For God sakes don't take a drink for every time she says "I" or "me"

[notadmblnd]

You'll die of alcohol poisoning before this is over.

[metroins]

1. Has nothing to do with Hillary

All candidates use I and me.

[notadmblnd]

2. I'm pretty certain I heard Sanders use "we" more than "I" or "me."

[MADem]

6. Yeah, and if she used "we" they'd accuse her of using the "Royal we."

Here's what I think about this kind of nitpicking....

We are NOT amused!!!




In other words....

[notadmblnd]

9. No, we'd be thinking that maybe she gives a shit what the American people actually think

She's making it pretty clear to me that the only person she gives a shit about- is herself.

[MADem]

15. Oh sure, whatever.

I get it--you don't like her.



But you lower yourself --and no one else-- when you say things like that.

[notadmblnd]

20. There is nothing wrong with expressing how she comes across

Focusing on herself to the point of excluding everyone else- does send a message.

So? You're higher on the moral ladder than I am. La-de-dah.

But thanks for taking it personal.

[MADem]

38. That's why you're getting so much pushback in this thread, because there's "nothing wrong" with your

conduct.

Mmm hmmm!

Someone's "sending a message" all right...AND "taking it personal," too!

[notadmblnd]

41. just from you and what? maybe two others?

[MADem]

45. You're not getting much "rah-rah." That's because what you are saying is meanspirited. nt

[notadmblnd]

108. Perhaps you'd like to lecture this guy cause he's basically saying the same thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511135822

Axelrod sums it up perfectly
" In answering question about why young should vote for her, @HillaryClinton spends too much time talking about HER & not THEM. #DemTownHall "

If she is the nominee she is going to have to fix this

[MADem]

114. Axelrod isn't making snarky comments on DU--it's not the same thing at all.

It's the difference between being churlish and childish, and offering a POV as to the way a candidate comports herself.

Maybe you should try being more like "that guy?"

It would certainly make for a change.

[notadmblnd]

116. There's no rule against snarky comments

as long as it's not personal. If there is, please point it out to me.

[MADem]

122. No one said there was.

By your words, though, we shall know you.

You can't be compared to Axelrod--he's comporting himself in a respectful manner while expressing an opinion about HRC's communication skills.

You're mocking and snarking--and you're proud of it, too.

There's an obvious difference.

[notadmblnd]

124. That's the second time you've borrowed from scripture and it's inaccurate

I didn't ask you to compare me to Axelrod, he's a talking head that's on TV. I'm not. I said he's basically saying the same thing as I said. Was he more tactful? Yes.

Life is not fair and sometimes it's even cruel. Especially on the internets and one needs to be tough to weather it. If you are unable to overcome your sense of being offended- perhaps you could just put me on ignore?

I sincerely hope you don't suffer any lasting emotional scars from my snarky comment in regards to Hillary's obsession with herself. Maybe have a cup of tea and try to sleep? Things might not seem so awful with the new day.

[notadmblnd]

118. I will when you do. Deal?

[MADem]

120. I don't make deals with people who conduct themselves like you're doing in this thread. nt

[notadmblnd]

125. You're not behaving any better.

You know you could just move on? I'm not holding anyone prisoner.

[oasis]

47. You should be thanking your lucky stars Hillary wants to run.

She aims to make life better for all Americans by putting herself through the nerve wracking process of seeking the nomination. Her only prize will be 4 or, hopefully 8 more years of public service, no matter how ungrateful some might be for the decisions she makes for the good of all.

It would be easy enough for her to kick back and enjoy the comfortable life she so richly deserves.

[notadmblnd]

50. lol, now that is the comedy quip of the night.

[frylock]

93. You don't deserve Hillary!

[notadmblnd]

95. You're absolutely right. I don't! No one does.

[840high]

52. Gosh - now that's funny.

[earthside]

76. Wow. Hillary looks really old and glum in these photos.

Nice hat, though.

[MADem]

112. What does that even mean?

Is that an "age" joke? A "demeanor" joke?

