BOOM! Barbara Boxer: Hillary is a progressive EVERY day. Bernie is a Democrat "some days."

[riversedge]

Men4Hillary Retweeted
Barbara Boxer ?@BarbaraBoxer 17h17 hours ago

Barbara Boxer Retweeted Alex Seitz-Wald

Hillary is a progressive EVERY day. Bernie is a Democrat "some days."

[Admiral Loinpresser]

1. True or false:

Hillary called herself a moderate on September 10, 2015. Yes or no? So Clintonian. So crickets.

[hobbit709]

9. the Clinton fan club rejects reality and creates its own version.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

15. Crickets, crickets, crickets. n/t

[roguevalley]

99. what a disgusting thing for her to say. I just lost a lot of

Respect for her.

[pandr32]

169. Not sure who you mean

You had some respect for Sec. Clinton or Senator Boxer?

[yeoman6987]

132. Barbara boxer knows both candidates more then all of us

I don't think she is part of a fan club. I think she is providing her opinion.

[hobbit709]

133. And she's a Democrat "some days" too.

[yeoman6987]

136. Maybe true depending on issue.

[BlueCaliDem]

178. Like Bernie?

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

[Bradical79]

145. Her opinion is wrong in this case

It's not too difficult to show numerous instances of Hillary Clinton changing her mind on progressive issues, supporting and taking money from corrupt mega-corporations, pandering to conservatives and moderates, and so on. She's more progressive now than she used to be, but Boxer making such an obviously untrue statement as a twitter zinger just opens herself and Hillary Clinton up to some very strong criticism that's impossible to hand wave away.

[yeoman6987]

152. Honestly, the India suing us is making me question my vote

I was 100 percent for Hillary but I am stunned over the VISA situation where a country can sue us for raising the cost of the visa program. How did we get there? I am still stunned.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

233. Welcome to WTO world. n/t

[frylock]

147. As much as I admire Barbara Boxer, she's a party loyalist.

[Plucketeer]

162. Ms Boxer knows A LOT of things we peons aren't privvy to.

And that's just the way she and those of her strata want it. They TELL US what to think - not ASK US what we think. I've had it with being TOLD what to think.
I keep our old lawn mower limping along because I worry about putting a new one on the credit card. Ms. Boxer doesn't have a clue how her lawn gets tended. It takes a real rarity of a person to LIVE in that elevated strata and honestly relate to what life's like here in the trenches. Boxer and Clinton ain't got a CLUE - and neither do a majority of the elite clan they claim allegiance to.

[pandr32]

170. Thank you for pointing that out

It is an opinion she has earned from observation. Notice that Sanders has no endorsements from his colleagues in the Senate, and only a couple from the House after they have all observed Sanders working with him for years. They don't see him as a progressive champion or a leader at all.

[yeoman6987]

174. True.

[PeaceNikki]

155. The most fundamental part of progressive is “progress”. She effects progress.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1473138/-Progressive-Praise-for-Hillary-Clinton-From-a-Bernie-Supporter

[mikehiggins]

191. Good read

I don't agree with a lot of things but the willingness to think has to be applauded.

Me, I don't want a third Obama term but I especially don't want a third Clinton term. If we could get a restraining order to keep him fifty miles from the White House I would applaud the effort.

One point, however: Bernie has raised millions of dollars from small donors. Every dollar is given to help the campaign. Specifically. There are plenty of fund raisers out there for other candidates and groups--my inbox generally contains 75% appeals from both sides (even from Rubio). Money I contribute to Sanders I expect to be used to combat the incredible resources at HRC's command just to win the fight. I am sure that is the same with other people as well.

After 911 (apologies to HRC and Ghouliani for bringing up THAT issue) some of the money donated to Red Cross was used for the on-going benevolent activities of that group. This led to a firestorm. People who had donated for 911 relief efforts were disgusted by the misuse of their money, even if in a good cause. It was just that such good causes were not the reason the donations were made.

Similarly, this campaign.

The irony of using Wall Street money to re-build a Democratic party is not lost on me. Neither, however, is seeing it as being something other than a very good move for anyone but HRC. If we wind up with a Third-way Party, dominated by hedge fund managers, it isn't going to help anyone else.

Sanders has to use all those donations for the reasons they were made. Sounds fair to m.

[PeaceNikki]

194. Read it again, it doesn't talk about financial help, but help with resources, guidance, connections.

That's sustainable stuff that can be worth far more than cash in the right hands.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

225. I strongly disagree.

I know the author of your linked article. I respect him but he and I have widely divergent views on HRC. He believes either candidate would be acceptable as the nominee, whereas I will never vote for her unless she becomes an actual progressive. Chris must have access to info I'm not aware of, because the Dem Party hasn't done shit in my region. The Bernie people have generated more enthusiasm than anyone in decades with the exception of Obama in 2008.

We are organizing for a long term progressive movement to act locally and regionally. Time will tell if we can be more effective than the Democrats. Of course we will align with them, but unless Bernie is the nominee, I see no rationale for any support or loyalty to the Democratic Party. I say that as a lifetime Democrat.

My contempt is for both political and personal reasons. I'm tired of the institutional racism, the lack of guts by candidates and the lack of a reality based platform. Personally, I am disgusted that the ACA has raised my taxes this year. I will have to pay a penalty this year because I can't afford health insurance. What a steaming pile of bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[riversedge]

33. Bernie should not have started this stupid meme. We have be two things or labels at once.

Divide and Conquer seems to his motto lately

[Admiral Loinpresser]

37. Can't answer my question?

Crickets...

[Fuddnik]

67. Of course not. Talking points of the day come down, they don't sway.

What was yesterdays point? Oh yeah, Bernies afraid to debate. (POOF) Vanished into the thin air of reality.

[BlueCaliDem]

182. Oh, he's not afraid to debate. He's just horrible at it.

Horrible.

[MoonRiver]

78. Bernie Sanders is a conservative when it comes to guns.

Nobody is 100% anything.

[roguevalley]

101. if hrc were 10% I would dislike her less

[riversedge]

88. I answered your question with my post. Try some reading comprehension please. Thanks.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

151. No you didn't.

You gave a rationalization without directly answering my question. That is called deflection. So I ask again.. did Hillary Clinton call herself a moderate on September 10, 2015. All I need is a "yes" or a "no." It's very simple. I will entertain any rationale for her statement after you take a position on my very simple question. Any answer that does not include a yes or no terminates the discussion. I will not ask a third time.

