2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere is huge backlash against the Sanders's campaign for throwing Astrid Silva under the bus.
Bernie Sanders National Latino Press Secretary, Erika Andiola accused the DREAMer activist Astrid Silva of endorsing Hillary Clinton for a press hit.
Erika Andiola
?@ErikaAndiola
Difference btw showcasing "Dreamers" & organizing w/ "Dreamers"? 1 will get you a press hit, other 1 will build political power
#FeelTheBern
https://twitter.com/ErikaAndiola/status/694921445839921153
The official Bernie Sanders's twitter retweeted the tweet.
Tick Segerblom, a surrogate and endorser of Bernie Sanders tweeted
Tick Segerblom
?@tsegerblom
am i the only one who think its ironic dreamers are telling us not to dream
https://twitter.com/tsegerblom/status/694957262863933440
A lot of immigrants activists are defending Astrid over the Sander's campaign attacks. Even Senator Harry Reid had to step in and make a comment.
Senator Harry Reid
?@SenatorReid
.@Astrid_NV isn't a press hit. She's my friend, an activist and a hero to so many people across America working for better life.
https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/694987512146624512
The backlash against Bernie Sander's campaign for its attacks against the immigration activists who endorsed Hillary Clinton is becoming bigger and bigger by the moment. I think the Sanders's campaign needs to apologize or the push back is only going to get bigger.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Throwing her under the bus went too far. I hope Bernie Sanders's campaign apologizes soon.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)What she says reflects on the campaign. She is Sanders's National Latino press secretary.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #8)
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NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)they love to take the tiniest slivers of nothing and blow them up into the biggest scandals that the universe has ever known.
"OMG Becky!!! Under the bus!!! This is the end of the world!!!"
It's like a middle-school gossip brigade.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)but in the end, everyone sees it for what it is.
So glad Bernie doesn't engage in this curious brand of infantile behavior.
We've got big issues to discuss. They're got small tweets to feign outrage over, just hoping that they inflict some kind of damage.
Never before have two Democratic campaigns differed so starkly in their ideas; and in the way they conduct themselves as human beings.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He is supposed to be forming alliances with minorities, not doing battle with them. Blacks and now Hispanics? The two biggies. Who next? The Paiutes since he'll be in Nevada anyway?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That should be an issue for all of us. Nevada is a purple state this election.
This is from a good article about the way the GOP went over with Latinos in Iowa with two "sorta latino-ish" candidates.
According to experts, Republicans need 40 percent of the Latino vote to win the general election in November. (Guess how much we need.)
Latino Democrats said none of the top three GOP finishers in Iowa were a viable alternative.
Dolores Huerta, a farmworker organizer now working with People for the American Way, said Cruz would be a "disastrous" president and accused him of having a "dangerously extreme" agenda. She said Rubio has followed in Trump and Cruz's footsteps. "In recent weeks, Rubio has taken a hard-right turn, painting all immigrants as possible terrorists," she said.
Cristobal Alex, executive director of Latino Victory Project which seeks to put Latinos in elected office, called the performances of Cruz and Rubio in the Iowa caucus "bittersweet." He said while "we want to celebrate that two Latinos have climbed to the top of the political ladder," "they've kicked the ladder down behind them so that our community can't climb up. What they should have done is reached back to lift up our community," he said. "Instead, they turned their back on us."
NEVADA is ours (Democrats!) to win. Hillary's on board. How about Bernie?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/ted-cruz-1st-latino-win-iowa-gop-hispanics-eyeing-rubio-n509801
Do you blame them?
Agony
(2,605 posts)and in HRCville experts in propaganda catapulting abound!
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Reminds me of Black on Black argument over whether the Oscars are racist. Nothing to see here move along.
dinkytron
(568 posts)And though this fear has got them in attack mode, it is ultimately a good thing for Bernie. Nothing like a trial by fire.
Its unfortunate for Hillary that for the second time in eight years, she is up against a singular and exceptional opponent. Her impressive resume, connections and rich benefactors are no match for Bernie's morale compass and conviction. The youth demographics, the fundraising records, brilliant ads, bypassing super pacs and of course, the real zinger... Bernie was on the right side of so many big issues that Hillary was on the wrong side of. Iraq war, Keystone pipeline, Gay rights.
It feels like the stars are just aligned for Bernie. Of course this is all just my opinion. Thanks for making me stop and think about things.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)This piling on by some Bernie supporters of total BS towards any person or any organization that has the effrontery to endorse Hillary Clinton is - at the very least - chilling.
The thing is that Dreamers have more immediate concerns than income inequality and those are "real issues" for them as they are not for you apparently. And when activists who have been courageous enough to put their lives and careers on the line to fight not only for themselves but for others are totally disrespected or dismissed, that in itself becomes a "real issue."
So how is that Hillary fans propagating B**S***? If there is any B***S*** being propagated, it has been done by anyone who has disrespected and dismissed Astrid Silva.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)They tied their little red wagon to the playground bully, and now they cannot find a way to step away with any grace. They are stuck with being mean until the bell rings.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)The attacks and smears are already starting.
If Bernie steps on a bug, they'll start yelling, "OMG! He stepped on a puppy!"