Probably not too swift a tactic, given the age and appearance of her opponent...

[Contrary1]

109. Probably not the best picture to use given the subject. n/t

[MADem]

111. It's the perfect picture.

They love to throw that "Queen" crap at her anyway; the minute she used "we" they'd accuse her of using the ROYAL We.

This thread is really something else, I gotta say. It's probably not DU's finest hour by a long shot.

[MissDeeds]

10. Yep, and "you"

as in "you, the people that the government is supposed to serve".

[Hekate]

60. You're "pretty certain"? Are "we" planning to sit in the Oval Office, or is "he"?

[notadmblnd]

64. Re-read the thread then come back and re-ask that question.

[Melissa G]

3. not as much as she does. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

4. +1

[one_voice]

5. The right used to make that..

same criticism of Obama. they wrote articles about it every time he spoke. They literally counted the number of times he said 'I'. Odd that I see that same criticism all the time here.

[840high]

53. So?

[one_voice]

59. jeeze. What was I thinking...

pardon. didn't mean to speak out of turn sir.

Just pointing that I thought something was odd:

Odd that I see that same criticism all the time here.

‘I,’ ‘Me,’ ‘My’—Obama Uses First Person Singular 199 Times in Speech Vowing Unilateral Action

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p-jeffrey/i-me-my-obama-uses-first-person-singular-199-times-speech-vowing

Did he forget about the voters? Obama says the words 'I' and 'me' a total of 117 times in ONE speech

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171006/Video-President-Obama-says-words-I-total-117-times-ONE-speech.html


I'll be sure to keep my opinions to myself in the future.

[840high]

61. Well maybe they both do use it too much. Not

everything is right wing.

[one_voice]

71. That was.

[Ino]

7. Her next most favorite word: "hard"

pronounced like a pirate... hARRRRd

[Hekate]

78. Should she use the Southern "haaahd" or the New York "hod"? It's quite regional, you know.

Bernie likes to add an "R" to the ends of names and words without an R. My Nebraska/Colorado aunt used to pronounce "wash" as "warsh."

I hope you took a slug of whiskey every time she said "harrrrd," and that now you feel better. The "pirate" thing you think you detect is not there, however. Pirates were often from Cornwall, and their "a" is totally different.

Really, really ridiculous.

[grasswire]

113. didn't Mrs. Romney use that phrase?

"It's harrrd"???

[bigwillq]

8. What is she supposed to say? Refer to herself in third person?

[Fumesucker]

11. If it was good enough for Bob Dole

[Hekate]

79. Actually, Bob Dole said his name as one word: bobdole. Interesting.

[MADem]

16. Apparently, the ROYAL WE--as in "We are not amused" - is the preferred way to talk, with this crowd.

Of course, if she did do that, she'd have her ass handed to her for behaving too regally.

[Hekate]

66. They'd start talking about that homecoming queen thing again. What utter foolishness.

[Eko]

12. There should be an unrec.

And this should be massively unrec'd.

[notadmblnd]

13. ah well.

[MADem]

17. I agree with you.

It's so small, and petty.

[notadmblnd]

24. You're free to put me on ignore, you do know?

I mean- why would you lower yourself to my level?

[Eko]

27. Could be

amusement, not really sure, or the fact I don't put anybody on ignore. Probably a combination.

[notadmblnd]

31. lower ones self for amusement?

hmmmmm.

[Eko]

33. Lower myself?

dont believe I did that either.

[notadmblnd]

35. I was having a conversation with someone else and you jumped in

The other person was implying that they were morally above engaging in mean-ness. Except they did engage in mean-ness.

[Eko]

39. Oh yeah,

sorry. Got a cold and am on cold medicine. New rule, be careful posting on cold medicine. Lol.

[notadmblnd]

42. No, problem.

[Hekate]

70. I'm jumping in now, seeing as it's an open board & open discussion. How thrilling to transgress!!1!

And I'm not being mean, either. Unless your definition of "mean" is unbelievably elastic.

