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Hillary isn't owned by anyone. (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2016 OP
It's facile. An indication of the lack of substantive arguments against her candidacy. DanTex Feb 2016 #1
You mean like... HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #20
Non-sequitur, but I can see why you want to change the subject. DanTex Feb 2016 #24
I was responding to your "lack of substantive arguments against her candidacy" remark. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #29
Well the OP was about the "owned by banks" nonsense. DanTex Feb 2016 #31
If you're talking about a position that he held 30+ years ago, then yeah, I do want to go there. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #34
Of course you don't. And the guns either. At least we can agree that "owned by banks" is nonsense. DanTex Feb 2016 #37
I think you misread my post. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #52
From bank employees. Do you know any bank employees? DanTex Feb 2016 #54
I live in the wrong part of the country to know any bank employees. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #56
I do, I am even married to a former bank employee. Sadly I don't think any of the one's I know A Simple Game Feb 2016 #92
She Is Lying billhicks76 Feb 2016 #105
No, I don't think so, the OP didn't mention banks. You just made that up. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #60
Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Old Crow Feb 2016 #97
Hey, corporations are people! AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #100
LOL! Old Crow Feb 2016 #103
The word banks or any recerence to them is not in the op so..... SwampG8r Feb 2016 #146
LOL! Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #50
What is lacking are substantive arguments FOR her candidacy. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #66
I find it weird that people who don't support her just make these wild assumptions about DanTex Feb 2016 #69
Its not assumptions about people who support her. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #78
^^^ so.much.this ^^^ Hiraeth Feb 2016 #76
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #112
Yes she is....corporate donors own her. Punkingal Feb 2016 #2
This musiclawyer Feb 2016 #7
He sure has a great connection with Lockheed Martin and he has maintained a relationship Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #57
But those corporations are Genuine and Authentic. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #74
Corporations are the same, and a revolution will never Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #158
Bullshit...that is a blatant lie about the NRA. Punkingal Feb 2016 #110
Nope, it is true, the NRA donated $18,000 to defeat Sanders opponent when Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #159
Sanders does not take money from the NRA which is what you are inferring. That is a lie. Punkingal Feb 2016 #164
Go back and read my post again, I did not say he took the money, I said the NRA Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #165
Please list all his contributions from Lockheed Martin and the NRA. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #155
Did you see any place I stated he took money? He has talked about going after the defense spending Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #161
Bernie is honest about pork. Hillary lies like a rug about Wall Street and the IWR. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #162
She is, the op is in serious denial. JRLeft Feb 2016 #17
^^^THIS^^^ valerief Feb 2016 #89
Kinda weird now when I see these silly threads I have to look to see if it's the Hillary section PatrynXX Feb 2016 #90
Sorry but she is the definition of Purchased Politician. RiverLover Feb 2016 #3
How would she provide that payoff? Lucinda Feb 2016 #6
POTUS can influence policy. frylock Feb 2016 #21
With a congress that people say won't work with her? Lucinda Feb 2016 #38
So you're saying that Obama has been ineffective? frylock Feb 2016 #45
Nope. He's done well with the congress he drew. But I'm told Hillary Lucinda Feb 2016 #49
They'll get the things done that they align with. frylock Feb 2016 #58
So the Republicans would help her pay off the guys that helped her take the POTUS Lucinda Feb 2016 #68
They're ALL payed by the same guys. frylock Feb 2016 #72
Not even my second. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #124
You should join the conversation over here. frylock Feb 2016 #130
I'm glad she is raising money. You'd better believe Bernie will need piles of it too Lucinda Feb 2016 #134
Try and keep up. Bernie pulled in 3.5 milly from people like me in the last two days. frylock Feb 2016 #136
