2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Sanders Poltical Revolution Defined - by Bernie Sanders
Watch for the video clip of Bernie being interviewed on Morning Joe later, when it is up, for his exact wording, basically his said it means a significant increase in political participation. Bernie said he wants the United States to go from having one of the lowest voter participation rates in the advanced world to one of the highest voter participation rates in the advanced world. He said that he wanted average Americans to become involved in the political process at all levels at much higher rates. He said he wants more Americans to join into the public debate on the issues that effect them. That is how Bernie defined his political revolution.
Is there a Democratic official in this country who is willing to say in public that they disagree with Bernie that a political movement with that result would be what is best for America? I'm waiting.
P.S. Credit to Joe Scarborough where it is due. Joe pointed out that for decades now the media has talked about the "Reagan Revolution" and no one called that use of the term alarming or outside the norms of American political traditions - let alone dangerous.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)think
(11,641 posts)this time...
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)So many people attack Sanders for the use of the word 'revolution' or 'radical', because he doesn't mean exactly the same things by them as they want him to. So it's good to see what he actually does mean when he uses them. I've almost come around to thinking he's hald-ironic in his use of radical, because he sometimes talks about his goals, then follows them up with something along the lines of 'these aren't really so radical'. And they SHOULDN'T be considered radical, when most Americans actually support them. The 'radical' part simply lies in a politician who believes we should actually be doing the things the American people say they want, as opposed to the things corporations want.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Tom Rinaldo.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)and hearing his comments after the interview and reading this morning the piece by Charles Pierce on the Matthews interview with HRC I am very glad to see this. A calm explanation is always needed apparently over and over again. I especially loved the part about how the "kids" need to be taught but Senator Sanders can't be taught. I don't see Mr. Sanders as being the person who can't be taught, Chris. It was so bad that now my husband knows why I often leave the room when he turns Tweety on. I have not been able to stand him for quite some time. THIS kind of crap is why. Again, who exactly is the one who needs to be taught? He knows good and well what Bernie stands for, perhaps the lesson should be on what journalism and fair, honest press is all about.
Keep explaining it Senator, you are going to need this little tidbit quite often.
Yes, credit is due to Joe Scarborough for mentioning the Reagan Revolution. I had not thought of that myself and will use it. Great point.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)No doubt thee are many. Mathews really exposed himself on this one.
Let's see him come out against the goals Sanders just elicited.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)wondering if he reads viewer mail. Someone must but does he get the gist of what they are saying from his staff? I spend little time writing anymore to them. I never felt that any of them paid much attention. Still, I am really considering getting a short, to the point email to Matthews. He KNOWS better than this but as usual he lets his bias rule his brain and his mouth. I have no care who he is for and really, should we even know? He can be a better interviewer with one over the other, that is ok, but this was just angry, outrageous BS from him last night. I have no doubt that the Sanders people have burned his ears pretty well already over this interview.
This is a great point about the Reagan revolution. There have to be plenty of videos out there. I am a pretty crappy Internet searcher but when I finish up my day and have the time I will look for some. Those can be sent to him easily too I would imagine.
I have disliked his style from the beginning, he annoys me. Still, I would pay some attention then usually go into another room before I wanted to duel him myself (my one and only favorite CM episode, the flight suit comments still make my stomach turn).
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)There was a light moment over that because they both were in the House when that was the big thing.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I had a lengthy conversation with my daughter last night about her generation, the millenials, and why they (at least those she knows in person and on social media), do not like Hillary Clinton, do not like the establishment.
These are smart kids, and they, in many ways are more advanced and worldly than us older people. It is insulting to them to be told they shouldn't try to implement their dreams and instead face reality, it is insulting to them to be told that they cannot change the way things are and go in a different direction. They do not want to be restricted by the old guard - they can see that it isn't working out so well and they want a future. Hillary represents an old school marm to them, a stern older woman who won't tolerate their ideas. Hillary and those in her corner don't hear them, and certainly don't respect them.
This young generation loves Bernie because he listens to them and respects them, he tells them there isn't anything we can't do if we all work together. It's an inspiring message, and our young people need to hear it and believe it while they are at a point in their lives where they can be the impetus for change, with all of US working together.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)but they are a bit older, I can't remember the dates of all the generations. Bernie is their guy, they know full well what kind of revolution he is talking about and they joined it earlier than I thought they would ever even know about him.
I agree with everything you said.
I just re-read my comment saying I loved the part about teaching the kids, I meant that with sarcasm. I am not sure that is apparent. Just to be clear.