[Bradical79]

156. I'm not sure what you meant either

Do you mean it's false, and that's why you called it a meme? Meme is pretty overused these days, and doesn't really indicate the validity of the statement either way.

[Bubzer]

64. I think your "boom" fizzled before it even happened.

[jhart3333]

79. Hmmm. No response.

Maybe this should be the answer every time.

[Omaha Steve]

100. Boxer voted no on the war and is soft on gun control (she sounds more like Bernie to me)

Why did she endorse Hillary? $ and a relative. See reply #55.

[BlueCaliDem]

187. Maybe because Senator Boxer is a Democrat and Bernie is only one out of political expediency?

Remember his words:

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

[Admiral Loinpresser]

237. Bernie's running although he doesn't want to--

it's a horrible experience and he doesn't have Potomac fever like the usual candidate. There is no expediency here. Expediency is trading American and Iraqi blood for a putative shot at the White House.

[angrychair]

38. Even better

If you can find the video of Joel Benonson, Clinton's chief strategist and poller, was on All In with Chris Hayes and Chris was really grilling him about this....his excuse was that she was always a progressive but sometimes had to be a moderate, to get things "done" but she is always a "progressive that gets things done"™. It was actually a lot more pretzel logic than I make it sound. That interview was full of nuggets like that.

[blackspade]

65. What exactly has she gotten "done" in the face of Repub opposition?

Is she trying to take credit for Obama's successes?

Another lame attempt at using a a Repub tactic of redefining words to undercut you opponent.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

73. True or false: I-VT became D-VT when it was convenient for his Presidential run?

For some reason, he couldn't find it in himself to join the party of fellow Vermonters Leahy and Dean, but now he wants to be that party's Presidential nominee.

[zalinda]

91. He became a Democrat because

he didn't want to be a spoiler. I became a Democrat again to vote for Bernie, not Hillary.

Z

[Algernon Moncrieff]

216. If he didn't like the party as-is, he should have run as an independent

It would have been honest.

[zalinda]

235. And then you would be whining that he is a spoiler.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He was okay until he challenged Hillary. When he became a threat, he became 'not a Democrat'. You never complained about all the Republicans who became Democrats to run for office, you welcomed them into the 'big tent'. I guess it's only a 'big tent' when it doesn't upset Hillary's plans to become the first woman President.

Z

[Admiral Loinpresser]

238. Boom goes the dynamite!

That actually would enable a GOP victory. This way, Bernie is our best shot to win according to every GE poll I have seen for months.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

241. DU has been filled with complaints about Republicans who became Democrats

..so epic fail on that.

And again - the tent is big. Why didn't he come in? Why has he insisted on being I-VT? If he can't see his way clear to being D-VT as Senator, then he should have run as a Green or a Socialist.

[zalinda]

247. Only when Bernie started to rise

in the polls did it become an issue of his not being a Democrat. No one had a problem with his label for decades. 'Outrage' happened when he started to threaten Hillary's coronation, so all this is just a bogus argument.

Z

[frylock]

154. He became a Democrat to fix your broken party.

You're welcome.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

215. My party was fine - thanks.

Bill Clinton was the best President in my lifetime. No wars that caused massive losses of American troops; incredibly low unemployment when he left office; and he balanced the budget.

[frylock]

218. Bill Clinton hasn't been in office for 15 years.

Fire up a binge fest of the West Wing and don't stop thinking about tomorrow.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

223. ...and think about it -- Bernie Sanders was old then

He's positively ancient now.

[frylock]

224. Ah good. More ageist bullshit. You should be proud.

[riversedge]

220. umm. "your broken party"--Aren't you a Democrat? Just asking.

[frylock]

221. Nope.

[font color="white"]Then why are you on DU?[/font]

[Admiral Loinpresser]

168. False.

He is on the record saying he decided to run as a Democrat because it was necessary and the only responsible way to run. Convenience played no role in his decision because he didn't want to run, but felt it was necessary.

He is the only serious candidate in my lifetime, except for Shirley Chisholm, who doesn't have Potomac fever.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

217. So it wasn't "responsible" of him to be a member of the Democratic party as Senator from Vermont

...but he had to caucus with the Democrats because he had no where else to go.

Now he has ambitions to go to the White House (if that isn't Potomac fever, I don't know what is), and suddenly it's "responsible" of Senator Sanders to go from a political lifetime of being I-VT to D-VT?

Hogwash.

[BlueMTexpat]

227. +1 eom

[Admiral Loinpresser]

232. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Bernie is not a normal politician. He hasn't been corrupted. He doesn't take bribes. He's running because he is disgusted by what America has become. What part of that don't you get?

[workinclasszero]

75. Mr "progressive" Bernie Sanders carries water for the NRA

[Fawke Em]

83. They love him so much they failed him with a D-.

[workinclasszero]

106. How the National Rifle Association helped get Bernie Sanders elected

How the National Rifle Association helped get Bernie Sanders elected
By David A. Fahrenthold July 19, 2015

BURLINGTON, Vt. — A few days before Election Day in 1990, the National Rifle Association sent a letter to its 12,000 members in Vermont, with an urgent message about the race for the state’s single House seat.

Vote for the socialist, the gun rights group said. It’s important.

“Bernie Sanders is a more honorable choice for Vermont sportsmen than ­Peter Smith,” wrote Wayne LaPierre, who was — and still is — a top official at the national NRA, backing Sanders over the Republican incumbent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

[Ikonoklast]

171. Hillary Clinton is responsible for more weapons of war being unleashed upon the world than

the NRA.

And the million deaths that go with those weapons.

[workinclasszero]

176. 30000 plus americans die from totally unregulated guns in america..year after year

So then Bernie is responsible for that. American deaths don't count? Is that what you are saying?

America's Top Killing Machine
Gun deaths are poised to surpass automobile deaths in the United States this year.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/

[workinclasszero]

189. And yet, Wayne LaPierre told his members to vote for Bernie

You forgot that part


ENDORSED Bernie Sanders

[zalinda]

87. With a D- rating from the NRA. eom

[Cassiopeia]

90. Hillary carries water for the MIC

The health insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industries, the oil industry, the banking industry, and Wall Street.

Oh yeah, she talks about guns a little, but won't do shit about them if elected. Her friends in that 1% club would advise her against it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

96. Yeah...a D- rated watercarrier...

Just give it up.

