Concede Iowa Bernie

[boston bean]

The state party you are running in has declared a winner.

It was not you.

There is no conspiracy here.

You either really take the high road, or you delve into conspiracy theory territory for your loss.

The latter is not becoming.

[TCJ70]

1. There's nothing to concede...

...people who caucus in Iowa get the delegates they get and that totals up at the end of the primary season. This is a small part of a larger competition. After next Tuesday, in all likelihood, he'll be ahead of clinton in terms of delegates because of NH. That lead will probably shift between them for awhile before a final winner is known.

As for Iowa, it is what it is.

[Thinkingabout]

36. The NH delegates are by apportioned also. And then the other 48 states and other territories come.

[DanTex]

2. Seriously. Does he think he's helping himself by fueling Reddit conspiracy theories?

[enid602]

56. Bern

To speak nothing of a lack of graciousness.

[AgingAmerican]

152. Your post is a conspiracy theory

Self awareness is a good thing

[morningfog]

3. Why do people act obtuse? A recount or simple verifucation

of the raw vote is not a claim of a conspiracy.

The vote difference was less than 300. That could flip on a simple clerical mistake. Not a conspiracy. This is a democracy, let's just confirm the results. This is high stakes.

[boston bean]

6. But but but... I thought it was so close it would be remembered as a tie?

It would still be as close as it is today, if the results were flipped.

This whole thing is a shenanigan, a conspiracy to try and get people riled up like something was amiss here. And he was really the one who won (what his supporters and his own campaign call essentially a tie).

He can't have it both ways.

[morningfog]

9. It is essentially a tie, but there are delegates awarded

based on the results. Slow down and think. This isn't complicated stuff.

It is so close as to be considered a tie AND one will likely take more delegates. Right now Hillary has been awarded two more delegates.

Have you forgotten that this race is all about bagging every delegate possibke and making sure none were wrongfully sent elsewhere?

Maybe you just don't understand how the primary works, in that case I apologize to you.

[boston bean]

13. No I haven't forgot it is about delegates. And I understand how a caucus works, which btw

is what occurred in Iowa, it was not a primary.

There was a winner of delegates declared by the state party in Iowa.

Everything else here is a made up conspiracy to try and cast doubt on the results, in order to claim victory of what his supporters call a tie.

What a farce.

[morningfog]

60. You refuse to understand. Obviously it is willful and you are afraid of the results of a simple

raw data release. Afraid.

[asuhornets]

107. Your statement has nothing to do with conceding. Bernie should concede. eom

[morningfog]

109. Hillary won. Bernie is not challenging the results. What else is there to say?

[asuhornets]

111. I believe a congratulation from Sanders would be nice...n/t

[morningfog]

120. He did, in his speech on Monday night:

And while the results are still not complete, it looks like we'll have half of the Iowa delegates. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate Secretary Clinton, somebody — yep — and her organization for waging a very vigorous campaign.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/2/10892752/bernie-sanders-iowa-speech

[asuhornets]

121. Thanks. I stand corrected. eom

[ChairmanAgnostic]

80. two days earlier, Hillary had an 11 point lead in the polls

On Caucus Monday, she was in a statistical tie, ahead only by 0.5% after #42 reported that Bernie won.

And you have the unmitigated gall to . . . No, I will be polite. Unlike too many Hillarians.

[Lucinda]

92. But it was great for fund raising. n/t

[NowSam]

54. Thank you. Common Sense

A clerical error or a Microsoft glitch. It's the first time they used the software.

[TheBlackAdder]

72. Last night, Rachel Maddow said a computer error caused the start of the Bush Dynasty in 1980.

.


It falsely showed GHW Bush winning in Iowa, and by the time it was corrected, the damage was done.


If that error didn't happen, Bush would not have gained enough attention and power to be nominated as VP.


.

[NowSam]

75. Wow. The will of the people

is not the concern of the 1%. The Oligarchs will do what they want with impunity. The magnitude of what Bernie is up against here is staggering.

[SusanCalvin]

163. Wow.

Well, if there is, as I'm currently assuming from this thread, a fight over one or two delegates, now I see why.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. This is really bad sportsmanship.

SIGH

[morningfog]

10. Why not s simple verification. The difference was less than 300.

If it had been a primary, a recount would be had. Why not confirm the results likewise here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I have no problem with a recount but at some point there should be closure.

If I lost, at anything, I would hope I have the character to congratulate the winner, no matter how painful it is.