How far do you think that would go in the GE. Tiny NH has already been hit with 100 million Lucinda Feb 2016 #139
Let me type this out again for you. frylock Feb 2016 #140
100 MILLION DOLLARS for a handful of days worth of ads in one tiny state. Lucinda Feb 2016 #141
Bernie is pulling more money than Hillary. Explain to me like I'm 5 years old.. frylock Feb 2016 #144
As of January 31 Lucinda Feb 2016 #145
POTUS leads Congress HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #22
They purchase both branches of government (and the SC by extebnsion) Armstead Feb 2016 #41
Well...there ya go then! Lucinda Feb 2016 #46
By ensuring the status quo is maintained via veto power if necessary shawn703 Feb 2016 #104
Seems like a pretty bad investment if they have to wait around for congress Lucinda Feb 2016 #118
If you haven't noticed, RichVRichV Feb 2016 #114
So they are going to pass pro-business legislation that she wants passed, to pay off Lucinda Feb 2016 #123
Do you feel the Republicans hate Obama and try to block everything he does? RichVRichV Feb 2016 #135
Ya she may not be owned but she acts like she is rented to the highest bidder awake Feb 2016 #4
My thought exactly! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2016 #30
Perfect. bvf Feb 2016 #39
The OP is correct. Hillary isn't owned by any one... she's owned by a LOT of people! reformist2 Feb 2016 #5
and corporations nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #8
Haven't you heard? KansDem Feb 2016 #80
Uh huh oregonjen Feb 2016 #9
They made her take the money? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #10
During her career in elected office. Lucinda Feb 2016 #59
I know what it translates to and who they work for, but thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #61
I'm thinking there will be some remorse musiclawyer Feb 2016 #11
Lol! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16
just about all politicians are beholding to DesertFlower Feb 2016 #12
Her own mind Carolina Feb 2016 #13
I've never said she was owned. retrowire Feb 2016 #14
She isn't owned, it's more like a partnership. morningfog Feb 2016 #15
+1. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #27
LOL! reformist2 Feb 2016 #55
Took the post right off of my keyboard! dflprincess Feb 2016 #84
It's more like rented, I agree. After the proper favors are granted politically, she will be done Dragonfli Feb 2016 #18
That Jury Is Pretty Much In... But We DO Know She'll Say Almost Anything For Votes... WillyT Feb 2016 #19
Corporations don't make donations -- they make purchases nichomachus Feb 2016 #23
You have nailed it solid! modestybl Feb 2016 #138
Leased, then? AzDar Feb 2016 #25
she is compromised by all of the money that she has taken from the titans of industry and commerce virtualobserver Feb 2016 #26
Agreed. She's more of a series of a short-term leases rather than a purchase. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #28
The corporations currently have her on retainer Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #156
No one who gets big corporate donations EVER defies the corporations who made them. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #32
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #33
Let's stop acting like Citizens United doesn't exist for a reason. nt RedCappedBandit Feb 2016 #35
You're not being honest with yourself EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #36
You know what's even more insulting? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #40
I'm sure you would agree that the republicans are "owned" by their donors, jkbRN Feb 2016 #42
Owned implies she is a separate entity from that which does the owning, she is not owned.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #43
Precisely my thoughts as well sammythecat Feb 2016 #95
Seems right. HassleCat Feb 2016 #44
No, owned is probably not the proper analogy tularetom Feb 2016 #47
no - she's not owned by the establishment Locrian Feb 2016 #151
You didn't ask with a cherry and sugar on top. earthside Feb 2016 #48
So she'll have no problem returning Goldman Sachs' donations? n/t brentspeak Feb 2016 #51
here's the meaning pinebox Feb 2016 #53
That's the urban dictionary definition, not the real definition. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #67
Actually it is pinebox Feb 2016 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #62
She's owned by her own political ambition. Whatever it takes. Broward Feb 2016 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #64
All politicians are owned by someone bigwillq Feb 2016 #65
Those big banks must be run by morons DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #70