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I'm surprised the bearings haven't frozen up yet
thereismore
(13,326 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Geez . . .
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Essentially accusing the campaign of using DREAMers for press attention rather than organizing with DREAMers.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)in this case, the showcase is Astrid and the Clinton campaign is doing the showing while the Bernie campaign is doing the doing.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Complete misrepresentation.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Here's her tweet responding to the attacks.
@Astrid_NV
Mr. R, I crossed a river at 4 years old to get to this country. A little water hardly means anything. #ShesWithMe
https://mobile.twitter.com/Astrid_NV/status/694939909614796800
Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #24)
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Fronkonsteen
(75 posts)Andiola accused Hillary Clinton of showcasing Silva for a press hit. Now Silva's being exploited to smear Bernie. Shameful.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)This is why the controversy has blown up. Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton chimed n defending Astrid.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Thanks for the facts!
Fronkonsteen
(75 posts)It was directed at Clinton. If Silva took it as an attack upon herself, that was her perception. A plain reading of the tweet proves otherwise. Now they are exploiting her to attack Sanders. Shameful.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)ecstatic
(32,712 posts)Bernie's official twitter account is now complicit in the bullying???!
oasis
(49,389 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Oh yeah, a bullshit manufactured controversy.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts).....but we see you.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm afraid I don't know him.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Otherwise, it will spill over into other public spaces and cause him real harm.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Machine is that they will do anything to win. How does this type of fight help progress pressing issues to Latino population? All it does is divide, and cause wedge between democrats all for political gain. They don't care about the bottom line, just how they can use people to get in power.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Some supporter of Bernie's tweeted something and you try to make a big deal out of it?
Bernie didn't tweet that!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Boomer
(4,168 posts)Funny how I've somehow missed this tsunami of criticism that is gathering momentum... somewhere.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Original post)
1000words This message was self-deleted by its author.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Bernie needs to ignore this manufactured controversy.
Anything he says will be twisted by the Hillary campaign.
Just walk away.
Bernie is Liberal on Immigration Policy.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)...thought in the past 50 years.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She claims to be an advocate for women, but she authorized the needless murder of thousands of women in Libya in the most brutal way possible (blown to pieces).
Before Hillary, women has rights in Libya.
They could own property, keep money, run shops, drive cars, wear blue jeans, attend University, and much more ,but not after Hillary "helped" them with the Freedom Bombs.
The rebels radicalized black flag terrorist militants associated with AlQaeda have instituted Sharia Law.
Hillary set women's rights back 1000 years in Libya.
[font size=1] New Billboard in Libya showing women how they must dress after Gaddafi was tortured and murdered[/font]
I haven't heard Hillary apologize to THOSE hundreds of thousands of women yet.
When do you think she will do that?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Completely tone-deaf.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Seeing how Bernie wins elections affirms every misgiving I had about his entry in the Dem primary cycle which seemed then and seems now like an insanely bad idea.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)Ericka birthed an organization to support dreamers and immigration reform. one of the dreamers/members of the organization comes out in support of the candidate (clinton) who does not support the dreamer movement, much less any meaningful or real progressive form of immigration reform.
THEN, the candidate's (clinton's) campaign holds up the dreamer and touts her support - full on in the face of the founder's prominent position in the opposing candidate's campaign which aligns most closely with the dreamer organization's vision and mission statement.
this is clearly conflict of interest as perceived by the dreamer's organization. so, astrid get's called out...
astrid must assess her purpose or reason for belonging to the dreamer organization because her affiliation and support of hillary is in conflict with the dreamer organization.
why harry decided to step in and think it was constructive is beyond me.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)judge ericka and astrid's conflict? let me guess....
this is a conflict within an non profit organization to which you do not belong. how interesting that you think it is your business to determine proper action by two latinas - same as reid.
fyi. reid is probably one of the most misogynist, greedy, and racist hypocritical & wealthiest "democrat" senators in the senate. just ask the red, brown, and black poorer residents of nevada. he is paid for an bought by corporations and casino moguls. but, of course, no one wants to believe the truth about him.
really, ask yourself why he "stooped" to insert himself in a disagreement between 2 latina dreamers.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Sanders is going nowhere with them due to this horrid behavior.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)This crap is so transparent. Every single damn time a pro-Clinton post gets at ton of rec's it is some Hillbots crying over some perceived slight. And it's always nothing more than a political difference that they are trying to spin into a racist or sexist ATTACK!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
bunnies
(15,859 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)They are not pleased.
Looking at Twitter, some of the AA posters I follow there who have been attacked in the past are rallying support. Soledad O'Brien got pulled in too and is taking fire....
What that campaign is thinking when they do things like this is beyond me. "Let's attack a young female, basically still a teenager, for endorsing another candidate! And then when we get called on it, let's double down!"
You know what? I didn't know who Silva was before yesterday, despite knowing a few activists who has worked with her in the past. Hardly anyone would have cared about the endorsement. But now EVERYONE knows. Coalitions are being formed to protect her from abuse. Her name is being shouted from the digital rooftops as a rallying cry. Do they realize they are becoming so notorious that they create martyrs now?