Slimy Coin Toss Meme Implodes

[Cary]

http://bluenationreview.com/coin-toss-smear-against-hillary-implodes/

Anyone with any integrity out there willing to walk back their error?

[Hiraeth]

1. point is: COIN TOSS. wtf. Get your shit together Iowa.

[MineralMan]

3. Iowa is like most states. In most states,

election ties can be decided by lot (roll of die or flip of coin). It's in the election laws. Every election, there are a few ties that are settled that way. Most are small town elected offices.

Well, precinct caucuses are a lot like electing a mayor in a small town. Very few voters, so ties are not that rare. Such situations are easily settled with something like a coin toss.

[Hiraeth]

12. well, I am looking into my state's process. I do not remember ever seeing such.

[brooklynite]

38. Simple question...in the event of a tie, how would you resolve the issue?

You are electing or appointing someone to represent one side or the other; the vote is tied. What do you do?

[Hiraeth]

42. Are we playing a game or, are we determining who will be the Leader of The Free World?

What do you do?

Surely, some kind of run off process can be constructed, yes?

Yes, we can?

No, we can't.

[Arazi]

44. +1 eom

[brooklynite]

46. Not with two candidates you can't...

And we're NOT electing the leader of the free world by a coin flip...we're deciding which of two local Democrats gets to go to a County Convention.

[Hiraeth]

58. oh yeah, right. I forgot. No biggie. Thanks.

[MineralMan]

49. OK. I don't even know what state you're in, so

I'll be unable to help you.

You could try this Google search, though: https://www.google.com/search?q=resolving+election+ties+by+lot

That seems to produce lots and lots of examples.

[Hiraeth]

57. Thanks for the link. I am also considering asking my Board of Elections.

[onenote]

70. what state?

[merrily]

4. On the one hand, I get it. On the other hand, how else to break a tie?

At some point, the caucusers want/need to go home.

[Hiraeth]

9. I guess. I just think the process needs some adjustments.

[stillwaiting]

21. Split the last county delegate.

Instead of 3 for Clinton and 2 for Sanders.

Give 2.5 to Clinton and 2.5 to Sanders.

That reflects the will of the voters. Precisely.

[merrily]

22. True! Someone posted that yesterday and I forgot already!

[hack89]

35. That delegate 's job is to cast a single vote

How do you split a single vote fairly?

[stillwaiting]

62. That delegate would cast a split vote.

It would accurately reflect the will of the voters.

The way that the state equivalent delegates get allocated is on a fractional basis. The precinct votes should be allocated similarly if it reflects the votes of the precinct.

[riversedge]

31. Point is --Sander fans and media Clinton won BECAUSE of a coin toss. The issue is NOT

the coin toss process which many states do.

[Human101948]

2. Yes, it is sad that people feel it necessary to use this to demean her overwhelming victory...

There hasn't been such a clear win since George W. Bush took the 2000 election by 5-4.

[TCJ70]

5. "Overwhelming"?

Man, you're expectations are super low if .3% is overwhelming...

[merrily]

11. Psst.

[TCJ70]

14. I been berned!

lol

[merrily]

16. Not to worry.

http://www.quill.com/first-aid-only-first-aid-burn-kit/cbs/453616.html?cm_mmc=SEM_PLA_X_453616&mcode=SEM_PLA_X_453616

[tazkcmo]

13. Sarcasm. n/t

[Cary]

25. How about appreciating the simple fact that she is a woman and that this is a first?

Do you have a little room in your repertoire for some grace?

[onecaliberal]

27. Gender has ZERO to do with who is going to put a stop to

62 people owning tha same amount of wealth as 3.4 billion. She will NOT remedy that. What makes me think that? A stroll through her campaign donor list. Where the hell has everyone's common sense gone to.

[Cary]

29. IOW you have no room in your repertoire for grace

I am glad that I am not so small.

[earthside]

39. Appeals to sexism are not 'graceful'. n/t

[onecaliberal]

63. Indeed I do, typically not for people who get on teevee and gloat like they won by 20 points.

[TCJ70]

50. What does that have to do with anything?

All I'm addressing is the word "overwhelming" being used in the post, which was apparently sarcastic. I have no issues with her being a woman in any way.

[merrily]

7. Ouch!

[Skinner]

6. The Des Moines Register link on that page is wrong.

BNR posted the relevant quote, but they linked to the wrong place. Here is the quote:

Officials who reported county delegate totals without using the party’s smartphone app weren’t required to signify if the win was the result of a coin toss, said Sam Lau, a spokesman for the Iowa Democratic Party. Lau said seven coin flips were reported statewide, and Bernie Sanders won six of them.

And here is the correct link:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/iowa-caucus-coin-flip-count-unknown/79708740/

[Cary]

24. Thanks.

We need more objectivity here. Let the chips fall where they may.

[riversedge]

32. Bingo.

[NurseJackie]

8. In response to your question...

... I think it's unlikely that such a thing will happen. I also think it's unlikely that it will cease either. Both of these things related to the adjective used in your subject.

Fortunately, nothing that's said will change the outcome. Bernie will not be the nominee.