Of course she's not . . . Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #71
Thank you mcar Feb 2016 #73
Rented then, fine. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #75
Sure she is. And there's no climate change. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #77
She courts saltpoint Feb 2016 #79
. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #81
You're joking, right? RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #82
I agree... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #83
It's a blanket response NRA has bought and pain for the DNC PatrynXX Feb 2016 #85
Keep repeating that. nt mother earth Feb 2016 #86
Yes, it may well be insulting ... TO YOU. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #87
No of course not because um 911 DVRacer Feb 2016 #88
and she's anti-pharma and anti-Wall Street and anti-war and anti-deportation MisterP Feb 2016 #91
Her corporate funded super PACs say otherwise... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #93
Oh look, another hit and run Bullshit post. litlbilly Feb 2016 #94
Just got a call from John Podesta. saltpoint Feb 2016 #96
:eyeroll: Schema Thing Feb 2016 #98
Right...she's not by anyone Roland99 Feb 2016 #99
Lol Loudestlib Feb 2016 #101
She's Owned By Money And Ego billhicks76 Feb 2016 #102
agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #106
ROFLMAO!!! That's a good one!! She is bought and paid for.... bowens43 Feb 2016 #107
She is owned by entities, not actual humans AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #108
Thank you. What's the real stinker is she wants that for the rest of us too. nc4bo Feb 2016 #115
She's using those big bank SOB's! Taking $250k a speech from them.. And that's all they're getting.. raindaddy Feb 2016 #109
This is all Sanders has right now, impugn her integrity and claim he's running a clean campaign uponit7771 Feb 2016 #111
"It's insulting as all hell" mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #113
There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold... Tommymac Feb 2016 #116
Yes she is. Three SuperPAC's Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #117
Bain Fucking Capital Fuddnik Feb 2016 #119
Yes, Bain Capital is the cherry on top of the corruption sundae. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #122
Well corporations aren't people so yeah, she isn't. Fearless Feb 2016 #120
So Where Did The Clinton's Get Their $130 Million Dollar Nest Egg? scottie55 Feb 2016 #121
HaHaHaHa! Good One! mckara Feb 2016 #125
I don't believe she is owned by anyone. I respect Hillary Clinton. californiabernin Feb 2016 #126
lordy, sweetheart ellennelle Feb 2016 #127
Most wrong post of the year Doctor_J Feb 2016 #128
It's hard, I know. But the truth shall set you free. azmom Feb 2016 #129
She isn't owned by any one. Red Oak Feb 2016 #131
Then you should say the same about republicans Nyan Feb 2016 #132
No one person owns her. She is traded publicly. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #133
ROFLMAO SoapBox Feb 2016 #137
Hillary is not owned by the 1%er club Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #142
She's owned and her voting record proves it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #147
I wonder why the people saying Hillary is owned by (fill in the blank), don't show the evidence. betsuni Feb 2016 #148
OK here is some evidence for you AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #149
OMG WORDS!111!!!!! betsuni Feb 2016 #157
And dollar figures! AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #166
So what? If I give you a dollar will you do whatever I tell you to do? betsuni Feb 2016 #167
If you were paying $500k, plenty of people would do whatever you asked. nt LittleBlue Feb 2016 #170
But I wouldn't. Maybe that's why I don't understand this. betsuni Feb 2016 #172
"It's insulting as all hell." ... I think that's their motivation. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #150
Hillary merely belongs to a club that pays her to stay as a member.... islandmkl Feb 2016 #152
Thanks for the laugh 4dsc Feb 2016 #153
Maybe. Maybe not. She certainly has conflict of interest problems. cali Feb 2016 #154
Clinton is forced to take the money? Clinton is forced to take money from those she claims Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #160
What a load of crap. alarimer Feb 2016 #163
She just rents herself out SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #168
Understand the word context? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #169
Yeah. keep telling yourself that. kath Feb 2016 #171
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
20. You mean like...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

