2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton stumbles on Wall Street question at CNN town hall
The night featured few fireworks, but Clinton found herself on the defensive when presented with one of Sanders key talking points: that she shouldnt have taken high amounts of speaking fees from Goldman Sachs.
Well, I don't know. Thats what they offered, she said when asked whether she needed to be paid for three speeches amounting to $675,000, which Sanders often points to as evidence that she is beholden to Wall Street. "Every secretary of state that I know has done that."
...Theyre not giving me that much money now, she said, adding that many of her donations are from small donor, many of them women and that she "wasn't committed" to running for president when she agreed to give the speeches in question.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-progressive-attacks-218721
What else will they offer her? So much for being a champion.
Here's the video:
merrily
(45,251 posts)They were already paid in full by repeal of Glass Steagall, the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, Tarps I and II and executive bonuses. They couldn't possibly want more!
Could they?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Be transparent. Show us the words that are worth that amount.
No reporter, no tape recorder is allowed in the room as I understand it. So what did she say to Goldman-Sachs?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)She can't be trusted.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)In that exchange
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hillary fumbled it, coughed up the puck in front of her own net...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Makes me wonder if -- in light of Iowa -- CNN realizes Bernie may just be our next president,
and deserves the respect that goes with that probability.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)They paid her, repeatedly. Speaking fees and campaign donations.
It's called money laundering.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)"Clinton Defends Wall Street Speaking Fees: Thats What They Offered", The Hill, Feb. 4, 2016
Speaking at CNNs Democratic presidential forum, anchor Anderson Cooper pressed Clinton on whether it had been a mistake for her to reel in more than $200,000 per speech for three speeches to the Wall Street giant.
"Look, I made speeches to lots of groups. I told them what I thought. I answered questions," Clinton said.
But did you have to be paid $675,000?, Cooper asked.
Well I dont know, Clinton responded. Thats what they offered.
The crowd burst into laughter as Clinton explained that every secretary of State I know has done that.
Cooper shot back that usually the secretary of State is not preparing to run for president.
To be honest I wasnt committed to running, Clinton said. I didnt know whether I would run or not.
Clinton said she would not be influenced by the money.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-defends-wall-street-speaking-fees-%e2%80%98that%e2%80%99s-what-they-offered%e2%80%99/ar-BBp6s5H?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=spartandhp
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)who she's speaking to and why, is mind-boggling. (Or should I have left my typo: mind-gobbling?)
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)down and trying to come up with some sort of answer........
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Whether what she said was true or not is for the viewer to decide.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Lying through her teeth.. 'No I wasn't planning on running...'
Right, dude."
And all the rest of that bumbling answer....
She looked and sounded embarrassed to have to answer the $$ question.
The body English says it all..
plus5mace
(140 posts)Not bribes as in campaign contributions, but cash in her bank account in exchange for at most a few days work, and probably not even that. Sadly this is typical, but most politicians at least wait until after they retire to get paid.
msongs
(67,413 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Be sure to take your written/verified proof with you.
merrily
(45,251 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)I guess the reasoning is, if she were a man, you'd be happy to have a President indebted to Goldman Sachs, among others.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)should be her best friends oops. except the Right eat their own now
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, ram.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)she needs to keep practicing. It's going to get a lot worse.
But everyone has an off night.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)it because it was her turn. She has lived in a bubble for decades not even having to worry about the small stuff, getting the laundry done, cooking, budgeting and the rest. She has no idea about a lot so she has no idea about how she looks and sounds. This is a big surprise to her, having to work for it and she isn't ready, doesn't like it and never will. She is at best a terrible candidate and terrible at the business of doing the work of getting elected.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Here she goes rattling off all of the "achievements of the 1990's.
Which is fine, but that also means that Hillary shouldn't mind when that record from the 1990's is criticized.
Either she takes some credit (and therefore, some criticism) of what happened in the 1990's or she doesn't.
She can't take credit for the good stuff and then ry foul when people bring up the not-so-good stuff from the 1990's.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)If Bernie or any other man was paid that much for speaking they would be congratulated by everyone for taking money from rich people.
So much hypocrisy so little awareness.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Not a sexist question at all especially considering her campaign funding.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She's a woman so she isn't entitled to speaking fees.
merrily
(45,251 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Goldman fucking Sachs.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)As a woman it really offends me to call this criticism sexist. Wow.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)sorechasm
(631 posts)"Every secretary of state that I know has done that."
I'd like to know how SOS Kerry feels about that accusation.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Honestly, you get that, right?
eridani
(51,907 posts)--amoral shitstains who crashed our economy, regardless of race, creed color gender or sexual orientation.