[notadmblnd]

72. Never said any one couldn't

But why would you want to lower yourself to my level? The horror of what I said, is probably going to scar some people here for life. I would hate for you to be one of them.

[MADem]

29. Backatcha!

It's never a good idea to ignore mean-spiritedness.

It's better to confront it, to point it out.

[Eko]

30. Yup.

[notadmblnd]

32. and you're doing a fine job of being mean

so by all means, knock your self out.

[Eko]

34. Mean?

Where? Unrec is mean maybe? I look at it as a "this is not important so should not be rec'd".

[MADem]

36. No, I'm not. nt

[notadmblnd]

40. Sure. You implied you were morally superior to me.

Because I was mean in regards to what I said about Hillary and her narcissistic references to herself constantly. You said I was lowering myself and said I was small and petty.

17. I agree with you.

It's so small, and petty.

17. Is your backhnded way of calling me shallow and petty.

15. Oh sure, whatever.

I get it--you don't like her.



But you lower yourself --and no one else-- when you say things like that.

15 implies your are morally superior to me. Those are your posts are they not?

[MADem]

43. Reading is fundamental!

Your words are small and petty. You can absolve yourself by simply retracting them.

Instead, you choose to double down and snarl at anyone who points out that the words you are using are meanspirited.

Don't extrapolate, or read into that more than is there.

I know nothing about your "morality."

All I know is that you come on the internet and say shitty things about a Democrat running for the Presidency.

By your words "the royal WE" shall know you.

[notadmblnd]

48. I don't need to absolve my self from anything.

If you think it is alertable- alert on it. If you are unhappy with how I feel about HRC, you are free to put me on ignore

I am under no obligation to suffer morality lessons from a fellow DUer who displays that they are just as mean as I.

[MADem]

56. Not every rude and unkind comment is "alertable." If you used that language towards a DUer, I

might bother to do that.

As it is, you're simply insulting a public figure.

I'm quite sure, though, that if your same rude and petty language were directed at Sanders instead of Clinton, the boom would be lowered on you--and deservedly, too.

It's never a smooth move to resort to childish invective. It reveals more about the person flinging the insults than perhaps they intend to reveal.

This isn't a "morality lesson." It's an observation with regard to your comments. Nothing more.

And I won't put you on ignore. Just because I find your words petty and childish, doesn't mean that I need to run from them. In fact, I think it's far better to tell you, straight up, what I think of them.

If that troubles you, you have options, too, you know. You can put ME on ignore and you won't have to see my comments about your small and churlish characterizations of a Democratic Presidential candidate.

[notadmblnd]

57. So? When did they become sacred Icons?

I said, "For God's sake don't take a drink for every time she says me or I- you could die of alcohol poisoning before it's over"

I think it's a pretty mild slam. After all- people have said a lot worse of her. So if this is what you choose to be outraged about and get your blood pressure up over, have yourself a blast!

[Hekate]

73. The only one I see evincing outrage is you. You don't like it that anyone challenged you...

...and sadly, you are actually displaying the outrage you are projecting onto others. Insight is good.

There are no "sacred Icons."

JURY: My post simply responds to a series of posts by the OP.

[notadmblnd]

75. No, no outrage here. I expressed concern for those playing a drinking game

You're the one coming here and trying to shame me for expressing an opinion you don't happen to like.

If you choose to take what I posted in my OP as an insult- so be it.

[Hekate]

81. Who said they were playing a drinking game? I can see why that would concern you...

However, it was your OP that introduced the topic. On an open discussion board. So I naturally thought we were all invited to opine.

I can't do anything about your sense of shame.

[notadmblnd]

85. who said they wern't?

Opine all you want. Far be it from me to keep you from (as another poster pointed out) lowering yourself to my level.

Oh and that sense of shame you mentioned- I'll get one when the 3rd way-ers do. Mkay?

[Hekate]

86. You yourself brought up "shaming" in context of responses in this thread. I was worried for you.

Concerned.

[notadmblnd]

89. what does that have to do with your concerns regarding a drinking game?