Her opposition to gay marriage, support of the Iraq War, the TPP, and Keystone all up until they were politically damaging?

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
29. I was responding to your "lack of substantive arguments against her candidacy" remark.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016

That was just a small list of "substantive" arguments.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
31. Well the OP was about the "owned by banks" nonsense.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

If you're against people changing their minds over time, then the first place to look is Bernie, who used to think that the government should own the means of production. But you probably don't want to go there.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
34. If you're talking about a position that he held 30+ years ago, then yeah, I do want to go there.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

People change over time, that is acceptable, but it's pretty easy to spot when someone changes because it's politically expedient. Bernie changed his position on guns for that reason, but Hillary changed almost her entire platform and continues to do so by the minute.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
52. I think you misread my post.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:29 PM
Feb 2016

As for the "owned by banks" thing, I think "owned" is a strong word, but I am certainly concerned about the money she took from them.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
56. I live in the wrong part of the country to know any bank employees.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

But a quick Google search will reveal that not only did Hillary receive millions of dollars in speaking fees from large banks and Wall St. firms, but she has and continues to receive thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from banking employees.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
92. I do, I am even married to a former bank employee. Sadly I don't think any of the one's I know
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

would have been invited to any of Hillary's 300,000 dollar speeches nor been able to afford a 2700 dollar donation.

They maybe could have sent a few buck at most.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
105. She Is Lying
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

You don't change that quickly. Actions speak louder than words. And the gun thing is shallow. Hype. She supports weapons manufacturers and bombing entire families abroad. Get real.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
97. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

Because when human beings receive hundreds of thousands of dollars, or millions of dollars, they never experience a sense of obligation.



I suppose that's true on some planet, DanTex. Just not this one.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
146. The word banks or any recerence to them is not in the op so.....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

I wonder where you pulled banks from

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
66. What is lacking are substantive arguments FOR her candidacy.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

The people who want her because she is hillary, who accept the self-evident wisdom of supporting hillary because she is the most hillaryesque hillary and in fact nobody can hillary better than the one and only hillary, those folks are ALREADY in her corner.

But most of her campaign is about "vote for me because im me". Not substantive policy or issue proposals.

So kettle, meet pot.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
69. I find it weird that people who don't support her just make these wild assumptions about
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:55 PM
Feb 2016

people who do.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
78. Its not assumptions about people who support her.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

It is based directly upon the presentation she has made to the voters, or lack thereof.

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
7. This
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

Most politicians are owned. Bernie is one of the few not.
Thinking HRC will act in the best interests of ordinary Americans over the predatory banks that keep her afloat is delusional

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
57. He sure has a great connection with Lockheed Martin and he has maintained a relationship
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Feb 2016

with the NRA which is a lobby for gun manufactures, in other words corporations.

LuvLoogie

(7,004 posts)
74. But those corporations are Genuine and Authentic.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:04 PM
Feb 2016

That's okay. Hillary's campaign is quietly, but concretely working to build the party infrastructure and help down-ticket candidates in state and local elections.

The Revolution can have it's scatfest.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
158. Corporations are the same, and a revolution will never
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

Occur with out help in Congress. Doesn't look like Sanders is willing to help down ticket candidates elected.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
159. Nope, it is true, the NRA donated $18,000 to defeat Sanders opponent when
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:22 AM
Feb 2016

He was elected to congress. He voted five times against the Brady Bill, these votes are recorded and a part of history. These are facts and if you notice Sanders does nit deny these votes. There have been other votes also.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
165. Go back and read my post again, I did not say he took the money, I said the NRA
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:29 AM
Feb 2016

donated $18,000 to help defeat his opponent. He did vote against the Brady Bill, it is on record. I did not post a lie and to be accused of such is nto needed.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
155. Please list all his contributions from Lockheed Martin and the NRA.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:30 AM
Feb 2016

I predict crickets, because I am confident they don't give him money. Why? Because he doesn't want their filthy money because he can't be bought like most politicians.

I dare you. I DOUBLE DARE YOU.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
161. Did you see any place I stated he took money? He has talked about going after the defense spending
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

and he has a voting record of voting over and over to continue funding the F-35 program, over a trillion dollars. Which way is it, to cut the defense spending or to continue the defense spending. Does he get any donations from Lockheed Martin employees?

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
162. Bernie is honest about pork. Hillary lies like a rug about Wall Street and the IWR.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:06 AM
Feb 2016

So is it true that Bernie supports the F-35?

Yes and no. The idea that Bernie supports the F-35 program stems from his positive reception to part of the F-35 fleet being stationed in Vermont.

