Howard Dean: Hillary didn't do paid speeches

[left-of-center2012]

Former Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean tried to claim on MSNBC’s Morning Joe Wednesday that Hillary Clinton had never received hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from colleges ...
“Yes, she is!” co-host Joe Scarborough said.

“No, she’s not,” Dean said obstinately.

www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-denies-hillary-did-paid-speeches-gets-shot-down-by-msnbc-producer/

[840high]

1. What happened to Dean?

[hobbit709]

3. Evidently money got the better of his conscience.

[840high]

5. Too bad. I always

thought so highly of him.

[840high]

48. Disgusting.

[One of the 99]

52. Nothing.

Dean was a life long republican who only switched to be a democrat so he could run for governor in Vermont. He was one of the most conservative Democratic governors in the country during his term. He has close ties to AIPAC and the gun lobby.

[Romulox]

2. Howard Dean is destroying his credibility with his shilling. nt

[Ferd Berfel]

12. Howard Dean HAS destroyed his credibility - done, full stop

Obviously we dodged a bullet on this one.

[Live and Learn]

69. +10,000 nt

[tarheelsunc]

80. Yeah, "obviously" better to have President Shrub in office for four more years... eom

[demwing]

89. If Dean had won, he wouldn't have run the DNC, & we might never have seen Obama

And there's the chance that we'd be on the tail end of a McCain 2nd term. On the other hand, if there were no Obama to run against, McCain might not have picked Palin out of obscurity, stupid would not have been a virtue, and we probably wouldn't be up against a candidate Trump.

Butterfly effects...

[Myrina]

81. Agreed. So sad what he's devolved into.

And I was an early Deaniac.

[UglyGreed]

4. No she didn't!!!!!

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[Kelvin Mace]

30. OK, calling foul here

Yes, there are lots of reasons to criticize Dean on this one, and I am in the camp that feels he sold out to the insurance lobby, but this pic references a rightwing/corporate media smear and has no place in the argument. Dean was unfairly demonized over the "Dean Scream" and using it here does not make us look good.

[daleanime]

32. I agree.....

[UglyGreed]

41. It was a joke

let's not think that everything is a right wing smear. I'll replace it and please tell me if the new one is offensive.

[Kelvin Mace]

55. The pic has become iconic

of the moment, and the moment was literally fabricated by the media.The right took it and ran and smeared Dean as "unhinged".

[UglyGreed]

64. I did not mean it that way

at all, like I said it was joke.

[Kelvin Mace]

66. I understand

and accept your explanation. I simply explained my rational for the benefit of some folks who may not have been around back then.

We're cool.

[UglyGreed]

44. BTW in my honest

opinion one does not sellout, especially those who are already pretty wealthy and have decent lives, but of course your opinion may differ.

[Kelvin Mace]

54. For some people,

they never have enough money.

[UglyGreed]

65. I agree

[Live and Learn]

71. They shouldn't but they do. It is heartbreaking to watch. nt

[Live and Learn]

70. +1000 nt

[AtomicKitten]

6. Well that's a damn lie, Howard. Sorry to see you doing it on her behalf.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/plans-for-ucla-visit-give-rare-glimpse-into-hillary-clintons-paid-speaking-career/2014/11/26/071eb0cc-7593-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html?tid=a_inl

Plans for UCLA visit give rare glimpse into Hillary Clinton’s paid speaking career

When officials at the University of California at Los Angeles began negotiating a $300,000 speech appearance by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the school had one request: Could we get a reduced rate for public universities?

The answer from Clinton’s representatives: $300,000 is the “special university rate.”

That e-mail exchange and other internal communications, obtained this week by The Washington Post under a Freedom of Information Act request, provide a rare glimpse into the complex and meticulous backstage efforts to manage the likely 2016 presidential candidate’s lucrative speaking career. At UCLA, efforts to book Clinton and then prepare for her visit were all-consuming, beginning almost immediately after she left her job as secretary of state on Feb. 1, 2013, until she delivered her Luskin Lecture for Thought Leadership speech on March 5, 2014.

