Memories of 2008 - LBJ more responsible than MLK for civil rights - It's all a fairy tale....

[jillan]

All hell broke loose after Hillary made these comments (yes the question was by a rw journalist but it went viral & did not go away)

And then there was this:
NEW YORK: Former US President Bill Clinton had taken a racial jibe at Barack Obama in 2008, saying "this guy would have been carrying our bags", a report claimed on Monday.

Mr Clinton allegedly made the racially insensitive remark to Senator Ted Kennedy as he tried to convince the liberal to endorse his wife, Hillary Clinton, Mr Obama's rival, for the Democratic nomination, according to The New Yorke

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Not to mention all the backlash....
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/bill-clinton-tries-to-tamp-down-fairy-tale-remark-about-obama/?_r=0

So tell me again why Hillary is better for minorites than this man?

[Arkansas Granny]

1. I don't know how many of you were around in the 60's. I was and I would imagine that many of us who

were have different opinions about politics and the world in general than we had then.

Hillary would have been an 18 year old high school junior in 1964 and wouldn't have been able to vote since voting age was still 21 years old. She was raised in a conservative household so it's not surprising that her political views at the time echoed those of her parents. Even so, she and her mother met Dr. King in Chicago in 1962.

When she enrolled in college, she saw and heard a great many things that changed her outlook and campaigned for Eugene McCarthy in 1968. She also participated in civil rights events on campus. She has been a strong advocate for civil rights throughout her political career.

Bernie and Hillary have both been strong proponents of civil rights. To try to use that issue against either one of them just smacks of unfairness, IMO.


ETA: Concerning LBJ and MLK, while Dr. King was fighting for civil rights on the ground, without Johnson twisting arms in Congress and signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many of the advancements of the civil rights movement would not have come to pass. They both had a large role to play in the passage of the legislation.

[cali]

2. I agree re using the sixties against Hillary is unfair. Reminding

people that her 2008 campaign used racist dog whistles against a black man, is not.

[jillan]

4. That does not explain her comments - or Bill's comments - in 2008.

[Armstead]

6. The point is would she be twistiung arms like Johnson did?

Or would she have told MLK....":Sorry we can't do that right now. It sounds good on paper but it is too hard."

[Arkansas Granny]

7. Is there a specific instance you are referring to when Hillary said something was too hard to do?

[Armstead]

11. That has been her message throughout this campaign (as well as in 2008)

and I have heard her use those words specifically and with great vehemence in recent weeks. I haven't time to try and drag out links, but if you want you can look up her speeches in Iowa.

(This week she's adjusted to being a positive progressive. Which of course is part of the problem. She is not constant.)

[Arkansas Granny]

16. If you make the claim she said it, you can find the links. I have not heard her say that, myself.

[jeff47]

18. The most directly applicable is probably her response to single-payer advocates in 1993

'You make a very convincing case that single-payer would be a good reform, but is there any force on the face of the earth that would counter the money the insurance industry would spend to defeat it?'

Himmelstein said he replied that the presidential bully pulpit would be the counterweight — an argument that did not end up convincing Clinton of the political feasibility.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/

However, this has been a frequent recurring theme with Clinton. After all, it's the basis of her attacks against Sanders's proposals as "pie-in-the-sky"

[Arkansas Granny]

19. So, you had to go back 23 years to find a quote that doesn't really match what was claimed she said?

Keep looking.

[jeff47]

20. Reading. Try it this time. (nt)

[Arkansas Granny]

21. I did read. Not only is the quote 23 years old, it was not a public statement made by Hillary,

but one repeated by someone she had met with.

[jeff47]

22. Yeah, those goalposts didn't look nice there anyway.

Where'd you limit the responses to public statements?

Also, why do you think "most applicable" is an exhaustive list?

[erpowers]

12. Johnson Did Just That

President Johnson actually King on multiple occasions to slow things down. Johnson actually became angry with Civil Rights activists who were pushing him to do more than he either wanted to do or thought could be done.

[Armstead]

15. Slow down is not the same as "can't do bercause it's a unicorn"

And no Clinton has not used that word (to the best of my knowledge) but that is the clear message from her campaignb about so many aspects of refiorm

[Hekate]

13. Thank you, Arkansas Granny. You said what I was about to. In 1964 ...

What a year. I was 16-going on-17 (September b'day), so still 17 when I graduated the next year. I don't know Hillary's birth month, but we were both born the same year, iirc. She would have been 17 yo at most.

Influenced by our upbringing, bound by parental rules about where we could and could not go, and when we had to be home. And a girl, so double the restrictions. 17 is young.

Bernie Sanders is 6 years older. In 1964 he was probably 23, vastly more experienced, male, free to go wherever he wanted.

I think of all the criticisms leveled at Hillary, the one about being a teenaged Republican is the most ludicrous. College is transformative, or certainly can be. By 1968 -- the first year she could conceivably have voted -- she was working to elect Eugene McCarthy, f'gods'sake.

Who was Bernie voting for and working to elect? Who was the first person he ever supported in that manner? In 1964 he was actually legally able to vote. Somehow nobody ever says, but under the circs maybe someone will now.

[firebrand80]

3. I once put ketchup on a hotdog

We've all done things we're not proud of. Thankfully my loved ones forgave me.

[jillan]

5. Well when you run for President and say that the other candidate should be carrying your bags, then

will talk.

[erpowers]

8. Not What She Said

To say that what Hillary Clinton said in that clip is the equivalent of saying LBJ was more responsible for Civil Rights than MLK is just wrong. What she said was that King's dream did not become a reality until there was a President in place that could get a bill passed. What she said is true. As she said Kennedy could not get it done, Eisenhower did not even try, and Johnson got it done. Clinton's comment is more like saying MLK and LBJ were a part of a relay race. Each were needed, but LBJ ran the anchor leg-he carried the baton over the finish.

If you support the idea that black people should not vote for Hillary Clinton because she was a Republican in college than you have to support the idea that black people should not vote for the Democratic Party because it was the Democratic Party, at one time, that was most opposed to blacks having the right to vote. There were many Democrats in the South that supported Jim Crow laws and segregation. There were many Democrats in the KKK, which worked hard to protect segregation and prevent blacks from voting and improving their lives in America.

Over time many Democrats changed their minds about policy. The same thing seems to have happened with Hillary Clinton. Over the years her ideas about policy changed and she changed parties. Her stance from the 1960s should not be used against her today. If her past is used against her, do not object when Republicans claim black people should not vote for the Democratic Party because around 1960 and before members of the Democratic Party tended to oppose Civil Rights for black people.

[jillan]

10. Not what she said? It's in a video of her speaking!! in 2008!!! lol

[erpowers]

17. Not In the Video You Posted

In the video you posted she told the truth; without Lyndon Johnson in the White House a Civil Rights bill would not have been signed. That is not saying LBJ was more important than MLK. It means that dreams stay dreams unless there is someone to bring the dream into reality. How exactly was MLK supposed to get the Civil Rights bill passed when he was not in Congress and was not the President of the United States. There was a need to have a Congress that would pass a bill and a President who was willing to sign the bill. If Nixon had won in 1960 Civil Rights legislation might have been delayed for years. Kennedy was elected in 1960, but was unable to get Civil Rights legislation passed. Kennedy's death put Johnson in the White House and Johnson was able to get the bill passed.

[kath]

9. And don't forget how she kept mentioning and alluding to assassination back in spring of 2008

So utterly despicable of her.

[Go Vols]

14. +1

[azmom]

23. She's a real piece of work.