Nonetheless, Bernie is highly concerned “about cost overruns on the plane.” In June 2014, Bernie called the F-35 program “incredibly wasteful.” Ultimately, however, Bernie realizes that the plane is going to be a reality, and concluded that “as long as the F-35 is deployed anywhere, I believe we should strive to protect the Vermont Air National Guard’s mission and maintain hundreds of jobs here in Vermont.”

While members of Congress have received over $8 million collectively from the F-35’s manufacturer since 2001, Bernie has not accepted any Lockheed Martin contributions.


http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-military-and-veterans/

Hillary never met a donor she didn't like. Bernie doesn't take that filthy money. It's very simple. Do you want a politician who takes legalized bribes (everybody else) or doesn't (Bernie)? Please name another politician who doesn't take bribes (i.e. corporate contributions) in Congress.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
90. Kinda weird now when I see these silly threads I have to look to see if it's the Hillary section
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

smh :bandhead: if Wall Street breathed a sigh of relieve Tuesday morning thats sorta telling O_O

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
3. Sorry but she is the definition of Purchased Politician.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

Lots of Moneyed People invested in her. Waiting for the big pay off.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
38. With a congress that people say won't work with her?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

I've read a lot here lately that she wouldn't be able to get anything done. And if that is true, then I don't see how she could influence anything.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
49. Nope. He's done well with the congress he drew. But I'm told Hillary
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

wouldn't get anything done because the Republicans hate her.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
58. They'll get the things done that they align with.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Feb 2016

Policies that benefit corporations and the 1% to the detriment of the rest of us.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
68. So the Republicans would help her pay off the guys that helped her take the POTUS
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:53 PM
Feb 2016

away from their party?
Not seeing it.

I thank you for the conversation!
I've got to get a few things done before the debate.
Hope you have a great night, and that Bernie, who I do like a lot, and Hillary have a great debate tonight!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
134. I'm glad she is raising money. You'd better believe Bernie will need piles of it too
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

if he is our nominee.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
136. Try and keep up. Bernie pulled in 3.5 milly from people like me in the last two days.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is now pulling in more cash than Hillary. He's got this shit covered. No need to solicit donations from these shitbags over at RMoney's old stomping grounds.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
139. How far do you think that would go in the GE. Tiny NH has already been hit with 100 million
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

in ad buys, 80% of which is from the Republican side. And that is just for a small state primary.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/new-hampshire-flooded-by-100-million-in-political-ads

frylock

(34,825 posts)
140. Let me type this out again for you.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie is now pulling in more cash than Hillary. Full stop. Hillary has maxed out the card, while Bernie is sitting on a ton of money. This talking point is dead.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
141. 100 MILLION DOLLARS for a handful of days worth of ads in one tiny state.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie's donations are amazing, but it wont be enough on it's own.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
144. Bernie is pulling more money than Hillary. Explain to me like I'm 5 years old..
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

how Hillary is going to be more viable than Bernie when HE IS PULLING MORE MONEY THAN HER.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
145. As of January 31
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:03 AM - Edit history (1)

he has raised IN TOTAL $74,369,254 - which is over 25 million LESS - than the ad buy totals for just the primary in New Hampshire.

And if you count just the Republican 80% spent, they still spent more than he has raised in total so far.
He currently does not have the financial support to run a GE campaign. They will have to raise money, tons of it, to be competitive in the GE.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528&type=f


Hillary has raised more in total, but not nearly enough to bankroll a GE run yet. The advantage she has over Bernie financially, is the SuperPAC money. I want the big money out of politics as much as anyone does, but as long as the Republicans are making use of it, I am glad she is too.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
22. POTUS leads Congress
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016

And there's executive orders. Btw, you've seen how quickly the Democratic Party fell in line behind Clinton. You think they'll oppose anything she wants to pass through Congress?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
104. By ensuring the status quo is maintained via veto power if necessary
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

And corporations are pretty happy with the status quo, don't you think?

