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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:13 PM Feb 2016

Not a coincidence: Hillary and Bernie are neck and neck among white voters nationally

and in Iowa, where 94% of voters are white.

IOW, the results in Iowa reflect the two candidates' national standing among white vs. minority voters. Since the state is overwhelmingly white, the vote reflects their preferences.

But the national party includes MANY voters who are people of color, and we will start hearing more of their voices soon.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1175a2TheDemocraticContest.pdf

Regardless, the candidates’ support profiles indicate why Iowa and New Hampshire might not be the best places to gauge their strength nationally. Clinton leads Sanders by a broad 67-28 percent nationally among nonwhites, vs. a virtual dead heat among whites, 45-43 percent. Whites accounted for 93 percent of Democratic caucus participants in Iowa and 95 percent in the party’s New Hampshire primary in 2008, vs. 65 percent across all primaries in which exit polls were conducted that year.

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Not a coincidence: Hillary and Bernie are neck and neck among white voters nationally (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2016 OP
Geez. I hadn't heard about this disparity before. Why isn't this in LBN????? HERVEPA Feb 2016 #1
And there is an issue still outstanding, unknown. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #2
I agree. Her negatives are already known and hashed out. Bernie hasn't pnwmom Feb 2016 #4
"Her negatives are already known and hashed out." Ron Green Feb 2016 #8
She killed Vince Foster, she did something bad at the Rose Hill law firm, pnwmom Feb 2016 #11
She voted for the Iraq War, the worst foreign policy disaster the U.S. has KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #15
She voted for the conditional IWR -- and Bush didn't meet the conditions. pnwmom Feb 2016 #16
When Bush "went to war anyway" (without the approval of the U.N. Security Council), I KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #18
I agree all of those things you mention are crap. Ron Green Feb 2016 #17
I predict MrChuck Feb 2016 #5
They have been doing that already, including some here on DU from what I can see. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #6
I agree. MrChuck Feb 2016 #7
"I'm a democrat voter in November no matter what." DanTex Feb 2016 #9
Not good news for Bernie ... looks like he's not going to be the nominee. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #3
Right! Let's just stop this charade of primaries! Right?! sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #10
Why are Hillary supporters so intent on making this a race campaign? Sincere question. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #12
Because demographics will play a critical role in determining the Democratic nominee hack89 Feb 2016 #13
White people, men and women, voted for Romney over Obama. We can't win pnwmom Feb 2016 #14
Because Hillary's ONLY hope is pinned on dissuading PoC morningfog Feb 2016 #19

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
2. And there is an issue still outstanding, unknown.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

If Bernie and Hillary are currently in a statistical tie with any or all of the GOP in theoretical match-ups, and Hillary is already more than completely vetted, what happens to these ties when the GOP machine of lies and hate is unleashed on Bernie?

It is a sincere question


pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. I agree. Her negatives are already known and hashed out. Bernie hasn't
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:21 PM
Feb 2016

ever faced the national mudslinging machine. And since they feel quite comfortable making things up, he can't even rely on the truth.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
8. "Her negatives are already known and hashed out."
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

What are these negatives? You say they've been hashed out; are you talking about nonsense like Benghazi, or things that might affect her job as president?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. She killed Vince Foster, she did something bad at the Rose Hill law firm,
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

she was SoS when four Americans died in Benghazi, she sent emails and archived them all and asked them all to be publicly released. And all the rest of the nonsense.

And it all started out when she she said she didn't go to the WH as First Lady to bake cookies.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
15. She voted for the Iraq War, the worst foreign policy disaster the U.S. has
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:10 AM
Feb 2016

ever faced in its history.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. She voted for the conditional IWR -- and Bush didn't meet the conditions.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

She voted for the IWR that allowed the US to enforce the UN resolutions that depended on the finding of WMD's.

No WMD's were found and Bush went to war anyway. But the IWR didn't matter anymore because by then the Repubs held both houses of the legislature, and they gave him a blank check.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. When Bush "went to war anyway" (without the approval of the U.N. Security Council), I
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:01 AM
Feb 2016

didn't hear Hillary loudly and emphatically calling for Bush's impeachment. In fact, I didn't hear Hillary calling for Bush's impeachment after the 2006 mid-terms when Dems seized control of Congress!

Silence equals consent. Such silence doesn't inspire much confidence in her leadership abilities, nor in her capacity to learn from her mistakes.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
17. I agree all of those things you mention are crap.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

The IWR is a serious issue, however, although not so weighty in the GE. Most troubling to me is her waffling/flip flopping/lying that, when matched against Rubio (the likely nominee) will produce a campaign of such ugliness that millions of people will quit paying attention to politics forever, which of course is what TPTB want.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
6. They have been doing that already, including some here on DU from what I can see.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

I dont think most Americans will care about that, anyway.

I also dont think there is anything of value to go after Bernie with, by the way.

But that hasnt stopped those guys before.

MrChuck

(279 posts)
7. I agree.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

I think that an indictment will resonate though.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest but Clinton's skeletons make it a lot easier for me to be a Sanders supporter.
I'm a democrat voter in November no matter what.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. "I'm a democrat voter in November no matter what."
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:25 PM
Feb 2016

I'm 100% with you there, and that's the key IMO. I disagree with you about the best nominee, but if Bernie wins, I will donate to him, and I will support him vigorously.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Because demographics will play a critical role in determining the Democratic nominee
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

and race is one of those key demographic elements. We are not making it a race campaign. We are pointing Out that support from POC is vital to winning the Democratic primary and right now it leans heavy towards Hillary. If Bernie and Hillary split the white vote then Bernie is in big trouble.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. White people, men and women, voted for Romney over Obama. We can't win
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

without strong support from people of color. To not acknowledge that is just dumb.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. Because Hillary's ONLY hope is pinned on dissuading PoC
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

from going to Bernie. Quite simply, she cannot win on the issues. She cannot win on the likability and trust factor. The campaign has been built around the facade that she is the strongest in electability. That is crumbling. Voters under 45 go to Bernie at 60-70%. First time voters go to Bernie. Independents go to Bernie. In the over 45, Hillary leads, but not by the margins Bernie leads in his demographics.

Which brings us to the minority vote. This old fashioned wedge politics. Hillary cannot win without PoC. Of course her and Bill have an abysmal record here, but she hopes everyone forgets.

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