The documents show that Clinton’s representatives at the Harry Walker Agency exerted considerable control over her appearance and managed even the smallest details — from requesting lemon wedges and water on stage to a computer, scanner, and a spread of hummus and crudité in the green room backstage.

Top university officials discussed at length the style and color of the executive armchairs Clinton and moderator Lynn Vavreck would sit in as they carried on a question-and-answer session, as well as the kind of pillows to be situated on each chair. Clinton’s representatives requested that the chairs be outfitted with two long, rectangular pillows — and that two cushions be kept backstage in case the chair was too deep and she needed additional back support.

After a lengthy call with a Clinton representative, UCLA administrator Patricia Lippert reported to campus colleagues, “She uses a lavalier [microphone] and will both speak from the audience and walk around stage, TED talk style. We need a teleprompter and 2-3 downstage scrolling monitors [for] her to read from.” During a walk-through of Royce Hall five days before the lecture, the e-mails show, Clinton’s team rejected the podium planned for her use during her 20- to 30-minute speech, setting off a scramble on campus to find a suitable podium and rent a new university seal to match.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-college-balks-at-hillary-clintons-speaking-fee-turns-to-chelsea-instead/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-college-balks-at-hillary-clintons-fee-so-books-chelsea-for-65000-instead/2015/06/29/b1918e42-1e78-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Report: College balks at Hillary Clinton's speaking fee, turns to Chelsea instead

When the University of Missouri at Kansas City asked former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to speak at the opening of the school's new women's hall of fame in 2014, they were surprised to learn how much her appearance would cost. "Yikes!" read one university official's response to the quoted fee of $275,000, according to emails obtained by the Washington Post. Instead of forking over the large sum, the university instead paid $65,000 for Chelsea Clinton, the former first daughter, to speak at the event.

The Clintons' speaking fees -- from which they've earned huge sums of money -- have come under scrutiny since Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign started to ramp up. From January 2014 through early May 2015, former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton together earned more than $25 million from about a total of 100 paid speeches, a Clinton campaign official told CBS News. Hillary Clinton's speaking fees ranged from about $100,000 to over $300,000.

However, Mrs. Clinton has said that every dollar she's earned speaking at universities since stepping down as secretary of state has gone into the philanthropic work of the Clinton Foundation. Earlier this year, the foundation listed online the funds it has raised through the Clintons' speaking fees.

Chelsea Clinton's spokesman told the Post that the fee collected from the University of Missouri at Kansas City also went to the foundation.

[Karmadillo]

7. You've passed the audition for a cabinet position, sir. Keep up the good work.

[NCTraveler]

8. I believe Wesley Clark got $50,000 from UF.

Kerry got about the same.

We gave, I can't remember his name, hideous porn start guy, 10 or so thousand.

All just to speak and have meetings with groups. All one day.

[zalinda]

11. Okay, but $300,000, as a special price? For a university? eom

[NCTraveler]

13. I agree. It is a huge sum.

And in almost all circumstances, they aren't paid by the University. Not that the distinction is big. Portions of funds often come from a number of different areas at UF and are pooled into a non-profit. The non-profit is then run by a committee separate from the University.

[SwampG8r]

24. This is true about uf

Add the impact of locals coming to attend and big names pay off
The profits usually fund smaller events year round
I have to imagine every college town does.the same to a degree.
Like them or not these events pay for themselves add revenues to the bottome line and get the hosts name out in a positive way. Win win win.
What they pay is what they pay i think its a lot but i am oldd.and cheap and my values were founded in youthful poverty.
Dont like it dont go. The community college here has a great concert hall and i dont complain about how much heart got paid i was too happy with the show

[NCTraveler]

34. It is a great program.

I found out about it after my first couple of weeks at UF. I read a story about Justice O'Connor in the Alligator who had spoken the night before. I signed up for updates at that point. I planned on going to see Kerry but ended up camping I think. Kind of glad. I'm not into seeing people in pain. Lol Still saw a lot of really good speakers. They also do other things during their time on campus.

