up, is notoriously volatile and subject to changes due to good days rolling on or off. But, within that framework, UMass Lowell's methodology is more sound.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
38. Thanks
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

I always appreciate your insights. Cool that you know the UML pollster.

I'll be very surprised if the final results of this NH primary are as lopsided as they appear right now. But I'm hoping that the future states contests will also be tighter than they currently appear.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
19. this was the plan all along
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

to hype the living shit out of that one 30+ poll so they could push the "she is coming back" narrative

i think anderson's first question to Bernie was referring to the poll, "how can you NOT underperform?"

gods, they are so transparent....

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
22. Yeah, the Clintons have a LOOOOOONG history of playing the expectations game.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

The Sanders camp needs to learn this and lower expectations for him.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. from what i heard at town hall
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

bernie is already on it. but yes, his team needs to get out front more aggressively.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
24. Right--they can't be overconfident, they have to turn out every vote,
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:51 AM
Feb 2016

and they have to say that they HOPE they win but expect it to be a tough fight because she's been the presumptive nominee for years.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
26. he was great on it last night
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:52 AM
Feb 2016

reiterating that they have made progress against the most powerful political force ever...the clintons..

nailed it!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
28. I always remember that Obama won Iowa, and then immediately lost NH.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

And then he had to fight like a SOB for the rest of the race. Bernie will have it even tougher. It's not for the fainthearted, going against not only the Clinton Machine but a good chunk of the Dem establishment too. Obama had the advantage of having some Dem heavyhitters behind him from the start.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. yes he was not as hated by the establishment as bernie
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

going to be a huge uphill,all thhe way. but a double digit win in nh will help, and i think he has a good chance of at least a ten point spread. i would feel more comfy with 15, but any double digit win will help him

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
32. I'll take a single digit win. Take a page from the Clinton playbook--Bill Clinton
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

once spun a third place showing as a win. This is how you play the game--lower expectations, take what you get, spin it as a win or call yourself the Comeback Kid.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
33. yes, any win will help
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

but if they split delegstes based on vote, every delegate will help, esp as this goes along.

a win for bernie will be a win, but leave it to hillary to try and spin it as him losing ground

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
10. You're right I fully expect that Bernie will win NH
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:21 AM
Feb 2016

but the closer it is the better it is for Hillary in a state that almost everybody has conceded to
Bernie.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
14. Who conceded a state that Hillary won in 2008 to Bernie? Nobody's conceded anything.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

She's the frontrunner, I expect her to close the gap.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
36. Sad that you back a cold, dismissive centrist, but that's your call.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

You don't need to settle for the lesser evil, you know.

This isn't a right-wing country.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
18. Well, no. If she can get within one percent or less, you can call it a virtual tie.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

Otherwise it's a loss.

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