[Goblinmonger]

150. Apparently he carries the water

but he spills a lot along the way. He's no Waterboy with his special backpack.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

183. Absolutely false.

They loathe him. Didn't you know this, or are you just being Clintonian?

[dpatbrown]

81. Yes,

those were her EXACT words, so once again she's being less than honest. Unfortunately, my senator (Boxer) is less than candid too. When Clinton thought that it would benefit her to call herself a moderate she did. Now that we have a TRUE progressive giving her a run for her money, she figures she would now try to convince voters, (especially those under thirty) that she too is one. NO! She is not a progressive, not in my dictionary.

[Go Vols]

122. True

[CSStrowbridge]

141. SHE'S A MODERATE, BECAUSE HER POSITIONS ARE HELD BY MOST AMERICANS!

SHE'S A MODERATE, BECAUSE HER POSITIONS ARE HELD BY MOST AMERICANS!

This is not a hard concept to get. Most Americans hold progressive views.

[in_cog_ni_to]

166. TRUE!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[liberal N proud]

2. Bernie is a Democrat only when he needs to be

Otherwise, not so much.

Now why should I support that, when Hillary has been a Democrat her entire political career and beyond.

[Duckhunter935]

13. who has Bernie

Caucused whither for the last 30 years? Funny how you all did not mind when you got his votes.

[hollysmom]

22. It really comes down to too much emphasis on labels,

In every direction, I judge people on actions, with everyone there will be some actions I don't like, I choose those who's actions I like the most.

[tecelote]

45. It's about principals.

Bernie is more of a Democrat than any Third Way D.

[liberal N proud]

48. Only when he needs something from the Democrats

[zalinda]

97. If he goes third party the Democrats

lose. Bill Clinton won on a third party election, but there were more Democrats then. Now, Democrats and Republicans combined have only about half of the electorate, give or take a few percentage points. With all the new people that Bernie has brought into the system, the Democrats have the advantage again, but no one says those new Democrats will stick around and vote for Hillary. If he goes third party now, he will not only drag a lot of old Democrats to vote for him, but a vast majority of the new Democrats and some of the Republicans.

Hillary does not have the power. After 25 years, you would think people would know her enough to vote for her enthusiastically but she is struggling against a basically unknown Senator from the tiny state of Vermont.

Z

[Snotcicles]

127. I need something from the Democrats, and once again will probably be let down and disappointed. nt

[tex-wyo-dem]

138. He's consistently acted and voted more like a Democrat...

Than most Democrats in congress.

[VulgarPoet]

198. But we're not supposed to point that out, remember?

[Carolina]

242. Touche, twd

And people should also know that Boxer's daughter married a Rodham... one of HRC's brothers, so her support is also a family matter

[tex-wyo-dem]

245. Interesting! Explains a lot....

So many insestuous relationships, it's hard to keep them all straight.

[Bubzer]

66. Right...that explains her speaking payments from goldman sachs...

[blackspade]

70. And 'beyond'? Are you sure you want to stick with that?

Cough, Goldwater, cough.

I don't hold that against her mind you, but you do her no favors by calling attention to it with ill though out posts like this.

[pangaia]

112. Oh jesus help me.. !!

Ohh. lordy in heaven above... come down and smite me before i smite the booby heads with my wand..




On second thought, it's only 10:19 in the am but I think I need a drink

[mwooldri]

146. Some people stick with their party, some don't.

If dedication to a particular political party is important to you, then yes Hillary makes more sense than Bernie. However the political party system in the USA simply makes a non Repuke/Democratic Party candidate non viable. That's why Bernie registered as a Democrat in states that have party registration (Vermont doesn't have it) and is running as a Democrat. That's also why (for similar reasons) why The Dumpster (aka Donald Trump) is running for the Repuke Party nomination. The closest we got in modern times is Ross Perot and even then he was under the guise of a political party.

Besides the definition of who is a Democrat or a Repuke is very wide. Why is the former Florida Governor Charlie Crist now a Democrat rather than a Repuke? Would Jill Stein be welcomed into the Democratic Party were she to leave the Green Party? Is Donald Trump a Democrat given his past support of the Clintons, or a Repuke? (then again is Donald J Trump just a persona of Donald Trump, being put on for our electoral entertainment?)

I choose Bernie over Hillary because of his loyalty to his principles over his loyalty to any political party. His principles don't appear to me to have changed a whole lot over the years. Hillary - a bit more flexible. Bernie also to me appears to want to work towards goals I believe are important.

However... Hillary is miles better than anyone running for the Repuke Party nomination, and it saddens me to say that Donald Trump is probably the best of the bunch... I'm convinced Donald J Trump is a persona running for President and that The Donald is much more moderate than he wants to have you believe right now. But Bernie 1st, Hillary 2nd. Jill Stein 3rd.

[Jefferson23]

3. Silly and if Clinton wanted to be referred to as a progressive she would not have

labeled herself a moderate.

[DrDan]

19. couldn't you say the same thing re Bernie and being a Dem?

[Jefferson23]

26. How are they equivalent when for one, the DNC has no issue with Bernie running, do they?

They have no issue with the fact that he caucuses with who all these years? Democrats.

They have no issue because the big tent of the Democratic Party includes
conservative dems, moderates and progressives.

Clinton labeled herself a moderate then switched when she thought a progressive
label would help her image and be accepted and go unchallenged.

Bernie has stated from the beginning he would not run third party. The DNC
would be where you take your complaint he should not be running on the
Democratic Party ticket.

[DrDan]

104. simple - Bernie did not label himself a Dem, then switched when he thought he could

win the Presidency as a Dem

extremely equivalent . . . unless you want to ignore the equivalency (which I am quite confident of)

[Jefferson23]

111. He is an Independent and transparently was accepted by the DNC to run on our ticket.

Take up your confusion with them.

No one told Clinton to call herself a moderate before she called herself
a progressive.

[DrDan]

114. he WAS an independent - then HE changed

no confusion here

a ridiculous issue anyway - whether one is progressive or moderate should be evaluated in terms of specific issues - not some rolled-up brand.

[Jefferson23]

125. Yea, I guess you missed the way he did that TRANSPARENTLY...to the DNC and they're

good with it, but you evidently feel he is a phony...is that correct?
If so, take your concerns to the DNC.

Where as Hillary says she is a moderate at one time in one place
and then is a progressive in another time and place...not so transparent.