[HerbChestnut]

16. Ron Jeremy?

[NCTraveler]

17. That's the one. Yes, we paid him to come speak. nt.

[SwampG8r]

25. Awesome lecture too

You were in on that? Wow.

[Kelvin Mace]

35. Again, I really don't see what any of these people have to say that is worth that kind of cash

The book/lecture circuit may be above board for genuine authors/artists/actors, but for politicians and public servants, current and former (and those seeking public office) it is part of the legalized bribery machine.

And before you say "Well, would you turn down easy money for a speech?" The answer is yes, I would, and I did. Back in the midst of the fight over e-voting I was invited a number of places from universities, to news programs, to "private events" to give my views on a fight I was right in the middle of. I turned down "honoraria" or any compensation beyond my actual travel expenses. I NEVER wanted to be in a position of not being my own man or having to explain why I accepted money from person x, or group y.

Saying "no" to speaking fees was hard, because I needed the money. But not enough take it and any strings that might be attached.

[NCTraveler]

39. I don't know what's not to get.

For @ $50,000 we got Kerry to fly into town. He had meetings with faculty, staff, and student groups. He gave a speech and opened the floor for comments. The University gets to use the images to recruit for decades. It gives them more clout in the system to stay as one of the top recruiters for speeches.

In the case of Kerry, Gainsville itself profited way more than $50,000 from making bank off the "don't tase me" incident alone.

I just missed Justice O'Connor at UF. Wish I was at that one.

[Kelvin Mace]

60. You are likely to repel as many people as you would recruit,

so it's a wash.

Also, what's is magical about getting a politician to give a speech? Hell, right now they are paying TV stations, radios stations and web sites money to make me listen to them.

The $50,000 would have been better spent on the students.

[JI7]

82. John Kerry was Senator . I'm pretty sure he did not get 50k for a speech

[karynnj]

61. When were these paid speeches?

Since 1989, it has been illegal for federal employees to accept speaking fees. I think they can only get their costs reimbursed. Note that Hillary Clinton made no paid speeches as either a Senator or as Secretary of State.

[LiberalLovinLug]

9. Funny then why the Clintons would claim 25 million in speaking fees.

plus the 5 million she got for her book to the Federal Election Commission in 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/16/hillary-and-bill-clinton-earn-more-than-25m-for-giving-100-speeches

Hillary Clinton and her husband and former president Bill Clinton reported on Friday they had earned more than $25m in speaking fees since January 2014.

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign reported the income in a personal financial disclosure report filed with the Federal Election Commission. The report, required of every candidate for the White House, also shows she earned more than $5m from her 2014 memoir, Hard Choices.

Howard, Howard, Howard. The tactic of just repeating a lie over and over to somehow create a "truthiness" out of it only works on tea bagger morans. What the hell happened to him? Did Hillary promise to bring him back from the hinterland and give him some prime cut in her inevitable cabinet?

[Recursion]

56. Were they from colleges? (nt)

[LiberalLovinLug]

68. ah

I didn't get the "colleges" part the first time.

[Recursion]

72. I have zero dog in this fight, I just haven't actually seen an example of a college paying her

I've got no particular reason to believe she did or didn't; she seems to have taken a lot of money from a lot of groups for speeches, I just haven't actually seen "Schmuckatelli Polytechnic Institute paid her $X to speak on Y date."

[LiberalLovinLug]

73. Well.....there were at least two from the OP story above....

“UNLV in October of 2014, she got $225,000. Then a month later, UCLA, she got $300,000.”

To his credit, Dean admitted he was wrong. “I stand corrected,” he said. “I will humbly eat crow, Joe. Do you have a serving of crow?”

[Uncle Joe]

10. Kicking for Howard Dean looking over the still waters of truth.

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Thanks for the thread, left-of-center.