It reminds me of when Bill Belichick was in such a pique for having his team's undefeated season end in a Super Bowl defeat that he refused to congratulate Tom Coughlin for his team ending it.

[morningfog]

61. Great. You have no problem with a recount.

Votes this close, in contests this high stakes, should be verified. Quick and simple.

[6chars]

82. Al Gore showed the way

to accept a narrow defeat with grace and stop fussing about recounts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. The stakes were infinitely higher...

[frylock]

112. The stakes are always high..

just admit that this about hurt feelings because Bernie didn't genuflect before HRH.

[grasswire]

85. and look at the result of that.

America was ruined in countless ways because he was convinced to stand aside to protect his future chances.

It was cowardly and selfish.

BY THE WAY .... Al Gore was NOT DEFEATED. He won the election. Where have you been???????

[6chars]

89. accepting a narrow defeat

when he wasn't defeated was very gracious. W very much appreciated the gesture.

[frylock]

113. It was an incredible display of sportmanship, and that's what really matters.

[Ed Suspicious]

156. It's all a game, this politics thing.

[SusanCalvin]

164. I think he only did that

Because he had no way of knowing how terribly disastrous that would be. He assumed his opponent was sane and had good intentions, at least. That turned out not to be the case.

[workinclasszero]

104. This is really bad sportsmanship

And it show exactly what kind of "democrats" BS and his followers are.

[RichVRichV]

127. Recounting a close race is bad sportsmanship?

And here I always thought it was just Democracy in action. I've seen it done over and over again in past elections. A lot of states have automatic recounts on close races. What are you so scared of finding from a recount? They only rarely change the outcome. It's better to be sure than to be wrong.

[workinclasszero]

137. Now Bernie will be known as a sore loser

Yay Bernie?

[RichVRichV]

162. Oh no!

However shall he recover?!


I'm pretty sure asking for a recount on a race decided by a fraction of 1% isn't going to end him.

[stonecutter357]

5. Concede Iowa Bernie !

[RiverLover]

7. Or you and Hillary could take the high road & concede no one won.

Its a virtual tie.

Iowa nightmare revisited: Was correct winner called on caucus night? (2/3/16)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/02/missing-iowa-precinct-sanders-clinton/79693834/

[boston bean]

8. But there was a winner declared.

[RiverLover]

34. The very partial Iowa DNC declared.

Bernie is about truth though, so it makes sense he isn't conceding yet.

[boston bean]

35. I've seen you chosen the latter.

It makes me wonder why Bernie would want to participate in the Democratic Party, if it's all bad and not about truth, like him.

[riversedge]

38. Here, let me illustrate the difference between a tie and a win, okay? #

Here, let me illustrate the difference between a tie and a win, okay? #ImWithHer #IAcaucus

[cascadiance]

65. A picture doesn't make something "truth" just because it says so...

CASE IN POINT!!!

[mcar]

11. It is not becoming at all

[Vinca]

12. I'm sure he would if Iowa would provide the information requested.

If the tables were reversed and Hillary believed there were discrepancies in the reporting of the vote that might affect the results, would she concede? I don't think so. She's stronger than that. By not releasing the data requested, Iowa officials are giving the appearance of hiding something.

[Jarqui]

14. Why should he concede? It's still not clear he lost. I'm not being a bad sport.

Because I'm not making that up. The main Iowa newspaper is questioning it (and that's the paper that held back the 22 top secret email news ) :

Desmoines Register: Iowa's nightmare revisited: Was correct winner called?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/iowas-nightmare-revisited-correct-winner-called-caucus-night/79702010/

Read it. I do not blame Sanders for not conceding yet.

[grasswire]

86. the Register held back the email news????

This is horrible news.

[Jarqui]

94. I did searches after all the major news outlets except ABC had it up

I think I gave them an extra day since they're a small city.

Nothing using their search function nor on the main news page nor on the politics/election news page.

Two or three days after the story broke, I did a google search of their site and found the AP story. So I looked but I didn't find it on a news page.

It was front page for all the mainstream outlets but I didn't see it on the Desmoines Register.

I could have missed it somehow but I sure tried and didn't have much luck. On the other sites, you didn't have to search - you couldn't miss it.

[cascadiance]

15. Did Romney supporters prematurely pressure Santorum in to conceding when he actually WON later?

WAIT!!! IF you want to impress people of running a respectful campaign, you'll wait until the record-setting closeness of the Democratic Caucus is completely counted and looked at before making such demands. But then that's not an attribute that many people supporting Hillary want to emphasize in the way they campaign for her.