I think people can figure out who is authentic and who is not, I agree.

[DrDan]

129. I don't think he is a phony at all - why try to put words in my mouth?

and I think anyone (Bernie and Hillary included) can be moderate with some issues and progressive with others.

Yep - the folks in Iowa have decided who is authentic.

[Jefferson23]

135. I didn't put any words in your mouth, I asked you a question.

That is not how Hillary framed it either time, she gave herself
two different labels on her overall positions.

[DrDan]

181. as Bernie gave himself two labels - Indy and Dem

[Jefferson23]

185. lol enjoy your obtuse sandwich. n/t

[DrDan]

190. enjoy your denial. n/t

[DrDan]

188. you absolutely did - "you evidently feel he is a phony"

good heavens

[Jefferson23]

192. My post#125, of which I will remind you, you did not post my quote in full.

You snipped at the part you wanted in order to deceive. Stop doing that crap.



125. Yea, I guess you missed the way he did that TRANSPARENTLY...to the DNC and they're

good with it, but you evidently feel he is a phony...is that correct?
If so, take your concerns to the DNC.

Where as Hillary says she is a moderate at one time in one place
and then is a progressive in another time and place...not so transparent.

I think people can figure out who is authentic and who is not, I agree.

[frylock]

157. There's only 30% of you out there, and maybe 5% give a shit about that "issue"

[DrDan]

180. read my post #114

"a ridiculous issue anyway - whether one is progressive or moderate should be evaluated in terms of specific issues - not some rolled-up brand."

[frylock]

193. I agree.

[NurseJackie]

4. That's something about Bernie that's always made me uncomfortable.

Go, Hillary!

[hobbit709]

6. I guess hearing the truth makes you uncomfortable.

[Duckhunter935]

18. he could have caucused with

The Republicans for the last 30 years. He did not did he?

[stonecutter357]

31. +1

[Broward]

5. Is Barbara Boxer calling Hillary, the self-described moderate, a liar?

[Ed Suspicious]

46. Yes.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. Then Hillary is a liar

Since she claimed to be a moderate. That must have been a lie.

Bernie is a progressive every day, which is far more important than some silly party label.

[leftynyc]

40. Bullshit

I'm liberal on some issues, more moderate on others and I've NEVER voted republican. Is it liberal to vote to protect the gun manufacturers the way Bernie has? Does that negate him being a liberal? This is the stupidest thing the Bernie folks have tried to date.

[leftynyc]

59. Get lost newbie

I'll call myself whatever I damn well please. And really, creating an account simply to tell me to fuck off? That's very flattering.

[A Simple Game]

63. I really have a hard time understanding your position on the gun manufacturers.

Explain your logic by responding to the following scenario.

Bobby is mad at Tom and George. He gets into his Chevy truck with his Remington gun and drives towards Tom's house. On the way he spots Tom and George walking down the side of the road. Bobby swerves to the side of the road and hits Tom with his truck killing him instantly but misses George. He then hops out of his truck and shoots George with his Remington gun killing him.

You would let George's family sue Remington but not allow Tom's family to sue GM? Or would you let Tom's family sue GM too?

Seriously please answer this question and let me know your reasoning.

[Fawke Em]

89. Thank you!

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. The fact is, each candidate is progressive on some issues and moderate on others ...

Why is this even an issue?

[leftynyc]

85. Beats the shit out of me

As if we all have to believe the EXACT same things in the EXACT same way or someone will whine about it. Like I said, the stupidest argument the Bernie people have tried to date. And I guess it's okay for someone to tell me to fuck off when I disagree.

Edited: I see the moderators took care of the fuck off post to me. Thanks for that as I had no intention of alerting on it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. I think it a mistake for Bernie's campaign to get into the who is more progressive ...

pissing match, as it merely highlights the candidates' record ... Bernie can tout his "crying in the wilderness"; while, HRC can tout her progressive ACCOMPLISHMENTS (read: talking vs doing).

In my estimation ... another unforced error.

[leftynyc]

126. And very divisive

As I said before - perhaps not on this thread - plenty of people - maybe even most - are more liberal on some issues, more moderate on others (the way Bernie is NO liberal on the gun issue). That's just life and this "I'm more liberal than you" crap just helps republicans.

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. Yep. But I get the sense that ...

that is of little importance for some.

[leftynyc]

173. It's what happens

when people fall in love with the candidate. Always a mistake in politics.

[Nay]

200. Beats the shit out of me, too. I'm a Bernie supporter and no

politician has EVER had exactly the same positions as I do. I just go with the one that fits the best and has shown in past actions that he/she fits the best.

And as far as a couple of Bernie's votes on guns -- I couldn't care less, because the one vote was against a very stupid law that wanted to hold gun manufacturers responsible for what gun owners did with their guns. Stupid. Only if the product is defective should mfg be liable. Another reason I don't care about most politicians' gun stances is that, IMO, nothing that can be done legally has any teeth or will lessen gun deaths unless the 2nd Amendment is changed. Ergo, I don't care about gun laws unless we're talking about changing the 2nd.

[leftynyc]

211. Agree

Until they change the 2nd, we're going to be a gun culture. I don't understand the fetish some people have - I'm not talking about hunters or those who have a gun to protect their home - I'm talking about the ones that have arsenals and search for the black helicopters - I think they're lunatics.

If you asked me my top 10 issues - the supreme court would take up spaces 1-5 - that's how seriously I take it . So either Hillary or Bernie will be fine on that front but I've watched the republicans for decades and they will destroy Bernie - between the socialist label (most Americans couldn't tell you the difference between a communist or socialist to save their lives) and his promise to raise taxes, I really think he would get creamed. He's also too old and far too angry. That's why I'm supporting Hillary.

[Nay]

213. Oh, no problem. We don't have to agree on who to vote for. I

just wanted to say that, for me, I care very little about gun legislation because the 2nd has to be taken care of before we can get any meaningful legislation. As long as no Dem candidate is a frothing gun nut, I'm OK with him/her.

[leftynyc]

214. Same here

Although I do consider it a serious problem, nothing can really be done until the 2nd is repealed or changed. I was simply pointing out that NOBODY agrees with any candidate 100% - that's the nature of politics and I'm fine with that (Good Heavens, I still remember the primary wars of 2008 when then Sen Obama supporters were railing at those of us supporting Hillary because Obama WAS SO MUCH MORE LIBERAL. We tried to tell them there was virtually no difference between the two but they had to learn the hard way). If I thought Bernie had even a small chance of getting his agenda through congress, it would be different, if I thought the republicans wouldn't pervert his positions until they're unrecognizable (and with citizens united, they can do that anonymously), that would be different also. But I don't and they will.