[Hekate]

91. Are you sure you are keeping up with the number of concerns you've raised since your OP?

I'm starting to feel quite mellow, myself, because I'm losing count too.

[notadmblnd]

94. I am quite certain

as I rarely partake of potent potables- hence my concern for others.

[Hekate]

100. I'm sure that is the case. I take note of your grave concern.

Gravely.

[notadmblnd]

101. Clever.

[arely staircase]

14. She is being asked question about herself, positions and plans.

What pronoun should she use? The royal we?

[LexVegas]

18. Uppity woman, huh? nt

[Eko]

19. On the flip side.

Not every jab is a sexist one.

[notadmblnd]

21. Is that your observation?

Because you are not speaking for me.

[Eko]

28. I speak for me.

dont know where you got the idea I was speaking for you.

[farleftlib]

22. I hear nothing like the concern for ordinary people

that Bernie expresses. Just about how she is going to be a good president, how good a candidate she is.

[notadmblnd]

26. That's my whole point.

[speaktruthtopower]

25. It's a stylistic thing..

but she doesn't look particularly comfortable out there tonight

[farleftlib]

37. Here we go "I'm going to break the highest glass ceiling>"

That's what I want for my daughter and granddaughter and your daughter.

[Hekate]

74. Was that in the response to the woman with 5 daughters? I thought that was pretty relevant.

[SoapBox]

44. Yup!

Well it is all about her and the Third Way Entrenched Elite Establishment.

[madamesilverspurs]

46. O.F.F.S.

Geeze, did anyone get a comma count?

[Hekate]

83. I'm sure someone will post a "word cloud" soon, since this is so important.

Soooo important.

[JPnoodleman]

49. Jokes on you, I don't have that much Gin in stock! /nt

[Bobbie Jo]

51. Meh

RW'ers said the same thing about Obama. This one has made the rounds before.

Recycling their stuff, meh...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

54. Or at least have someone available to hold your hair.

[jalan48]

55. Me thinks she's all about the thought of "Madame President"

[LibDemAlways]

119. That's her goal. To be the 1st female US President.

It's all about ambition. There isn't much devotion to principle there. It's all about expediency and saying whatever she thinks is necessary to get her elected.

The R's are probably already gleefully putting together anti-Hillary ads featuring her many flip flops.

[Hekate]

58. That's just silly. An individual is running for President, not a consortium. nt

[notadmblnd]

62. Well if it's just silly, there's no reason to be outraged about it is there?

Considering all the things that have been said about her, my comment is pretty mild.

[Hekate]

67. Where did I evince "outrage"?

[kjones]

63. Well, when you've done so much, you get to use "I" a lot...

Maybe if Bernie talked about the NRA he'd get to say "I" more...

[notadmblnd]

65. Ah, hahahaha

not as funny as the other quip. But still funny

[Beacool]

68. Any other complaints?

Did her hairdo meet your approval? How about the jacket she wore? Any comments about her make-up?


"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

Eleanor Roosevelt

[notadmblnd]

69. So then why are you bringing those subjects up?

If you would like to talk about her hair, makeup and clothes- feel free to start your own thread.

[Beacool]

92. I see that sarcasm flies over your head.

[notadmblnd]

98. I thought all you Hillary people were above personal insults?

Sarcasm flies over my head. I lower myself because I made a rather mild quip about HRC that some don't like. I'm small and shallow. All of these things have been said right here in this thread to me all the while telling me that I'm offensive.

Hillary's a big girl people, for shits sake, she was Secretary of State, she can take a little rudeness.

Yeah, Hillary supporters are so morally superior to Sander's supporters. Except they're not. Don't whine about and lecture me on me how mean Sander's supporters are when the nastiness displayed here by some of HRC's supporters is just as bad.

[Beacool]

102. What's tiresome are the petty attacks on Hillary.

The Sanders' supporters have yet to find something that they approve about Hillary. The whole thing is beyond tiresome by now.