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
118. Seems like a pretty bad investment if they have to wait around for congress
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

to pass something she may or may not veto. Dems want restrictions on financial industries, Reps want little to none. Not sure what would even be getting passed.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
114. If you haven't noticed,
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

even do nothing congresses tend to get pro-business legislation through, usually buried in "must pass" omnibus bills. All they need is a president to rubber stamp it.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
123. So they are going to pass pro-business legislation that she wants passed, to pay off
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

her obligations, even after she robbed them of the Presidency? I don't see it.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
135. Do you feel the Republicans hate Obama and try to block everything he does?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

And yet they voted to grant him fast track trade authority in order to pass the pro-corporate TPP. Why would they do that for someone they hate?


It's not about Hillary. It's not about the Republicans. It's not about the Democrats. It's about what the corporations want. Most politicians owe their allegiance to the wealthy that got them there, regardless of party affiliation.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
39. Perfect.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

Until a higher bidder comes along. It's a perpetual auction, but all that money's on the same side, so we'll never see a difference there.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
59. During her career in elected office.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

From mostly individuals.
I do not think that link means what you think it means.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
13. Her own mind
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah right. The mind that changes with the wind, with whatever is politically expedient, with whatever Lloyd Blankfein tells her...



retrowire

(10,345 posts)
14. I've never said she was owned.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

But let's use Bernie's vocab about it.

When you receive great amounts of money from special interests, you are beholden to them. They aren't making that investment for nothing.

And that's why Bernie takes donations from only the people. Because that is who he is beholden to.

Hillary is beholden to special interests and corporations.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
18. It's more like rented, I agree. After the proper favors are granted politically, she will be done
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

when the quid and pro quo are balanced then she will move on to the next gig, perhaps some speeches or books.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
19. That Jury Is Pretty Much In... But We DO Know She'll Say Almost Anything For Votes...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

I prefer the real deal.


nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
23. Corporations don't make donations -- they make purchases
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

They expect something in return.

With Hillary, they get it.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
138. You have nailed it solid!
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

Kinda like Jimmy Stewart's line in "It's A Wonderful Life" ...

"He's not selling, he's buying!!"

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
26. she is compromised by all of the money that she has taken from the titans of industry and commerce
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

it is legalized bribery



Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
156. The corporations currently have her on retainer
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

They intend for her to argue their case beginning next January.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. No one who gets big corporate donations EVER defies the corporations who made them.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016

No one anywhere.

They wouldn't make the donations without expecting obedience.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
36. You're not being honest with yourself
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

There is SUBSTANTIAL evidence that she is completely bought and paid for.

It's been posted on DU over and over and even many non-Bernie supporters acknowledge that it looks extremely bad.

Add to that the fact that she chose the owner of a huge lobbying firm as her campaign chairman, and his brother, a power broker and super lobbyist is one of her main bundlers.

Add to that the propenderance of evidence that she favorably approved weapons sales at State, based on donations and speaking fees, to countries the State Department itself considers to be authoritarian...

And on and on...

If Ted Cruz did all of this ^^^ you wouldnt be justifying it. If W did it you'd assume he was a crook... But Hillary does it and it's all some complicated conspiracy against her.


jkbRN

(850 posts)
42. I'm sure you would agree that the republicans are "owned" by their donors,
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

It's no different for Hillary, moreover, her voting record and campaign contributions line up perfectly.

Disingenuous denial is pitiful.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
43. Owned implies she is a separate entity from that which does the owning, she is not owned....
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

She is the thing,

She is not owned by Wall-Street or the Billionaire parasites, she is them. Made by them, forged by them, molded by them, and undone by them.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
95. Precisely my thoughts as well
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

She's far too wealthy to be "owned". She's is now in that club George Carlin told us about. The one that we ain't in.

I'll say no more. You said it better than I could have. I think you're right on the money.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
44. Seems right.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

Only the slimiest politicians are "owned" by special interests. But it's perfectly routine for politicians to grant extra access and special favors to special interests represented by big donors. I think Clinton is one of those.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
47. No, owned is probably not the proper analogy
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

They are paying her for services rendered.

She tells them what they want to hear and they give her money.