I know what's important to me and vote accordingly - that's why I'm a Democrat.

[Motown_Johnny]

117. She called herself a moderate. Was that a lie or not?

If not then is it a lie when she calls herself a progressive?

She made no distinction concerning issues.

[leftynyc]

130. Did you NOT read what I just wrote

The EXACT same way Bernie is more moderate on the gun issue and yet you still call him a liberal, Hillary is liberal on some issues and more moderate on others. This isn't a difficult concept for most people. Calling her a moderate on women's issues is nothing but a lie.

[Motown_Johnny]

134. Yes I did. Now answer the question.

I am staying on topic as you try to change it.


Does she lie when she calls herself a moderate or does she lie when she calls herself a progressive?

[leftynyc]

142. I did answer the question

She's a moderate on some issues and progressive on others - just like Bernie. If the topic is guns, Bernie is a moderate, not a liberal. Why are you having trouble with this very simple concept that not everyone is a cartoon version of a liberal?

[Motown_Johnny]

144. I am not asking your opinion on if she is a progressive or moderate.

I am asking about the accuracy of her statements.


Is she lying when she calls herself a moderate or is she lying when she calls herself a progressive?


She doesn't break it down by issue. She makes these big blanket statements that contradict each other. One is a lie.

[leftynyc]

148. LOL - what utter crap

You hear what you want to hear and obviously so enthralled with your candidate that you can't accept nuance. That's entirely your problem. I'm done with you.

[Motown_Johnny]

175. I am questioning her honesty. Nothing else.

She made no nuanced statement. She made direct statements claiming to be contradictory things.

At least one is a lie.

You may not care about her dishonesty, but others do.

[betsuni]

8. K&R

[Odin2005]

10. Sanders is right, the anti-gun nuts are wrong.

[islandmkl]

11. the 'Democrat' that Boxer refers to is not the 'Democrat' of 30 years ago, either...

she means the DLC/Third Way model that is merely RepublicanLite™, except rhetorically, but definitely in practice...

I forgot where Barbara complained about Bernie caucusing with the Dems all these years...

[KingCharlemagne]

39. Thread win! Does anyone really think Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt would have

anything to do with today's Republican Party?

FFS.

[VulgarPoet]

12. Party loyalty to a near-right wing tribe of neoliberals

does not a Democrat make. I am proud that Bernie won't let a label in the way of his convictions.

[ejbr]

53. Thank you!

Democrats are MORE progressive than Republicans, but so is Donald Trump.

[ucrdem]

14. Massive win.

Hill kills it.

[MattSh]

16. If believing delusional crap is your thing...

have at it. You AND Barbara.

[DCBob]

17. Nice!

[RiverLover]

20. Being a global lobbyist for Big Business as Sec of State was anything but progressive

Hillary Clinton is very aware of the advantages of being Hillary Clinton, and didn’t seek permission when she not-so-subtly encroached on the Commerce Department’s turf to install herself as the government’s highest-ranking business lobbyist. On her scores of overseas trips—at 956,733 miles and 401 days on the road, she is the most-traveled secretary of state—she’s made pitching U.S. companies part of her routine.

Clinton has directed a lot of her attention to opening new markets for the U.S. in the developing world, where China is establishing a significant presence. Chinese companies have poured capital into poor regions of Africa where foreign aid from Washington once gave the U.S. leverage. In resource-rich countries such as Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, U.S. companies have recently lost major contracts to state-subsidized Chinese outfits.

In the global economic order that emerged after World War II, the U.S. and its allies took American dominance for granted. They “did not envision China as the second-biggest economy in the world,” Clinton says. She doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with China’s desire to extend its reach. “I don’t hold that against them,” she says. “I just hold it against us if we’re not out there pushing back.”

She’s pressed the case for U.S. business in Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries in China’s shadow. She’s also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors. The State Department even has had limited success in prying open Chinese markets to U.S. companies. In 2011, after extensive haggling with U.S. Ambassador to China Gary Locke, the Chinese government allowed Titanic 3D and other Hollywood movies to be shown in Beijing theaters. And that same year, after talks with Clinton, the Chinese relaxed so-called indigenous innovation rules that kept U.S. companies from competing for government technology contracts there. “Not that they would ever admit that the Americans—that the secretary—said this, and therefore [they] changed,” says Clinton, who’s been careful not to brag too loudly about these deals. “A lot of this you cannot claim, because then you kind of force the people on the other side to lose face.”

For U.S. companies overseas, a personal appeal from Clinton opens doors and unravels red tape....

Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at the State Department

She's a conservative who works hard every day for Moneyed Interests.

Not Progressive, its very republican though.

[all american girl]

74. You do know that is kind of one of State's job? My husband worked with an

embassy (he's in the military), so he worked with State people, and that's one of the things they do. The make relationships with the host country and build bridges with US companies. This was under Bush. I'm not getting this.

[RiverLover]

115. Actually,

The U.S. government has traditionally left that kind of advocacy to the Department of Commerce, a third-tier agency without much pull.

And with Hillary, we had her foundation taking money from the very countries & companies she was helping as SoS.

Corruption on steroids. But she's a "Clinton" so like everything else, Democrats are supposed to excuse.

[all american girl]

158. I'm not sure, but I do know that our ambassador was fostering relationships with

the host nation and companies, and again, this was under Bush....in 2004.

[Cleita]

201. That has always bothered me about the State Department.

They are always there to protect American corporate interests. The interests and security of individual Americans not so much. As a matter of fact they often tell you to look after yourself and not expect much from them.

[all american girl]

205. I'm not sure what you mean by securty.

If you have a problem you call the embassy, and they will help you out as much as they can....depending of the situation and local laws. My husband only had to deal with lost passports when he had duty (weekends and after hours). All I have to say is that Americans are strange. They go all the way to Europe and go eat at a KFC , and lose or their passport gets stolen....at KFC or Burger King. I just don't get it.

[Cleita]

210. Look at the American journalists kidnapped and beheaded for

doing a job. There isn't much of an effort to rescue them. However, if it's an oil exec or other industry important to the MIC endangered they are right there.

[Recursion]

240. My wife has duty every other month or so

Some of the stuff Americans do overseas.... oy.