But... as another user recently explained to me, the most likely reason for this type of behavior is to motivate the faithful to donate more $$$.

[Cary]

26. Probably true but it doesn't hurt to ask for integrity

I mean that is supposed to be their grounds for their partisanship, right?

[SidDithers]

10. DU rec...nt

Sid

[RiverLover]

15. Blue Nation is funded by Hillary's Super PAC. Why bother reading it?

Its the online fox news for conservative Centrists who've taken over our party.

[dbackjon]

17. Then read the Des Moines Register

Says the same thing


The tin foil is strong in the coin toss crowd

[Oilwellian]

36. Indeed

Everyone should remember who owns the blue nation review. It has about as much credibility as its owner, David Brock.

[Hekate]

66. How about reading the Des Moines Register? They're online, too, and local.

[Alfresco]

18. How many times has this happened before? BS supporters jump the gun and then look foolish.

[cali]

20. Yeah, hill supporters never jump to negative conclusions about Bernie

Oh wait.

[cali]

40. Do try to learn what a logical fallacy is, my dear.

[Hekate]

67. "My dear"? Glad to know we are all good friends here.

JURY: This is a direct quote from the poster. I'm sure no irony or sarcasm was intended on his/her part.

[cali]

19. It wasn't slimy. People simply didn't understand it and

the media sowed the initial confusion. I didn't jump on it because I didn't understand it well enough.

[Cary]

28. Right.

Partisan hackmanship is justified, as long as one supports Bernie Sanders.

[NCTraveler]

51. "It wasn't slimy. People simply didn't understand it"

Understandable considering Weaver admitted he didn't even know the rules of the Iowa Caucus.

I still think the initial push of this crap was as slimy as could be. Then again, they brushed off the theft of campaign data. Not really surprising.

[jberryhill]

30. Slimy Coins?

[JTFrog]

33. Wish Skinner would pin his thread to the top of the forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511123143

[Hiraeth]

45. yes.

[NurseJackie]

61. The fact that he felt the need to check-in and debunk the nonsense ...

... is a good indication that the folks who continue to spread the bunk are likely to be skating on thin ice. (In that regard, the cynical side of me welcomes their continued posting of such things.) It's obvious that they enjoy the attention and arguments that result, but they're certainly doing their candidate no favors. Ultimately, they're attracting negative attention to themselves, and from an administrative perspective, that could be useful in the future. (Of course, I don't know this to be a fact, it's merely speculation.)

[earthside]

37. Ha! Blue Nation Review ...

... the Fox News of the Hillary campaign.


Well, actually, Fox isn't as slimy as BNR.

[cali]

41. You loves you some propaganda. Speaking of slimy

David Brock is as slimy a piece of shit as Lee Atwater. Perfect for you to be using as a source.

[dbackjon]

47. Is there anything in the article untrue?

Bernie supporters freaked out and started sliming the Clinton Campaign.


And it turns out they were dead wrong.


But the BS supporters now attack the source, instead of admitting they freaked out over NOTHING.



NOTHING



This type of shit will insure a President Cruz.

[cali]

48. Yes, that the intent was to smear Clinton.

No evidence of that.

[dbackjon]

52. You see what you want to see

But Sanders supporters were clearly trying to smear Clinton with the unfounded allegations of fraud, dirty tricks, etc.

[Hekate]

68. That's way over the top, that is

[edgineered]

69. Ouch, someone tried topical ointment on the Bern! Didn't work.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:55 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's election season. Pull up your big kid panties and don't get your fee-fees hurt at the drop of a hat.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: buck up
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Explanation: Alert is a stretch, to say the least. Public figures are fair game, democrats or not. Poster calls David Brock slimy, not the other poster on DU.
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Explanation: Unless the alerter is David Brock himself, this fails to qualify as being "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: David Brock is a slimy pos. I am voting to HIDE because the poster ascribes the same qualities to another poster, and THAT is not OK.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems okay for GDP, maybe OTT for the lounge, but we're not there, are we? What a waste of time.
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Explanation: No explanation given

[Vinca]

53. The idea of a coin toss to decide a presidential race is silly no matter who it does or does not

favor. It's downright embarrassing in fact. Surely there must be another way. The real problem is not the coin toss, but the reluctance of Iowa officials to release raw data since there is a question about the results. What have they got to lose unless they're hiding something?

[randome]

55. The coin tosses did not decide that.

They decided some technical notion about allocation of precinct delegates. They did not, on their own, decide who won Iowa. The meme that they did deserves to be buried.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[Vinca]

56. That they are included in the process at all is ridiculous.

I believe I heard there is no mention of them in the Iowa rules so it most likely was not sanctioned. I guarantee if the tosses had benefited Bernie you would be saying exactly what I'm saying. The bottom line for Iowa is that Republicans - amazingly - have it right there. We need to go to paper ballots so there will be no need for coin tosses, short straws or dart boards.

[Hiraeth]

59. this: That they are included in the process at all is ridiculous. thank you.

[Agnosticsherbet]

54. Losers have to complain. Cinton won...

Move on.

[Gothmog]

60. Thanks for posting

[ismnotwasm]

64. K&R

[frylock]

65. Brock Nation Review

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