I think there is a word for that.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
151. no - she's not owned by the establishment
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:23 AM
Feb 2016

She **IS** the establishment.

Make no mistakes - she sides with wallstreet / corporations at every opportunity. But she's a true believer that it's the way things are done, and the "right" thing to do.

It's much more insidious - a give and take between two birds of a feather.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
48. You didn't ask with a cherry and sugar on top.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

I can't recall a major Democratic Party candidate for the nomination in recent history so beholden to corporate and special interests.

Those of us who care about our country will never stop talking about it ... as long as Hillary is still in the race anyway.

41 years. $3 billion. Inside the Clinton donor network
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

More CEOs donate to Clinton than to any GOP candidate
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/20/more-ceos-donate-to-hillary-clinton-than-to-gop.html

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
65. All politicians are owned by someone
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

Some less than others, some more.
That's the reality of our political system.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
77. Sure she is. And there's no climate change.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

Mrs Weathervane, bought and paid for by Goldman-Sachs and Monsanto.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
79. She courts
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

the fat-cat donors and power-brokers.

She lets her nose take her to Power and Money.

I don't believe anyone in the Beltway thinks John Podesta has a coupon box on his kitchen counter.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
82. You're joking, right?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

Come on, if she gets millions from the financial sector in campaign contributions, and she favors them, how can you tell me that?

DUbeornot2be

(367 posts)
83. I agree...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

...one look at her list of speaking fees seems to suggest she's not owned by any one of her corporate backers...

...but that she is owned by every one of them.

Listening to hear speeches confirms it!

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
85. It's a blanket response NRA has bought and pain for the DNC
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

applies them both. although this issue that she is her own mind sounds stuck up, I like teamwork. Not a one person army

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
91. and she's anti-pharma and anti-Wall Street and anti-war and anti-deportation
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

and if you say otherwise you're a RACIST SEXIST REPUBLICAN STOOGE

the people will stand up to the political class one way or another, and their online hall monitors are the first in line

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
96. Just got a call from John Podesta.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

He calls bullshit on the OP's assertion.

I could hear the whir of his Rolodex in the background.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
99. Right...she's not by anyone
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

She's owned by multiple anyones.


DOMA, TPP, Goldman Sachs, private insurance industry

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
101. Lol
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

BREAKING: HILLARY POSTPONES FUNDRAISER WITH BAIN CAPITAL
I wonder if Romney will write her a check? She desperately needs it after spending 90% of her budget in Iowa.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-postpones-fundraiser-financial-services-218708#ixzz3zAA1rv16

Hillary Romney Clinton?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
102. She's Owned By Money And Ego
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

And if you really don't think she's actually owned by other people or that she serves somebody then you have no concept of reality and how the world works. Please refrain from spreading that naivite. Hillary has more hallmarks of a compromised politician than any democratic candidate in a long time. Do you expect people to deny that people are blackmailed with embarrassing information or that criminal conspiracies don't exist just because it doesn't fit a smiley-faced perception of the world? Hillary is a lot like Rahm Emmanuel and Joe Lieberman...we all want a female president but not at the expense of truth and justice. Remember Condaleeza Rice? Thank God she couldn't run due to her lying to the 911 Committee. And Bill Clinton back in the White House? They are going to bring up those recent plane rides with that pedophile hedge fund manager.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
107. ROFLMAO!!! That's a good one!! She is bought and paid for....
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

hillary thinking that she is ethically fit to hold public office is an insult to the American people

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
115. Thank you. What's the real stinker is she wants that for the rest of us too.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

Of course we'll be the ones propping their butts up as we drown.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
109. She's using those big bank SOB's! Taking $250k a speech from them.. And that's all they're getting..
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

a G-damn 45 minute speech! When they ask for more Hillary tells em, "to cut it out!"

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
113. "It's insulting as all hell"
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

This is very much like saying, "That's a low blow." The purpose is to cast the comment as a morally or ethical affront, when actually the original behavior - Clinton being owned by the finance industry, or changing her positions every day depending on who she needs to pander to - is unethical and immoral.