[pinebox]

21. The same Barbara Boxer who took Hillary to task over her Iraq war vote?

She is getting ripped apart on twitter over her comments. Good, she should be. https://twitter.com/barbaraboxer/status/694980415287758848
I am glad she is stepping down this year.

Hey Barb, we see you!

[KingCharlemagne]

42. Hillary helped push the coup in Honduras that sent many of those children

fleeing to the U.S. She now supports sending those children back to the murderous conditions she herself helped create. What else would one expect from an erstwhile Goldwater Girl and Rockefeller Republican (at Wellesley)?

[Puglover]

153. Excellent!

Barbs forgot a few issues and looks like a few folks have different opinions.

[frylock]

163. Brace yourself for accusations of vicious attacks On Sen Boxer.

Just look at how awful and insulting those tweets are!

[pinebox]

164. lol

[cali]

23. More like whimper than boom. Hill and Barb are related through

marriage or they were. And boxer's grandson is Hillary's nephew.

[Gamecock Lefty]

24. I'm cool . . .

with Hillary being a moderate on some issues and liberal on others.

Besides I like Hillary better than Bernie which is why she gets my vote. And if I was hesitant at all, after reading all these anti-Hillary comments on DU I would have moved firmly to her side anyway.

So thank you, Berniebots - you have mobilized me even more so to vote for Hillary! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Armstead]

35. I'm glad your beliefs are so strong that some posters on a message boards can sway you

[bread_and_roses]

62. I know - that always makes me LOL

Forget ethics, forget policy, forget integrity, forget the record, forget the common good or the fate of the earth even - I'm voting for the war-mongering, corporatist, friend of fracking & cluster-bombs because someone said something mean on an anonymous message board.

[Ed Suspicious]

50. Way to hold true to core principles.

[Vote2016]

25. Clinton ought not push this theme because it calls attention to her proud claim to be a moderate on

September 10 in Ohio which is on video which gets played side-by-side with the video of faux outrage about her being called a moderate.

This is not as bad as the side-by-side videos about false claims about sniper fire in Bosnia compared with the actual footage, but Clinton does not need MORE examples of side-by-side examples of disingenuous statements.

This is an example of why she starts out with 40% of the voting population saying her dishonesty is her defining characteristic. You cannot win a general election with that. Clinton needs the repair her identification as the most dishonest candidate, and this argument is doubling down on her greatest weakness.

[RiverLover]

28. Here are the videos~

And here is a "lying compilation" for ease in seeing many of her "inconsistencies" in one short vid~

[Vote2016]

34. OUCH!

[Go Vols]

118. except when shes a moderate

lol

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. Says noted Corporatist Blue-Dog DLC DINO Conservadem Barbara Boxer

[ericson00]

29. well said. And under the bus Boxer goes

n/t

[Fawke Em]

44. After making that statement, she belongs there.

And I don't generally throw people under the bus. Guess I'll have to to Tweet to her how petty she just sounded.

[stonecutter357]

30. K&R!

[JRLeft]

32. Neither Hillary or Barbara are progressive everyday. Both are funded by

Wall Street.

[alarimer]

36. Bernie is a bigger Democrat than any member of the party.

Corporate tools, to a man (and woman).

[Nanjeanne]

41. BOOM: would Boxer prefer he caucus with the Rpublicans on some days

Instead of Democrats on every day.

[Fawke Em]

43. Wow. Barb's gone over to the dark side.

I remember when she used to be a liberal.

[mcar]

47. K&R

[Geronimoe]

49. Bernie doesn't take brides

he is a game changer and this worries those Democrat who are taking bribes. Ir makes no difference what Party affiliation you have when taking bribes, because you are not working for the people's best interest. If you doing the work of the people, you would be like Bernie and not getting and/or willing to take specual interest money.

[Nay]

199. Yeah, cuz he's already married. lol. nt

[roody]

51. Barbara knows where her bread is buttered.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. "Boom"? Don't you mean "splat"?

Hillary is a progressive when her polls indicate she should say she is.

[Roland99]

54. WRONG. Bernie is a Progressive. Hillary is a DLC/Third Way corporate lackey, always.

proof is in the pudding.

[Omaha Steve]

55. Boom! Hillary did fund raisers for Boxer when she was in jeopardy of LOSING

Not exactly a neutral voice. She owes Hillary BIGTIME!

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/e98/ca/ca002.htm

Boxer in trouble, Clinton and all

LOS ANGELES - Try saying it fast: California Democrat Barbara Boxer is the mother of the sister-in-law of President Clinton's wife.

YOU brought up guns. Snip: And while Feinstein became identified with legislation banning assault weapons, Boxer has failed to link herself to any one issue of similar appeal.

Boxer, meanwhile, has turned to the Clintons for help in raising the $10 million she says she needs to run nonstop TV ads about schools and guns. Hillary Clinton has flown in four times to speak at fund-raising functions, most recently a San Francisco event last week that raised $200,000. The president also appeared with Boxer last week at Los Angeles fund-raising functions - off-limits to news photographers - and will return for another this month.

[Bubzer]

177. +1

[azmom]

234. [phone]

[hobbit709]

56. Did Boxer look in the mirror when she said "some days"

[Bjornsdotter]

57. Hillary has called herself a moderate

....and a centrist. Was she lying?

I'm really, really good with Bernie not being a Democrat.

[blackspade]

60. Well, if you redefine 'progressive' to mean maintaining the status quo.....

[nxylas]

61. Well, at least she's discussing issues for a change

Well, an issue, anyway.

[2pooped2pop]

69. And Boxer only wants to fix things when dems have no power to do anything

When they do have power Boxer and others don't seem to want to act. Only when it's time for their own elections do they seem to see problems that they can fix if we keep them in power. They are election time progressives, and compromising pragmatics the rest of the time.

May they all have true progressives running against every one of them.

Work for the people or get the hell out. ALL OF THEM

[AzDar]

71. Even on the days she REFERS to HERSELF as MODERATE? (yeah, didn't think so)

Boom!

[Bread and Circus]

72. She was a progressive on the day she Voted for the Iraq War?

What a pack of lies.

[Nedsdag]

76. Didn't she campaign for Joe Lieberman?

Wasn't he a Democrat "some days" as well?

