Clinton Now Again Moving Left Of Bernie by Pretending To Be For Universal Healthcare But Really

[DhhD]

For 1990- Clintoncare - HMOs- Already A Part Of The 2016 ACA Healthcare Plans.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2007/november/getting_the_facts_ri.php

My comment: Jesse Jackson called his 1988 Healthcare Plan-Single Payer. In the 1992 Campaign, Bill took up the Plan and called it Universal Health Care which actually meant HMOs-Health Maintenance Organizatons to privatize healthcare at government expense. Read the link above.


http://oakhcft.com/press/return-of-the-hmo%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Aand-thats-not-necessarily-bad/

My comment: Hillary just flip flopped the wording from ACA to Universal Healthcare because the GOP controlled Congress and third way New Democrats, Barack Obama and others, have set up HMOs to limit two or three office visits paid by insurance for 2016. And PPOs are being sent elsewhere to a very less extent in ACA; PPOs being sold by insurance companies. In the 1990s, HMOs were not being set up the strangle the number of visits like the 2016 Plans have been set up by third way giving way to the GOP!

People are going to be very angry at ACA having had their two or three visits by the early Fall. The Clinton's think that they can shape-shift through the Caucuses say H C is not for two visits ACA but for Bill Clinton's unlimited HMOs of the 1990s.

Very deceiving and some might call using dirty tricks on Sanders and the American People to get Clintoncare done by January 1, 2016.


https://berniesanders.com/press-release/clinton-flip-flops-health-care/

My comment: And now we know why she flipped. She got Hillarycare/Clintoncare of the 1990s by triangulating with the GOP and New Democrats to set up and even more limited HMO ACA which Republicans can use to take more money from Uncle Sam and give Americans less healthcare. I just hate all these takes and faker 1% Oligarchs and their PTB operatives. ACA is turning in to another Trickle UP just like the 2009-10 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act money.


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/2/after_dead_heat_in_iowa_will

[NowSam]

1. One more time!

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[Bjornsdotter]

4. Circa 1994

Hillary said,

"If, for whatever reason, the Congress doesn't pass health care reform, I believe, and I may be to totally off base on this, but I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system," she said. " I don't even think it's a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country... It will be such a huge popular issue... that even if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be. "



And she was right! Good thing we have Bernie to move forward.

[saltpoint]

9. Odd how she appears to have changed

her mind on that issue.

[Hoyt]

31. A GOPer Congress standing in the way has a way of changing one's approach, don't you think?

[JDPriestly]

34. It's not the fault of Republicans. When Democrats fail, Republicans win.

When Democrats are weak, Republicans take Congress.

It's the fault of the half-measure Democrats like Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz that we have so many Republicans in Congress.

Bernie is a stronger Democrat than Hillary. He will bring lots of Democrats into Congress.

[Mbrow]

44. +1

[saltpoint]

48. Agree. In large measure, the bluer the Democrat,

the closer that candidate tends to be to U.S. Americans' chief concerns about their country.

Sanders is a pretty deep blue guy.

[NowSam]

10. It just boggles the mind

She will say anything! She just doesn't care. How those who support her reconcile the zillion contradictions? I just need to know. Please explain how you can tolerate the lies?

Thank you, Bernie. You restore my faith in humankind. The power of WE.

[MissDeeds]

40. Well said

[NowSam]

43. Thank you. I need a friend around here

Pretty ugly lately!

[MissDeeds]

46. No problem

Primary time can get pretty heated around here. Don't hesitate to use the 'ignore' feature. Your time on DU will be much more enjoyable.

[arcane1]

13. "if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be" became "don't even try"

[Bjornsdotter]

14. She is the Can'tidate! n/t

[hifiguy]

16. Yep. Preemptive Surrender.

Why bother?

That isn't a strategy and it isn't even a tactic.

[arcane1]

18. At least she gave us a rebuttal to use against the current anti-SP Clinton crowd.

Her own words!

Them: Single Payer will NEVER HAPPEN!!!1

Us: "I don't even think it's a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country... It will be such a huge popular issue... that even if it's not successful the first time, it will eventually be."

[hifiguy]

19. And she will be lying there like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House

[Bjornsdotter]

58. It is the gift

....that keeps on giving on so many levels.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

57. That was before she got 'speech circuited'.

[saltpoint]

2. She can pander with the best of 'em.

She's done it for a long time now.

Wall Street Wanda.

[onecaliberal]

7. I love that, I'm going to use it...

[hifiguy]

8. Oh, I LIKE that one.

Filed away for future reference and use.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, DhhD.

