2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll day 4: "Hillary coming Back"
MANCHESTER, N.H. (WHDH) -
It's not an earthquake, yet...But the political ground in New Hampshire is moving.
We're seeing more of Iowa's impact, and the war of words underway here.
Hillary Clinton is coming back; and Marco Rubio is coming up.
Sanders still has a significant lead over Clinton-- 58% to 36%-- a 22 point margin.
But look at the direction of the tracks: Sanders is down three and Clinton is up four, our biggest single gain since we started this poll.
http://www.whdh.com/story/31137507/hiller-instinct-7newsumass-lowell-new-hampshire-tracking-poll-day-4
Day 1: 61-30 Sanders +31
Day 2: 63-30 Sanders +33
Day 3: 61-32 Sanders +29
Day 4: 58-36 Sanders +22
This indicates that with rolling averages and days that fall off that after the Iowa victory Hillary has been coming back pretty strongly in NH--probably not enough to win it, but make it much closer than anticipated.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Have fun
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Is this really how we want to treat each other?
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Slanted table. M$M and "polls" all theater. They tell us who is up and down and then diebold decides in accordance with whoever the 1% chooses. do we have integrity in our voting systems?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Or "win"?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Shouldn't we expect the triumphant frontrunner to win a state she's won before?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)his victory could be much less than anticiptated and that will set the media narrative.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)And, if it matters, the guy who runs it is a Bernie supporter in his non-job capacity.
Actually he would fit in well on DU. He was a Kucinich supporter in 2008, too.
Do you give this UML "tracking" poll more or less credence than the Ipsos/Reuters national rolly-poll? Are they not similar in methodology?
The composite RCP NH chart continues to show Sanders' lead increasing since the IA caucus results.
I doubt this gaping difference will be sustained through the voting, but I'm inclined to think that any momentum since IA is still Bernie's.
I'd like to hear your opinion.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:33 PM - Edit history (1)
The guy in charge of the UMass Lowell is a friend of mine.
But, he's trying to do something pretty unique. Reuters is a rolling poll using internet entries from a self-selected group that cannot produce a MOE (They have to use a statistical equivalent). Josh's group is actually doing live interviews every day via cell and landline and basically running a traditional poll, just with an incredibly short turnaround time (He is already getting a little loopy from lack of sleep this week.). Daily tracking, even with a 3 day roll up, is notoriously volatile and subject to changes due to good days rolling on or off. But, within that framework, UMass Lowell's methodology is more sound.
I always appreciate your insights. Cool that you know the UML pollster.
I'll be very surprised if the final results of this NH primary are as lopsided as they appear right now. But I'm hoping that the future states contests will also be tighter than they currently appear.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to hype the living shit out of that one 30+ poll so they could push the "she is coming back" narrative
i think anderson's first question to Bernie was referring to the poll, "how can you NOT underperform?"
gods, they are so transparent....
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)The Sanders camp needs to learn this and lower expectations for him.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bernie is already on it. but yes, his team needs to get out front more aggressively.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)and they have to say that they HOPE they win but expect it to be a tough fight because she's been the presumptive nominee for years.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)reiterating that they have made progress against the most powerful political force ever...the clintons..
nailed it!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)And then he had to fight like a SOB for the rest of the race. Bernie will have it even tougher. It's not for the fainthearted, going against not only the Clinton Machine but a good chunk of the Dem establishment too. Obama had the advantage of having some Dem heavyhitters behind him from the start.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)going to be a huge uphill,all thhe way. but a double digit win in nh will help, and i think he has a good chance of at least a ten point spread. i would feel more comfy with 15, but any double digit win will help him
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)once spun a third place showing as a win. This is how you play the game--lower expectations, take what you get, spin it as a win or call yourself the Comeback Kid.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but if they split delegstes based on vote, every delegate will help, esp as this goes along.
a win for bernie will be a win, but leave it to hillary to try and spin it as him losing ground
newfie11
(8,159 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)but the closer it is the better it is for Hillary in a state that almost everybody has conceded to
Bernie.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)She's the frontrunner, I expect her to close the gap.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)and we've got ourselves a ballgame.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You don't need to settle for the lesser evil, you know.
This isn't a right-wing country.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Otherwise it's a loss.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
livetohike
(22,144 posts)😊
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Its going to be fun!