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Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:45 PM Feb 2016

When Bernie Met Hillary-Long before challenging Clinton, Sanders reached out to her. He got nowhere

Last edited Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Fascinating Read By BEN SCHRECKINGER - about healthcare, NAFTA and more. Recommend reading the whole thing.

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As one of Congress’s most liberal members in the 1990s, Sanders went back and forth between clashing with Bill Clinton and warily embracing the leader of the centrist New Democrats. But even before the Clintons were in the White House, Bernie was playing the role of pragmatic progressive, making overtures directly to Hillary and working to pull her to the left.

In 1992, the lone socialist in Congress, Rep. Bernard Sanders, as he was then known, wasn’t wild about the centrist Arkansas Governor running for president, and he let it be known publicly. “Bernie was the founder of the progressive caucus. Clinton was the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, the whole point of which was to exterminate the progressives,” said Bill Curry, who served as counselor to the president during Clinton’s first term. “They weren’t even two ships passing in the night. They were two ships sailing in the opposite direction.”

But in May of 1992, Sanders wrote to the First Lady of Arkansas at her Little Rock law firm to tout a bill he had written to provide federal funding for state cancer registries, attaching his testimony on the bill’s behalf and a Reader’s Digest article calling registries “THE CANCER WEAPON AMERICA NEEDS MOST.”


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That summer, Sanders issued what the Vermont newspapers described as a “reluctant” and “half-hearted” endorsement of Clinton, saying that a second Bush term would be disastrous. In September, Clinton traveled to Vermont for a campaign rally in Burlington at Perkins Piers on Lake Champlain. Sanders was in attendance, and Clinton made sure to point out just how vast the gap was between Sanders and the Republican nominee on Sanders’ pet issue: health care.


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In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, “to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system,” according to the records of the administration’s task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care.

They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. “She said, ‘You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that?’” recalled Himmelstein. “And I said, “How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said, ‘Tell me something real.’ ”


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By October, Sanders’ next invitation for the Clintons to come to Vermont was not in a note to the White House, but in a hostile letter to the editor in The New York Times. “You report Oct. 25 that President Clinton believes the economy has turned the corner, on the path of a steady recovery. To get a better perspective on this view I urge the President to visit Vermont, where in the last year a Digital plant has closed, St. Johnsbury Trucking has closed, Johnson Controls is planning a shutdown, I.B.M. and G.E. have slashed hundreds of well-paying jobs, and workers from several companies are negotiating give-back contracts,” wrote Sanders. “I would hope that a President as intelligent as Mr. Clinton does not repeat the absurd economic dogma of Reaganomics.”
At the time, Sanders was a vocal opponent of the administration-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, which the House approved in November.

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With the moral support of the Heritage Foundation, Sanders led the bipartisan opposition in 1998 to the Clinton Administration’s plan to infuse the International Monetary Fund with $18 billion to bail out the economies hit by the 1997 Asian financial crisis, which Congress ultimately rejected. He also voted against the Financial Services Act of 1999, which passed and repealed the Glass-Steagall Act’s prohibition on mixing commercial banking, investment banking or insurance in a single institution.

By the time Sanders arrived in the Senate in 2007, Hillary Clinton was already gearing up for her first presidential run, though the two did find opportunities to join forces during their two-year overlap in the upper chamber. In 2007, they co-authored the Green Jobs Act, which funded renewable energy and energy efficiency programs and passed as part of a larger energy bill. They both served on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, and in July 2008, along with Barack Obama and Ted Kennedy, the pair co-sponsored the Access for All America Act to expand the availability of primary care medicine, which died in committee.


More . . . http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082

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When Bernie Met Hillary-Long before challenging Clinton, Sanders reached out to her. He got nowhere (Original Post) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 OP
Thank for posting this. It is a very interesting read. CentralMass Feb 2016 #1
Thanks for posting. We must keep up the momentum to overthrow the current culture rhett o rick Feb 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #3
There are Republicans against the TPP. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #4
There are some Republicans who are opposed Mike__M Feb 2016 #7
reductio ad absurdum....i love it! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31
Did you read what the opposition was about? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #8
Not what Obama said zipplewrath Feb 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #13
Distinction searching for a difference zipplewrath Feb 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #27
I can't even address that. white_wolf Feb 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #30
A few percent zipplewrath Feb 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #41
The ACA has a lot of elements from Bob Dole's old plan which he got from the HF. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #25
Oh please. Heritage Plan is Romneycare and Romneycare is Obamacare Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #12
100% EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #18
Reactionary not odd cali Feb 2016 #9
It helps to know your history. The Heritage Foundation found themselves in the company of Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #10
Yeah, you know the same Heritage that wrote the model for Romneycare, aka Obamacare. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #16
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #5
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #15
K&R blackspade Feb 2016 #17
Interesting history. Including the part about being anti-progressive. JudyM Feb 2016 #19
Says it all, doesn't it? nt hifiguy Feb 2016 #20
That's the nub, right there. Everything follows. n/t bvf Feb 2016 #26
Bill Curry is a Sanders supporter who has been urging Sanders to attack Hillary. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #32
No More Third Way Clintons or their Cronies. SoapBox Feb 2016 #21
Excellent read, Nanjeanne. bvf Feb 2016 #22
Very interesting read. geardaddy Feb 2016 #23
The insurance companies did exactly what she said they would do. Lucinda Feb 2016 #24
Bernie had no practical answer for how to handle insurance company opposition then, nor does he now. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #33
Yep. I love his goals for the country, but they have to be able to pass. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #34
It can't pass without a lot of people pushing from below eridani Feb 2016 #35
He did answer Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #36
K&R. More chilling and damning Clinton history. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #28
Shorter on single-payer: Triana Feb 2016 #37
She worships money FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #38
“How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said, cyberswede Feb 2016 #40
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. Thanks for posting. We must keep up the momentum to overthrow the current culture
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

corrupted by Big Money. The Clintons have always been on the wrong side of this class war.