[Matariki]

14. Hey, it works for the Republicans

just get folks repeating the lie and it soon doesn't even matter that it's a lie. Follow this by mocking anyone who insists otherwise like so:

[restorefreedom]

15. so, they just gave it to her?

that is soooo much worse..

howard, howard, howard

[stonecutter357]

18. Don't Berniebro Dr. Dean.

thanks.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. So, pointing out the truth is somehow abusing Howard Dean?

[TwilightGardener]

20. Say whuuut?

I'm serious, did he lose his mind?

[pa28]

21. At least he admitted he was wrong when confronted with proof.

But still . . . what happened to you Howard?

[sadoldgirl]

22. Since it has been proven, his denial makes

him a what?

[hifiguy]

23. ?????

I never thought I'd see Howard Dean turn into a lying shill. I guess nearly everyone has their price. Sad.

[polichick]

26. Dean has sold his soul - poor fucker.

[Motown_Johnny]

27. Denial or Deanial?

Pretty typical for someone supporting Clinton though. Reality must be denied at all costs.

[PoliticAverse]

28. “I stand corrected,” he said. “I will humbly eat crow, Joe. Do you have a serving of crow?”

It seems he was just clueless as to the issue.

[ljm2002]

86. But then if one is clueless...

...one does not dig in one's heels on the topic when challenged, especially on national TV.

He was shilling.

[onecaliberal]

29. She will throw him away when she's done. He's an idiot for lying for her.

So easily proven.

[Myrina]

83. Yep. Sadly.

n/t

[elias49]

31. Started a thread like this earlier today

and pretty much got pummeled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511128170

I think Hillary's big tent is collapsing. That's what happens when you prevaricate.
When you play both sides to the middle.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. Watch Bernie fanatics throw Dr. Dean under the bus after loving him for so many years....

...in 3...2...1!

[Kelvin Mace]

37. When you betray your principles and make false claims

under the bus is where you belong. Personally, I throw people under a chocolate bus, since I am not into violence anymore.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Dr. Dean made an error, so he deserves to be under the bus? Gee, I hope Sanders doesn't show

he's human. You guys would have a fit!

[basselope]

43. Supporting Clinton in the first place was when I lost respect for him.

How he could support and Iraq war voter is beyond me.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. Well, I agree on both fronts. I despise the Clintons, and I have no respect for ANY Democrat who

supported the Iraq INVASION (I never refer to it as a 'war').

However, when Dean was going after President Obama on the health care issue, I tried to remind everyone how conservative Dean really is. If I remember correctly, Dean coined himself a conservative primarily on economic issues.

[basselope]

50. Dean never claimed to be a liberal

and I respected him because (like Bernie) he was honest in his beliefs.

That seems to have changed.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. No. But he used the word "progressive," and he went after the DLC and was responsible in some

part for dismantling it.

I wouldn't call him a liberal and never did. It was the people here at DU who put him in that box, the same way they put Obama in that box when there was absolutely no indication that Obama is/was a liberal.

But DU turned on Obama after realizing his non-liberal status. DUH! I could've told them that.

The same is now happening with Dean who was beloved in large part because at least for many DUers, he was characterized as a liberal.

[basselope]

53. I am with you on Obama and was never that excited about his candidacy.

I voted green in 2008 and 2012 (live in Cali, so I get the luxury of doing that).

My problem with Dean at this juncture is that he seems to be going back on the very principles that were a central part of his platform. Endorsing a war voter? Employed by a health care lobby and coming out against single payer? Just 2 years ago he was calling for Medicare for all (

?t=1m54s)

So this isn't people realizing parts of Dean that aren't Liberal. Heck, he was ALWAYS against federal gun control and felt states should have as much or as little gun control as they needed.