[monicaangela]

77. Democrat, Progressive, Independent, Progressive

So if a person declares themselves to be independent does that mean they can never change that title and become affiliated with one of the two dominate parties? How many times have you ever heard someone say, I belong to the independent party? I would guess not too many, because usually when a person says they are Independent, they don't mean I'm a member of the independent party, they mean I weigh the issues and vote according to my assessment of the situation. Democrats often vote with republicans, and independents often vote with democrats and republicans on certain policies. Bernie Sanders has earned the right to say, I will, because of my past voting record run for president as a democrat, after all, who has he caucused with since becoming a congressman?

If you will remember Joe Liebermann, you will know from his record during his time in congress ran whichever way the wind was blowing, one day caucusing with democrats, the next with republicans and he ran for president as a democrat with less friction than Bernie is getting.

Would you rather have had Bernie Sanders run as an Independent? I don't believe he would have had to do this rigorous primary, and would have IMHO in the end been a Ralph Nader effect in the General. I would say be glad Sanders is running as a democrat, and if he is the preference of the majority of democrats then throw your support behind him and help the democratic party win the White House. It is for sure, those of us who agree with the principals of the democratic party do not want to see a republican in the White House.

[Fawke Em]

80. Didn't her daughter marry Hillary's brother?

Oh, yeah... and she's getting her butt handed to her on Twitter.

[riversedge]

98. Probably more toddler type Sander fans comments. Those comments are NOT progressive. Shameful

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:55 AM - Edit history (1)

would be the word for so many on-line comment from Sander fans. And what is more shameful is that you laugh and brag about this.

[frylock]

167. You didn't even look at the comments, did you?

[daleanime]

82. ......

[MynameisBlarney]

84. How is Hillary a progressive, exactly?

Not trying to be snarky. I really want to know.

[randr]

86. This is the very same logic

that gives the lowest rating numbers for our congressional members.

[LexVegas]

92. Burn. nt

[wyldwolf]

93. Under the bus with you, babs!

I remember when you were a progressive hero on DU, now you're a plutocrat DLC oligarch poopy head. LOL.

[OxQQme]

105. Remember the room full of red roses?

I want the dozen I sent back.

[DesertRat]

94. k&r

[AgingAmerican]

95. She says she is a mushy 'moderate' centrist

Whatever that is

[thereismore]

102. Barbara Boxer is right on most days. Not sure about some days like yesterday. nt

[Rebkeh]

103. For whom is the government going to work?

What, exactly, does democracy mean?

[DesertRat]

107. K&R

[RoccoR5955]

108. Is that why she started off as a RepubliCON?

I guess that today's Democrats are yesterday's RepubliCONs maybe?

[left-of-center2012]

109. Boxer is part of the Washington establishment

"Barbara Boxer is an American politician who has a net worth of $5 million dollars."
She wants to keep the status quo.

[yellowwoodII]

113. I Don't Care

I don't care about labels.
I don't care about gender.
What I care about is integrity.
What I care is about someone who understands that wars hurt us all and some more than others. (Hillary voted for Iraq; Bernie didn't. Either she voted expediently or she exercised poor judgment.)
What I care about is the great disparity between the billionaire class and the rest of us.

[Bleacher Creature]

116. Boxer is the best.

Going to be really sorry to lose her in the Senate.

[Trajan]

119. Barbary is apparently a liar

Progressives will tell you if Hillary is or is not one of them ...

THIS Progressive has always believed her to be more to the right than I desire ... Willing to sell out the middle class on the holy altar of 'bipartisanship' ...

Bipartisanship - where Democrats try to work with republicans, and where republicans plunge their democratic counterpart's faces into the mud ...

Why is it we always got the shit end of THAT stick?

And THAT'S why we don't care to 'work with the other party' ... Democratic Party weakness has been killing us slowly ... Enough IS enough

[amborin]

120. total balderdash

[retrowire]

121. What's in a name?

"Democrat" is merely a title in which the defining content seems to be changing all the time with Hillary and the Party itself.

Meanwhile progressive still means the same thing it's always meant, and Hillary ain't that.

More "Be loyal to the Democratic title!" bullshit.

[CoffeeCat]

123. And because Hillary takes corporate campaign donations--she's a slave to the corporations EVERYDAY

whereas Bernie will spend NOT ONE DAY being beholden to Wall Street and other powerful corporate interests.

Bernie is more of a Democrat that Hillary could ever hope to be.

Democrats don't name the founder of the neocon movement (Robert Kagan) as one of their closest advisors. She did so when she was Secretary of State. Democrats don't help the neocons by turning Libya into a failed state that can be easily controlled. That's was Clinton did as SOS. She spearheaded the fall of Libya and converted it into a bastion of failure, suffering and a vacuum for terrorist activity to breed.

The neocons--named Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya--as countries they want to control and overrun in order to assert United States dominance in the Middle East.

Democrats don't use their position as Secretary of State to cater to the whims of the neocons--the biggest sociopaths on the planet.

[merrily]

124. How awful of Boxer to call Hillary a liar.

[SidDithers]

128. DU rec for...nt

Sid

[Lint Head]

131. So. Divide and conquer. If this doesn't stop now we are in for a GOP President.

[Betty Karlson]

137. Wow: another Third Way democrat attacking Bernie Sanders?

I guess the Iowa results have left the establishment very uncomfortable.

[tex-wyo-dem]

139. Oh Barb...

You've truly been one of my favorite Senators for a long, long time.

But you're wrong on this...Bernie is just stating what Hill has said in her own words.

Never thought I would say this, but maybe it's good you're retiring while your still ahead.

[Bradical79]

140. Hillary being a progressive "every day" is pretty hyperbolic

I like Barbara Boxer, but the first part of that statement is rediculously hyperbolic, and the 2nd part... well, I'd like to know what she means by that. He chose to be a Democrat rather than destroy the GE as a third party candidate and gave us a more liberal option in the party. He's followed the rules set forth by the DNC despite very legitimate criticisms. In his short time as a Democrat, he's been a better Dem than a pretty good chunk of the party.

[Nay]

203. Just what I was going to say. He's been very honest about his actions,

why he did what he did, and did it all according to Dem Party rules. He said he would NOT run as a third party candidate because he did not want to split the vote in the GE. He is doing all this -- not for himself -- but for the party and the people as a whole.

