2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNot a coincidence: Hillary and Bernie are neck and neck among white voters nationally
and in Iowa, where 94% of voters are white.
IOW, the results in Iowa reflect the two candidates' national standing among white vs. minority voters. Since the state is overwhelmingly white, the vote reflects their preferences.
But the national party includes MANY voters who are people of color, and we will start hearing more of their voices soon.
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1175a2TheDemocraticContest.pdf
Regardless, the candidates support profiles indicate why Iowa and New Hampshire might not be the best places to gauge their strength nationally. Clinton leads Sanders by a broad 67-28 percent nationally among nonwhites, vs. a virtual dead heat among whites, 45-43 percent. Whites accounted for 93 percent of Democratic caucus participants in Iowa and 95 percent in the partys New Hampshire primary in 2008, vs. 65 percent across all primaries in which exit polls were conducted that year.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)If Bernie and Hillary are currently in a statistical tie with any or all of the GOP in theoretical match-ups, and Hillary is already more than completely vetted, what happens to these ties when the GOP machine of lies and hate is unleashed on Bernie?
It is a sincere question
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ever faced the national mudslinging machine. And since they feel quite comfortable making things up, he can't even rely on the truth.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)What are these negatives? You say they've been hashed out; are you talking about nonsense like Benghazi, or things that might affect her job as president?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)she was SoS when four Americans died in Benghazi, she sent emails and archived them all and asked them all to be publicly released. And all the rest of the nonsense.
And it all started out when she she said she didn't go to the WH as First Lady to bake cookies.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)ever faced in its history.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)She voted for the IWR that allowed the US to enforce the UN resolutions that depended on the finding of WMD's.
No WMD's were found and Bush went to war anyway. But the IWR didn't matter anymore because by then the Repubs held both houses of the legislature, and they gave him a blank check.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)didn't hear Hillary loudly and emphatically calling for Bush's impeachment. In fact, I didn't hear Hillary calling for Bush's impeachment after the 2006 mid-terms when Dems seized control of Congress!
Silence equals consent. Such silence doesn't inspire much confidence in her leadership abilities, nor in her capacity to learn from her mistakes.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)The IWR is a serious issue, however, although not so weighty in the GE. Most troubling to me is her waffling/flip flopping/lying that, when matched against Rubio (the likely nominee) will produce a campaign of such ugliness that millions of people will quit paying attention to politics forever, which of course is what TPTB want.
MrChuck
(279 posts)that the GOP will bomb Hillary with the email thing if she wins the nom.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)I dont think most Americans will care about that, anyway.
I also dont think there is anything of value to go after Bernie with, by the way.
But that hasnt stopped those guys before.
MrChuck
(279 posts)I think that an indictment will resonate though.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest but Clinton's skeletons make it a lot easier for me to be a Sanders supporter.
I'm a democrat voter in November no matter what.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I'm 100% with you there, and that's the key IMO. I disagree with you about the best nominee, but if Bernie wins, I will donate to him, and I will support him vigorously.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Good!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)and race is one of those key demographic elements. We are not making it a race campaign. We are pointing Out that support from POC is vital to winning the Democratic primary and right now it leans heavy towards Hillary. If Bernie and Hillary split the white vote then Bernie is in big trouble.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)without strong support from people of color. To not acknowledge that is just dumb.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)from going to Bernie. Quite simply, she cannot win on the issues. She cannot win on the likability and trust factor. The campaign has been built around the facade that she is the strongest in electability. That is crumbling. Voters under 45 go to Bernie at 60-70%. First time voters go to Bernie. Independents go to Bernie. In the over 45, Hillary leads, but not by the margins Bernie leads in his demographics.
Which brings us to the minority vote. This old fashioned wedge politics. Hillary cannot win without PoC. Of course her and Bill have an abysmal record here, but she hopes everyone forgets.