This is about a man who build his reputation on certain principles and seeming to turn his back on them completely.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. Agreed. I have little respect for most people who support the Clintons, but that's just me.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. I have been a Dean critic for years because he goes on TV and lies, as Chair he claimed our Platform

had a plank against marriage equality which it did not and when corrected he reasserted his bullshit and when later confronted with his lie he laughed in my very own face.
I see no honor, no ethics, no respect for others out of Dean. He should have known our Platform and when he got it wrong he should have corrected himself also on TV. He's a great leaping jerk.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. Well, you have always been consistent, BNW, when it comes to LGBT rights, so I cannot argue with you

there.

[Kelvin Mace]

59. Dean now opposes single-payer

a program he championed. But then he became a lobbyist and now opposes-single payer.

That is not an "error" that is malice aforethought.

He then stands up and makes a claim about HRC that even my cat knows is wrong. Yes, might be an error, but it also might be a willful lie, or just craven stupidity. Regardless, none of these possibilities reflect well on Dean.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

76. I was referring to his comment about HRC's speeches. Now, if he's changed his mind on other

issues, that's on him.

I was never enamored with Dean like most DUers were. Ya'll are only now just waking up.

[liberal_at_heart]

58. Sorry, I have never loved Dean. He has always been too economically conservative for me.

And now he's a lobbyist.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

79. Same here! But when DUers where using Dean to attack Obama, I tried to explain to them that

Dean was never a liberal and was in fact very fiscally conservative.

I'm not sure you were around during those debates, but I remember having to explain to people how Dean is, in a lot of ways, is just as conservative as Republicans on some economic issues.

No one would listen to me; they just wanted to bash Obama.

Now perhaps they see.

That's what I mean about "throwing Dean under the bus" now after all this time.

[Logical]

84. When you flat out make shit up you deserve to be called out! Nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

91. Well, call it out then, but don't act like ya'll didn't worship the guy, especially when he was

beating up on Obama.

[onecaliberal]

90. Why in the hell would we support someone who comes out telling pants on fire lies

Seriously...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

92. You shouldn't, but this feigned self-righteousness was never present when Dean was going after

President Obama.

I can't stand HRC either, but the hypocrisy that some DUers are displaying here is quite fascinating to me.

[onecaliberal]

94. I wasn't here at that time, so don't put what other people did to Obama on me. I fully supported

and voted for him both times. My outrage is not feigned. Don't pretend to know the first thing about me.

[Jefferson23]

38. Amazing. Dean needs to vet his preferred candidate better before going on air. n/t

[basselope]

42. Its sad to see what has become of him.

I am still very proud of the work I did for his campaign and will remember that time fondly.

His 50 state strategy is what gave Obama the groundwork to win in 2008 with the House and Senate.

However, it seems Dean's desire to be on the INSIDE overcame his beliefs.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. She did magic tricks? Dance recitals? Played the accordian? Acrobatics?

Or, just asked for bribes...er, campaign contributions in sign language?

[jfern]

57. Wow, how sad

I can't believe I once supported this joke.

[LSK]

62. Can someone explain to me why this matters????

Who gives a shit????


:

[phleshdef]

63. He also said Sanders had no executive experience... ignoring the fact that he was mayor for 8 years.

Dean is really letting me down.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

67. Howard has amnesia?

[ebayfool]

74. So there are set prices for college speeches, but not Goldman Sachs? They just offered her the cash?

[ljm2002]

87. So it would seem...

...or at least, that's what Hillary would have us believe.

[DrDan]

75. good heavens - he admitted he was wrong

"To his credit, Dean admitted he was wrong. “I stand corrected,” he said. “I will humbly eat crow, Joe. Do you have a serving of crow?”"

[KingCharlemagne]

78. What a tool. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Former 2002-04 Deaniac here. - nt

[FlatBaroque]

85. Howard Dean's Facebook page is a riot

On the left hand side is a log of visitor comments. LMAO

https://www.facebook.com/Howard-Dean-34668722504/?fref=ts

[jillan]

88. Seriously - did something happen to him? He's not very coherent anymore.

Maybe we should be thankful for that Dean didn't really scream.

Something is not right.

[CTyankee]

93. that was a real uh-oh moment...

he then made a joke about eating crow for the rest of the day...not very funny...