Basicaly, this post is whining about people being mean to Hillary. If one has to resort to this kind of bullshit to defend their chosen candidate, maybe they should take a hard look at their candidate's behaviour.

 

Flying Phoenix

(114 posts)
117. Yes she is. Three SuperPAC's
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

and maxed out donors have supported the theory that she is owned by very hoity toity assholes who wants more of the same.

Good job, for bringing up an issue that Clinton is so weak at.

How's that fundraising going? I heard her numbers were flat again after Iowa. She'll be fundraising more than meeting with the voters for the next few contests because when she's blown out in NH, NV and SC, the spigot will dry up.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
119. Bain Fucking Capital
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

If there's any insulting going on, she's insulting every one of her supporters intelligence.


"I am not a crook".
Hillary Clinton.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
121. So Where Did The Clinton's Get Their $130 Million Dollar Nest Egg?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

They have a golden goose?

Named Sachs?

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
126. I don't believe she is owned by anyone. I respect Hillary Clinton.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

She's a fighter, that's for sure. And she has done good things.

I will no longer vote for any candidate, however, who takes in millions form Walmart, Golmann, etc., etc.

Yesterday's gone.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
127. lordy, sweetheart
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

i so wish the fact that she has taken so much wall street money were not true.

but it is simply a fact.

it may be insulting, but what do you think, she'll give them the finger? do any of those photos with blankfein look like she is dissing hem?

now, if you honestly believe she is not beholden to the hands that feed her, then i have a bridge over a swamp to sell you, both package deal, very cheap.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
128. Most wrong post of the year
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

but I don't visit the HRC group or the bernie hate site, so I might be incorrect. Plus it's only february.

If she has full control over her own mind and being, why does she say conflicting things so often? Do you think the bump on the head made her schizophrenic? Are you a doctor? I think that's a pretty rash diagnosis. I think She's just amoral from being a DC schmoozer for 25 years, and planning to be president for 20. Occam's razor is on my side.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
132. Then you should say the same about republicans
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

who take money from fossile fuel industry -that they may take money from Koch brothers, but they decide their policy platform entirely on their own. That it's just a matter of faith when they deny climate change, if you're gonna imply that her refusing to reinstate Glass-Steagall is just a matter of principle.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
137. ROFLMAO
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

Hilarious.



Where are those charts showing which corporations she has taken all that money from?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
142. Hillary is not owned by the 1%er club
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

she's a member of it and will do everything in her power to maintain it.

betsuni

(25,531 posts)
148. I wonder why the people saying Hillary is owned by (fill in the blank), don't show the evidence.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:33 AM
Feb 2016

I read every comment in this thread and saw nothing to back up the claim. Surely there must be a great deal of evidence for so many people to be so adamant on this topic. Or is it just a feeling? Getting contributions and bribes mixed up? Corporations contribute to politicians all the time, both parties. It's a gamble that sometimes pays off and sometimes doesn't. What, do people think that if Olympic athletes sponsored by corporations don't come back with medals they send around a guy with a baseball bat to teach them a lesson for wasting the corporation's money?

I have a little theory. Perhaps the people who donated money to Obama's campaign for president subconsciously expected him to do exactly what they wanted, that they "owned" him. That's why their disappointment and anger was so strong, why they came to hate him.

betsuni

(25,531 posts)
172. But I wouldn't. Maybe that's why I don't understand this.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:54 AM
Feb 2016

I'd take anybody's money and do what I want. They are the suckers, not me. A good politician or business person would do the same thing.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
152. Hillary merely belongs to a club that pays her to stay as a member....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:24 AM
Feb 2016

she's like the 'Club Pro' at the Wall Street Country Club...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
160. Clinton is forced to take the money? Clinton is forced to take money from those she claims
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:26 AM
Feb 2016

to decry..those perversion/inversion deals she spoke of last night, she takes money
from those who benefited from those same deals. Who forces her to do that?

Why anyone would support such a candidate is beyond my understanding.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
163. What a load of crap.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

Wall Street, corporate wholly-owned subsidiary.

Keep denying reality and when or if she's elected, expect more corporate shilling.

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