What? Seriously?
frylock
(34,825 posts)IT IS A SEXIST QUESTION.
You are welcome.
frylock
(34,825 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Speaking of one trick ponies...you support a man who has been giving the same speech for 50 years. I guess you are easily entertained.
Meanwhile, I am bored.
Done
frylock
(34,825 posts)FIFY
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Major Nikon
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Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)should take a step back and a deep breath. The poster wasn't attacking a user name, they were giving tribute to it.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)And get a clue.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)And we keep electing people that don't fix the problem. But you knew that, right?
tblue37
(65,391 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)The only problem with that logic is who in the world would pay ANYTHING to hear Bernie speak?
You do have a point. The same speech for 50 years won't sell any chicken dinners.
senz
(11,945 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:16 AM - Edit history (1)
840high
(17,196 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
I resent how how you are twisting feminism. This kind of twist really hurts the cause. She's being criticized because it looks rotten. Period.
Not one Progressive would ever congratulate a man who was in a position of power for taking money from rich people.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)When presented with actual, factual data on Hillary's history, her supporters cry "sexism." I guess that's today's version of calling someone a communist.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)she's being anti Semitic about it face palm
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)you should be ashamed of yourself.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Oh my fucking Bernie-Bro God?
I kind of find the whole Berni-Bro thing just a touch sexist, not that I would ever make a big deal of it's use. Now if I called Hillary a Goldman-Sachs licker, THAT would be sexist. Like calling republicans Koch-suckers.
senz
(11,945 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)LOL!
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I win!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh, wait, you're serious.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)...and made it her own.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Though most of us call it stealing or weathervaning and makes her a follower, not a leader.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)I never miss an election, and in 48 years I have always chosen the Democrat over the Republican, and have never left a blank space or written in Mickey Mouse.
Pigs will fly.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Or, I could get the Wal-Mart knock off brand but why not just get the original?
senz
(11,945 posts)Twirling and slithering and pretending are just. so. brilliant.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)global1
(25,251 posts)Don't speakers typically set their own rates? Wow - What a weasely answer.
frylock
(34,825 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The offer is made usually through a manager and is either accepted or denied.
merrily
(45,251 posts)What a low insinuation.
Wait! Could it be they offered that because they knew what her fee was?
Nah. It must be something more random.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And yes I think it is another lie. She had a minimum fee from what I read.
frylock
(34,825 posts)knr
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)The exact same way, "that is what they offered."
I know what my reaction would be.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)"None of your damn business. Now sit down and shut up or get the hell out."
His response would be more obnoxious.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)That's playing so naive. Like When the Mafia Godfather offers someone money it is always understood that he might need a favor someday. To play dumb in this situation is to once again insult our intelligence.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)While answering that question.
senz
(11,945 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)or rhetorically?
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Anderson asks the question and Hillary takes a step back. Then she steps back two more times while answering, until there is a very wide space between them on stage.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I will watch for that kind of body language.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)my ass.
What a crock.
Volaris
(10,271 posts)Her ambition isnt something to be derided; I admire it.
Its not her Motives that are the problem, and she shouldnt apologize either for her Methods being Madness... because Madness is what was REQUIRED of her.
What Bermie's campaign is about, is ENDING the Madness, rather than just being the best at embracing it. THAT'S what is not registering with her (at least, that's my sense of it).
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Spent in Iowa buying a tie vote.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Everything she says is a gaffe. She does not think things through. She is such a terrible campaigner.
If anyone is really worried about electibility and SCOTUS they better vote for Bernie. Hillary can not win the general.
.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)It's the only way the (non) Progressive "gets things done!!!" http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies
silenttigersong
(957 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)
That these SHARKS on Wall Street would have paid Hillary Clinton that much without knowing she was running for President.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)at least that way, only the true believers would get burnt for the $$$ and would, for some reason, feel the speech/message was worth it...
jfern
(5,204 posts)But currency manipulator George Soros gave her SuperPACs $8 million.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)This is why her campaign e-mails have been killing themselves to get $1 dollar donations. Statistically, she then CAN say that 90% OF the donations.
Now let's look at how that figure that gets skewed when answering, "what's you average donation?"
This is why the mean, median and mode are helpful in statistics.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)And " ... they're not giving me much money now ... " like that makes it OK?
How about 'I refuse to take any money from them, have returned all previous payments and will not hire their lobbyists as advisers to my campaign'? Is that too hard to say? Too hard of a concept to embrace?
Jesus, the status quo HAS GOT TO CHANGE.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)If you even think it, you don't do these things. But she's untouchable. So she thinks. This is such a bad clip, you actually watch her lie.