2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy the Coin Flips Matter (and Why Clinton's Inability to Understand the Significance Echoes 2008)
Perhaps there are some who are confused about the effect on the national delegate count as a result of the Iowa coin flips to decide several tied precincts, but only a very few are confused about that topic.
The Clinton campaign (and some of her supporters) seem to think that the coin flip issue disappears upon the explanation that it did not change the national delegate allocation. The Sanders campaign (and some of his supporters) don't see the issue that way, and Sanders is right.
First, the coin flip is an idea covered by the media and embedded in the public psyche (in part because of the unlikelihood that Clinton would win all of the coin tosses):
The coin toss is not important as effecting the delegate allocation, but the coin toss is very important as a tremendously powerful metaphor for a close election.
Regardless of whether you are a Clinton supporter or a Sanders supporter, you ought to know that it was an historically close caucus that was too close to call when America went to bed on February 1. It was a tiny fraction of one percent that separated the candidates, and in America's mind, that's close enough where a coin toss is an apt metaphor.
Second, while America believes this is an historically close caucus that was too close to call as February 2 crept onto the calendar, Clinton prematurely declared herself the victor when all the main networks were saying the race was too close to call and her morning interviews on February 2 downplayed the closeness of the caucus and skirted around her earlier predictions that Iowa wouldn't be a competitive race.
Clinton's efforts to declare victory before the votes were in and to exaggerate the results highlight one of her key weaknesses as a candidate: her propensity for counter-factual self-aggrandizement the voters' consequent mistrust.
The coin toss is the key metaphor from the Iowa caucus and Clinton's awkward attempt to dispute the extraordinary closeness of this result in a state where Clinton held herself out as inevitable will only reinforce voter distrust as another example of her penchant for self-aggrandizement.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Officially reported by precincts using the microsoft app.
Time to put this conspiracy to bed, no??
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)appreciate an apology for the insults you are hurling at me.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)The coin tosses are not counted as a tie but added in to the total. There is no record; Clinton software doesn't count. There is a video of a Clinton caucus leader lying her ass off (posted below). There is anecdotal evidence much of which has been captured on video and viewed by many on Reddit. The truth will prevail and I predict the/your denial will continue. Because that's the kind of smokescreen the Clintons are famous for. Her fans are accommodating in that regard. I know because unfortunately I used to do the same thing on their behalf.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1132157
boston bean
(36,221 posts)I will get that apology any moment now, right?
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)self-aggrandizement.
2016's Iowa Democratic caucus will be remembered as coin-toss close just as 2004's Iowa Democratic caucus is remembered for Dean's scream.
The Dean scream was not about delegate allocation; it was a news theme that caught in the public's perception and had an effect going forward. The coin-toss close caucus followed by Clinton's exaggeration of her performance and glossing over of her past claims that Iowa would not be competitive is what will stick in public's perception.
Just as Obama's "you're likable enough" overconfidence after Iowa 2008 gave Clinton a sympathetic rebound in New Hampshire, Clinton's exaggeration of the result this year may also backfire. We'll know soon enough.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)the whole point is that the coin toss is a metaphor.
Did you not even read the OP before responding to it?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)The results did reflect a razor thin margin. For me the distraction has been that much of it was caught on video and my inclination is to argue what I've seen with my own two eyes. What will be remembered as you so aptly pointed out is the closeness of the race and Hillary declaring victory with the race virtually tied with 82% counted. Worse, she took to the stage unexpectedly (to her own people) stepping on Ted Cruz's victory speech which is poor election etiquette which in turns reminds voters of what a poor sport she was in 2008 and then what looked like fleeing the state. Not good optics and your analysis is spot on.
k/r
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)heads I win, tails I win, but if it stands on end..
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Hillary lost in 2008 by a big margin. She won this year. And the coin toss is a reminder of nothing but how silly the conspiratorial "Bernie Bros" are.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)People are just making shit up.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's pure propaganda at this point. The Bernie fans that know better are still pushing these memes.
MrChuck
(279 posts)and you and I are beginning to have a tiny history of respectful debate here, if I may be so bold to notice that.
The point isn't that anyone stole any delegates or that the likelihood was uncanny. All of that is crap.
The point, and th OP makes it pretty clearly, is that this win was razor thin. There were more than a dozen coin tosses.
The fact that there were far more of them only reinforces the point that this OP and many others arguing this significance are trying to make. This was far from a slam dunk. The term "victory" is even too grand to describe this "win." If anyone can lay claim to a kind of "victory" it would be the candidate that rose to the level of challenging a heretofore sure-thing and coming to within two tenths of one percent.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)By emphasizing the coin tosses, demanding recounts, and questioning the procedures at the caucuses, they are expanding on the meme that Hillary is untrustworthy, sneaky, and will do anything unethical to win.
left lowrider
(97 posts)It fits her character. She would be just as happy with a technical win, or a back-room deal. . . . doesn't really care about the voters will.