[Hekate]

106. Amazing, isn't it.

That's why I told her I was for every one of the concerns she raised, that I was concerned she might lose track of. Gravely concerned. But mellow.

[notadmblnd]

107. So are the attacks on Senator Sanders

But so far it hasn't stopped anyone here, has it?

One would think that if pettyness is so wearing on some, that they would just use the ignore button and they'd never have to be exhausted again. Something to think about. No?

[Lazy Daisy]

121. Not just as bad, worse

Sanders supporters don't call Hillary supporters "flying monkeys" or "lily white"

Yet we're the ones being called racist, go figure.

[saltpoint]

77. Jump in on her jacket. A lot of us

are dying to hear your thoughts on the jacket.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. What was wrong with the jacket?

[saltpoint]

131. That's what I'm trying to find out.

How important is the jacket?

Is it symbolic? Is it yesterday's news? Is it a shiny Western trophy product of Asian sweatshop labor? Does it sleep around? Can she wear it after Labor Day? Does it believe its sins are unpardonable? Boxers or briefs? Why can animals talk in folk tales but not in real life?

[Metric System]

80. I guess she could start referring to herself in the third person like Sanders.

[notadmblnd]

82. She could actually talk about the American people instead of herself.

That's what she could do.

[Hekate]

84. She does that all the time. But if you don't listen, you wouldn't know that.

Just sayin.'

[notadmblnd]

87. I hear her talk plenty

and most of it is me, I, my and No! We Can't!

[zappaman]

97. She was saying "no we can't"?

[notadmblnd]

99. in so many words. yes.

[840high]

88. Not Hillary.

[Metric System]

90. That's exactly what she does, including tonight, but you're hopelessly biased.

[Hekate]

96. Hubby and I watched the whole thing. He loves Bernie, but now he loves Hillary too.

He says she's a mensch.

I thought she did brilliantly. Smaller forums are very good for her.

Bernie did okay, too, I thought. You could really tell he wanted to let loose with some of his trademark rant, though, but held back because this was not a big arena but a small auditorium -- a different crowd.

[kath]

129. Sanders tends to use the first person plural (we). third person would be to do the Bob Dole thing.

think back to when you were first learning a foreign language (since grammar isn't much taught in English class in the U.S.:
French verb etre (to be) 1st person- je suis. Nous somme
2nd person Tu es. Vous etes (^ over the first "e&quot
3rd person- Il/elle est. Ils/Elles sont

Translates as: I am. We are
You are (singular). You are (plural)
He/she is They are

(It's surprising how long those first few verb conjugations that you learn stick with you. later stuff, not so much. )

[LuvLoogie]

103. I remember when all the right-wing hacks used to say shit like that about President Obama.

[notadmblnd]

104. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a right wing hack alright.

It's not working, you might as well stop and go to bed.

[LuvLoogie]

130. Yep. Still sounds like Coulter or Palin at 2 in the morning.

Goodnight

[askew]

105. For some reason, Hillary took the wrong the lesson from her 2008 loss.

She thinks she lost because she didn't talk about her biography, herself & how historic being elected as the 1st woman would be. Her staff has talked about it in interviews. So, now she spends a lot of time talking about herself.

If you looked at the audience at the end of her closing statement, there was very half-hearted clapping, no clapping and some people shaking their heads at her. And this was a pro-Dem audience. She has a problem.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

117. Noticed that too... don't think Hillary swung many over to her side with that flat performance.

[askew]

123. I think she has a tin ear and isn't getting why she can't expand her base of supporters.

This performance makes me feel better about Sanders' chances in NV. Hillary was bad and Sanders was the best I've seen him. He finally ditched the same stump speech and answered the questions. He talked about issues besides economic issues. Much improved as a candidate.

I can't wait to see the debate tomorrow night.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Can't wait either... Bernie's authenticity really comes across in these kind of forums.

[Zorra]

110. "It was a woman who drove me to drink,

and I never wrote to thank her." WC Fields

[snagglepuss]

128. LOLOL ...

It took me a minute but then it hit.