[Thinkingabout]

5. I guess Hillary was pretending in the 90's when she made the healthcare presentation.

This is part of history, this can't be changed or re-written to day. No more pretending, just the truth, Hillary has been for healthcare for a long time. Her contention at this time is Medicare for all will not pass this congress, Sanders has already sponsored a bill which did not make it out of committee so there would not be a vote on the floor for Medicare for all.

[frylock]

11. Hillary was for single payer before she was against it.

[thesquanderer]

26. Nah, she was never for single payer.

Even that quote about it being inevitable was meant as a threat. In full context, she was telling the powerful interests that they should back her health reform plan, otherwise they'd end up with single payer, which of course none of them would want. She was promoting her plan as a way to STOP progress toward single payer.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/december/hillary-clinton-1994-statement-on-single-payer

[frylock]

36. Is this like her support of DOMA to stave off a Constitutional Amendment?

please.

[DhhD]

20. H C already has what she wanted in the first place-HMOs. Bill has his Universal Health Care.

which is what he wants. New Democrats have - limited- ACA which is what they want. the GOP has the Trickle Up and Privatization that they want.

Know what Hillary Clinton wants for the American people? Health Care being limited and limited as time goes by. She is really a cut that out candidate.

What happens when Republicans remind the American People about the third way real 1990s presidential administration and all of its triangulators, still triangulating? It will loose the election.

What will really provide health care to all Americans? Sanders single payer system.

[hopemountain]

21. +++^^^

succinct. thanks!

[Thinkingabout]

22. Make an all out effort to elect Democrats at every level, fill Congress with Democrats, it is not

going to pass with a heavy Republican congress, Sanders already knows this fact. A single payer system has to get passed in congress, it does not matter who the president may be, with almost 60 times to repeal ACA I don't think they are going to wake up in January 2017 and say it is time for single payer. This is what Hillary is saying and we know this republican congress is not going to allow this. This is the reason for raising funds for down ticket Democratic candidates, it will be difficult but is possible.

[DhhD]

33. That why the Bernie Revolution is on: 1) Every on votes; 2) vote in all Democrats down ticket.

About 1/3 of Congress is up for re-election this Nov., another third Nov of 2018 and on and on until Democrats can undo the damage that the third way and the Republicans have brought to working American families.

You say that they are not going to wake up. It is our job to wake them up. Ask them why ACA has no public option. Ask them to explain the limiting of office visit in ACA when we were told that ACA would get less expensive and better and better as the years went by. Demand that they explain how they let this happen. Simply inform yourself and vote for a candidate that is for single payer.

People are going to become angry by Nov over this two visit healthcare. This January Republicans voted to repeal ACA to cover for third way reducing the benefits. When they do not get everything they want in reductions to health services to Americans so more ACA money can Trickle Up, they send a passed Bill over to Obama to veto. Obama went into office with a Democratically controlled House and Senate and dropped the Pubic Option without Republicans asking him to do that. Strange? Not for Republicans and third way. It will be hell on us though. Some Democrats might have to go along with Republican candidates on repealing it, I am afraid. People ages 55 to 65 need more than two doctor visits a year. How about sick children with cancer-two visits-really. And it is your taxes going to wealthy CEO instead of health care for us. Sad. See why some Demos will not vote for Hillary Clinton? Democrats need to work for single payer.

http://prospect.org/article/debating-public-option

http://prospect.org/article/debating-public-option

[Thinkingabout]

37. I know Hillary's record on healthcare, I will go with the proposal Hillary has on improving ACA,

the proposal Sanders has of Medicare for all is not going to happen and it will take a few elections cycles before the members to Congress are elected. I can see why Democrats do not buy Sanders pie in the sky Medicare for all, this has been explained many times, I don't expect even the single payer to be added to the ACA in the next four years, maybe not even in eight years. So as you can see we have a difference in opinion, Hillary is hoping to improve on ACA, I don't hear Sanders say he wants to improve on ACA.

[DhhD]

50. Once ACA is in the Trickle Up mod, the money is not going to come back down into healthcare.

How on Earth can people, especially Democrats keep believing in the Reaganomics supply side Trickle-down economy. It has been debuked a zillion times and was the BIG 2008 Campaign promise of Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress.

What the hell is happening to people's ability to remember and think; to not repeat a wrong move again and again over 40 years? It is insane to repeat a process that does not work!

Hillary Clinton means to me; 4 more years of ACA getting more expensive with more limited HMO doctor access and less and less care each year while the money moves into Big Salaries and Huge Bonuses.