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
4. There are Republicans against the TPP.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

Are you telling me we should then support the TPP because they oppose it? There ARE times when Conservatives and Liberals find common ground. Frankly, why should we be obligated to bail out foreign countries?!

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
7. There are some Republicans who are opposed
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

to kicking kittens; therefore, we are morally obligated to support kitten kicking.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
6. Did you read what the opposition was about?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

With the moral support of the Heritage Foundation, Sanders led the bipartisan opposition in 1998 to the Clinton Administration’s plan to infuse the International Monetary Fund with $18 billion to bail out the economies hit by the 1997 Asian financial crisis, which Congress ultimately rejected.

And aren't we supposed to be all about bipartisanship. Especially when it's in opposition to a bailout.

And what the hell do you think the ACA is? It's the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan.

Your outrage is a bit odd.

Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #6)

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Not what Obama said
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

He said that his plan "...wasn't all that much different..." than the '90s plan put forth by the GOP.

Should I believe him or you?

Response to zipplewrath (Reply #11)

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
14. Distinction searching for a difference
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

The ACA was The HF plan. Yes, it has additions and modifications, but it basically was the starting point. And that starting point was intended as an alternative to Hillary Care and was intended to insure that the Insurance industry would always remain in charge. The only substantive difference of any consequence was the Medicaid expansion and that one was shot down big time such that the end result was a mere 5% increase in insurance coverage, half of which were already eligible for federal assistance in the first place. With the Medicaid expansion it might have gotten to 7% or so.

Response to zipplewrath (Reply #14)

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
29. I can't even address that.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

If you don't know single payer is different from Obamacare then there's no point in talking to you.

Response to white_wolf (Reply #29)

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
39. A few percent
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

The Medicaid expansion is a few percent at best. That is 90%+ away from single payer. That is a HUGE distinction and difference.

Response to zipplewrath (Reply #39)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. It helps to know your history. The Heritage Foundation found themselves in the company of
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

labor activists, peace activist, and environmental activists.... all members of a coalition called 50 Years Is Enough which worked and agitated against the IMF's austerity agendas. It is this organization that provided the moral support to Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders; that the Heritage Foundation found themselves on the same side of labor rights activists (but not for all the same reasons) was a fluke.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
16. Yeah, you know the same Heritage that wrote the model for Romneycare, aka Obamacare.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

Even a stopped watch can be right twice a day.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
19. Interesting history. Including the part about being anti-progressive.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

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“Bernie was the founder of the progressive caucus. Clinton was the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, the whole point of which was to exterminate the progressives,” said Bill Curry, who served as counselor to the president during Clinton’s first term.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
32. Bill Curry is a Sanders supporter who has been urging Sanders to attack Hillary.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/bernie_sanders_is_not_dead_yet_heres_how_he_recovers_from_hillarys_charmec_october/

Sure he worked in the Clinton administration, as did thousands of other people, but he could hardly hold himself out as a Clinton confidante. His claim that the "point" of the DLC was "to exterminate the progressives" is false and just part of his stated mission to get Sanders to go after Hillary regarding "to what degree she means what she says" but without making it look like a "character assassination." (See above link.) In other words, he urged Sanders to resort to the old Republican meme of calling Clinton a corrupt liar, but not use those exact words. Judging by how negative the Sanders campaign has gone, sounds like the Sanders campaign is following his advice.

It is not surprising that Republican - owned Politico turned to Bill Curry for a quote for their Hillary hit piece.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
21. No More Third Way Clintons or their Cronies.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

We're seeing them now crawl out from under the woodwork, the Entrenched Cushy Elite Establishment, to shill for Hill.

If you hear them shill'n, then they are bad for the 99%.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
24. The insurance companies did exactly what she said they would do.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

It's interesting to see the long term perspectives of both Hillary and Bernie in this article.
Thanks for the link!

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
33. Bernie had no practical answer for how to handle insurance company opposition then, nor does he now.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

Note to Sanders: the President does not get a magic wand.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
35. It can't pass without a lot of people pushing from below
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:26 AM
Feb 2016

Given that most people hate health insurance companies, that shouldn't be hard.

Incrementalism will never work without a clear vision of where you want to go. Bottom line is thqt Clinton thinks that health care should not be a human right.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
36. He did answer
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:32 AM
Feb 2016

It's we the people. Like women got the vote, like civil rights, like ending the Vietnam War.

It's not being afraid. It's using your voice. It's demanding your Congress do what the people want. It's electing the brave people. It's not giving in to the power and corruption in government.

It's your President using the bully pulpit to educate and inspire the citizens.

It's a Political Revolution.

Or we can sit on our asses and let them throw us a crumb while they pick our pockets.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
37. Shorter on single-payer:
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary on single-payer then:

"You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that?"

Shorter today:

"Single-payer will never, ever happen."

And yes, "How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?"

Well.... *crickets*

Because we don't have LEADERS in the US. We have corprat and Wall St. puppets who put up an apparently believable pretense of being leaders. But they're not. And they haven't been for a LONG time.

Revolution? Yes. Because We the People (the 99% - not the corporate ones) want A LEADER. Not corprat puppets.

There you go.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
40. “How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said,
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

‘Tell me something real.’ ”

NO WE CAN"T

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