[Old Crow]

143. FIZZLE! No, she's not. Good try, though. (N/T)

[frylock]

149. Wow. So two votes on one polarizing issue, and that makes Hillary a progressive every day?

[PeaceNikki]

159. The most fundamental part of progressive is “progress”. She effects progress.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1473138/-Progressive-Praise-for-Hillary-Clinton-From-a-Bernie-Supporter

[basselope]

160. What Barbara Boxer fails to understand is that him not siding with the democrats on every issue

Is EXACTLY what makes him great.

People > Party.

[pandr32]

165. There are many times where Sanders voted conservatively than progressive

One example that stands out, and not mentioned above, is the "nay" vote he gave to deny a tax exemption for married couples that would have benefited lower and middle class families by doubling the tax exemption singles claim--it discriminates against married people who get less of an exemption and with all the expenses of a family...struggle. He talks about our struggling middle class all the time.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

172. Barbara Boxer has joined the trolls?

She's gonna get an earful.

[hueymahl]

179. And your mother wears combat boots

See, it is easy to call people names and make claims when you don't have to support them.

[BlueCaliDem]

184. K&R! LOVE my Senator - the only one who stood with the CBC in 2004 to protest

the re-election of Duhbya Bush!

[bkkyosemite]

186. Moderate/Middle.....then Bernie started showing up and

Progressive.......millions from Wall Street/Banks they will want access to her like they did to all others. Change is what is needed not the same thing. Obama promised change then bowed to the Insurance and Pharma...........the change I voted for did not happen. Some small things but he is with TPP and corporate illegal America. Hillary is a Clinton and she is not to be trusted. No more royalty.

I want real change. Only Bernie has the truth in this election.

[mmonk]

195. F*ck you back.

[Gothmog]

196. I stand with and agree with Senator Boxer

I agree with and stand with Senator Boxer

[dragonfly301]

197. Typical third way shortsightedness

Wonder where the progressive leaders of tomorrow will come from? Hint: they aren't Hillary supporters or Boxer supporters or Claire McCaskill or Terry McCaullife supporters. Take a look at the multitude of thousands of young people that attend Bernie's events, go over to his subreddit and witness the young people organizing for him. They are the future of our party, or will be if we let them. Pray that they don't become disenfranchised by privileged, older, corporate sponsored politicians who currently are in power. Bernie is saving the Democratic Party from the cancer that it has become. Boxer should be ashamed of herself.

[Cheese Sandwich]

202. Petition to ban threads that start with the word BOOM

[katsy]

204. I don't care. Primary season is silly season.

In the end,,, regardless of the nominee, Democrats will support our common cause.

I hate primary season. THINK people... there is not one candidate ever that everyone agrees with. No different than families. It's human nature. We aren't carbon copies of one another.

I don't agree with any candidate 100% and yet I am now and forever a democrat. I fucking hate crucifying our own.

I still love boxer and she'll work tirelessly if Bernie is our nominee.

[NurseJackie]

206. She's a gem!

She's always reminded me a little of Rita Moreno. (Maybe it's just the glasses.) What do you think?

[mhatrw]

208. Moreno's politics are far more attractive than Beltway Boxer's.

http://blog.wenn.com/all-news/rita-moreno-donald-trump-is-a-walking-circus/

And the actress admits she’ll be voting for Democrat Bernie Sanders, who is slightly ahead of Hillary Clinton to win the vote as the frontrunner for his party.

She adds, “Bernie is my guy. It was Hillary, but I just love him. I don’t know if he’ll really get to that point, but I’m gonna do my best to support the person I think is the very best person for the job.”

[mhatrw]

207. Great one liner, especially if written for Bob Hope!

Zing!

[cui bono]

209. How one person chooses to define the words "progressive" and "Democrat" doesn't matter.

What matters is the two candidate's records and Bernie's is by far the most progressive and liberal record.

And Bernie embraces and fights for the traditional values and principles the Democratic Party was founded on, the FDR type policies that help the working people. Hillary embraces and fights for the DLC/Third Way values and principles of the Dem Party, the corporate friendly ones and she takes money from the banksters and health insurance industries.

Barbara Boxer is simply wrong about this. It's not the first time she's been wrong.

.

[polichick]

212. Well, Bernie is more old-school Dem and Clinton more Third Way "Dem" so...

The choice is ours.

[EndElectoral]

219. IWR, TPP, Iran negotiations, Keystone, Single Payer, Wall St....yeah, she's a real progressive.

[Vinca]

222. Senator Boxer should be grateful Bernie is running as a Democrat.

That gives her chosen candidate a chance if she's the nominee. If Bernie was running as a third party candidate he would be a spoiler and the GOP would have an easy win. As for progressive, Hillary has only claimed the title for the last week or so. Before she bragged she was a moderate.

[SoCalMusicLover]

226. Women Stick Together

I love Barbara Boxer, but it would have surprised me 100% more if she had come out in support of Bernie.

No shock here....no shock at all.

[intheflow]

228. All congressional legislation is complicated.

Anyone who tells you different is either a simpleton, lying, or trying to sell you something. Clinton is not a simpleton.

[Number23]

230. "Boom" indeed

[Warren DeMontague]

231. Except the days she's voting for the IWR or saying "marriage is a sacred bond between

a man and a woman"

I guess those days don't count.

[great white snark]

236. Suck it up Bernie you chose to leave the safety of vanilla independents.

We live in a big tent.

[Dems2002]

239. I don't get the Boom

I know we're all passionate and partisan voters. Many of us here have been part of local Democratic Clubs and are active as part of the party structure of the Democratic Party. But we are a minuscule portion of the electorate, including the many who just so happen to be registered Democrats.

Over the years, Independents and/or DTS's have become the largest voting block. I think it would have been a disaster for the Democratic nominee had Bernie Sanders chosen to run for President as an Independent, and I'm thankful he didn't choose that path rather than pissed at him for choosing to run as a Democrat, a label I have had my entire life as a registered voter.

But I'm a Democrat because of the values Democrats supposedly have, not because of the Party. In point of fact, I think DC Dems are often as much a part of the problem as the solution, so Bernie and I are in agreement on that front.

I think attacking Bernie for not being a member of the party only hurts him with a minuscule portion of the electorate, while giving him street cred with the rest.

[m-lekktor]

246. Boom means Riversedge thinks what Barbara Boxer says is a big deal.

establishment DEM utterances are important to the Hillary people apparently.

[aikoaiko]

243. Seth Myers observed something similar.

Seth: "Hillary said the word 'progressive' 15 times in the last debate. Does she want to be President or Flo?"

[Aerows]

244. I hear some booms alright. n/t