I believe that the real reason for Obama's need to veto the Jan 2016 repeal of ACA is because insurance companies had told him that the percentage monies for profits must go up for 2016 budget and Obama said, No (to defunding PP too). He is a lame duck for 2017. What has Hillary Clinton told them about her Plan for 2017? After they handed her PAC lots of money?

[Thinkingabout]

54. And what are going to get with the proposal by Sanders, nothing, it will be

four more years of hopefully holding on to ACA, the Medicare for will not get out of committee.

[mckara]

53. Progressives Don't Sellout to the Neoliberals Destroying Democracy and the Planet

[Thinkingabout]

55. Yes, proposing an issue which Sanders has already tried to pass is a sellout.

[mckara]

56. Hillary is a Neoliberal Sellout. She is NOT a Progressive

Neither was Bill who signed the Repeal of Glass-Steagall

The ACA is an insurance company boondoggle, which is the reason Hillary and Chief Justice Roberts approve of it.

[A Simple Game]

49. Yeah, Hillary thinks she is going to make things better by tweaking the ACA which as you say

the Republicans have tried to repeal 60 times, good luck with that Hillary.

[Dems to Win]

23. Please provide the link where Hillary was in favor of single payer health care

I was very active in health care reform during the 90s, and she never, ever supported single payer. She would never even say the words 'single payer' in public.

[DhhD]

42. She supports ACA's HMOs; now calling it by its 1992-94 name, Universal Health Care.

And she did say it up thread in a video.

Before Iowa Caucus she was saying that she wanted to strengthen what ACA has become. Now she uses the words Universal Health Care.

She is messing with people's minds with her hysteria. Sad day for her supporters, in my opinion.

This OP is party about the single payer of 1988 Democratic Campaign so your reply seems to be off topic.

[hifiguy]

6. For anyone dumb enough to believe her,

I have some beachfront property in Arizona and a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, cheap. Such a deal!!

[saltpoint]

12. I'll take the Arizona beachfront property AND

the bridge... and could you throw in a tooth from the jaw of St. Jerome?

[hifiguy]

15. For you I will even throw in a couple of splinters

from the true cross.

[saltpoint]

17. Wonderful! I bet not even Ted

Cruz has one of those!

Or maybe he does -- lodged in his throat -- which is why he is so incredibly annoying when he talks.

[reformist2]

24. She's so shameless, it's ridiculous.

[zentrum]

25. She's utterly cynical.

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That's what she means when she says "pragmatic".

She looks and talks like everything people mean when they say politicians can't be trusted. The more I see her, as a life long female Democrat, the more disaffected I am from her and the Party. The corporate Democrats are a disaster for the Party and almost as bad for the country as the Republicans.

And David Brock, bringer of Justice Thomas—running her campaign. It's like inside-out world.

[pangaia]

28. I hope Bernie is ready for her tonight

because, as my mother used to say, "mark my words," she will bring some real shit .. who knows what....

BERNIE KEEP SMILING !!!!!!!!!!

[zentrum]

30. He sounded

…so strong and centered the day after the election, talking to reporters. He's been in Washington for decades. He knows how these people are.

[pangaia]

38. Thanks for the support..... for ME ~~

[zentrum]

51. I know what you mean...

….I was a wreck on Monday night waiting for the Iowa results.

[jfern]

27. Romney was an honest straight-shooter compared to her

[dsc]

29. the fact you don't know the difference between single payer and universal care doesn't make her a

flip flopper it makes you ignorant.

[uponit7771]

35. +1, Math, science, facts and now they don't like exact phrases ... reality isn't going to go to well

... with these guys.

I don't know if I want to be around this joint on Super Tuesday

[NorthCarolina]

32. Universal "FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE". Does her 'plan' do away with the for-profit middleman?

Call me when she moves left to the majority position, otherwise color me UNIMPRESSED.

[Recursion]

39. No more than Sanders's plan does way with for-profit hospitals

Which are a much, much bigger cost sink than insurance companies.

With O'Malley's departure we don't actually have a workable healthcare plan in the race anymore, so I don't get why there's such a unidirectional volley of stones being thrown here.

[jalan48]

41. Ooooh eeeee. That there is some serious flip/flopping.

[Jack Rabbit]

45. Where's that weathervane when you need to post it?

[John Poet]

47. Jesus, Hillary, make up your fucking mind!!!

Hmmm.

[bowens43]

52. hillary thinks that the Democratic rank and file is comprised mostly of idiots who will not notice

her flip flops and lies, hillary has been on every side of every issue....