You sound like a Bush supporter trying to squash any recounts in Florida in 2000 (which SHOULD have been done and were stopped by a biased Supreme Court where one of the justices wouldn't even excuse himself for having a relative working for the Bush election team).

[boston bean]

16. Comparing Bernie to Santorum is something to behold, in not a good way.

Caucuses for republicans and democrats in IA are very different things.

You should not be comparing them the way you are.

[cascadiance]

20. Well, if the Democratic caucuses are so much better run and accurately reflecting the voters...

... WHY don't you want the raw counts to be released to show who really was the winner, and to let people see how they were mapped to delegates (or SDEs as they are there)? HUH?

They are both similarly run in that people gather for votes, etc. even if they are "run" differently. And when you had a very close race last election for the Republicans and they were WRONG, it provides a pretty good reason for officials to double check the results when the Democratic race has never been this close.

Like I said in this thread, do you really think that Gore should have also "been a good sport" and just conceded after Bush's brother and Katherine Harris said that Bush had won in Florida in 2000? That's in effect what you say Bernie should do! And that is WRONG if one values insuring that an election reflects the actual voting that took place in an election, and not that one was "declared" the winner, when it isn't completely clear that the result is accurate.

[boston bean]

23. What would raw votes prove? You work and win with the system in place.

He lost.

[cascadiance]

64. It would show if it was done right. Results this close have people wanting to see the details...

Do you think they should have not corrected the results for the Republican caucus where Santorum actually won later? You don't think that mistakes can't be made for the Democrats as well? When you have a decent margin of victory, then it a few votes here or there won't matter, but the voters are OWED results that they feel can be shown to be accurate when the counts are so close.

You don't KNOW that he lost any more than Santorum "knew" that he lost after the initial count in 2012, which he DIDN'T!!!l

Just wait and be patient and stop being rudely impatient! All you are doing is having those that you want to vote for Hillary later feel less wanting to do so when you are being smug and rude.

[JimDandy]

66. The math that apportioned the delegates is based directly on the raw vote.

Elections require transparency. The caucus process and transparency were never meant to be mutually exclusive ideas. This insistence by our Dem Party to not release raw votes damages the appearance of fairness and integrity of our election process. It is hypocritical to attack Republicans (most notably Gore 2000) on election transparency, when we still fail at that, right now, in 2016.

[boston bean]

98. Omg, by voting precinct. You cant be serious.

[JimDandy]

100. Aah...not a serious inquiry at all. You're just being devisive. Got it.

[Jarqui]

26. If the main newspaper is questioning the result why should people not

stand by, let due diligence take place and get the complete facts.

What is the panic? Why does a tight primary result HAVE to be resolved immediately?

[Art_from_Ark]

44. They're afraid that the actual result will show that Bernie actually won

[John Poet]

105. Yeah, the Iowa Republican caucus is more transparent...

With raw vote totals and such. The Dem system is a relic of "smoke-filled rooms".

[frylock]

114. It's almost like comparing Secretary Clinton to Secys Powell and Rice.

[elias49]

18. Waiting for your 3rd identical OP.

Do I have time to grab a cup of coffee?

[Tarc]

19. Are there any outstanding precincts that would affect the actual delegate allotment?

Or are the Bernsters still carping about an overall vote that doesn't, y'know, matter?

[boston bean]

22. They think this is just like Romney and Santorum.

If they can't realize the Democrat and Republican caucuses are very different in counting votes and allotting delegates... I'm not sure what else can be done here.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. Kathleen Harris, is that you?

[yeoman6987]

31. Come on. Nobody here is an enemy.

[aikoaiko]

45. Wait!? what?!

[yeoman6987]

50. You really think that some DUers are equal to Katherine Harris?

Really??????

[aikoaiko]

55. Equal? No. I think it was an analogy - not an equivalency

And I do believe some of us are enemies going forward.

[yeoman6987]

57. Ok. I think there are some I disagree with of course.

[Hiraeth]

24. NO, WE CAN'T !!

[Hiraeth]

25. The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. First off, Bernie's not making a big deal of this BUT do you think Gore should have conceded in 2000

You know, on election night when it was called for Bush? It wasn't becoming for Gore to want to look into possible irregularities, right? No need to see if Bush legitimately won.

Most election laws trigger automatic mandatory recounts for elections far less tight than this one. The margin here was .2%.

Now if Hillary is willing to say "Technically I won, but for all practical purposes it was a tie" then perhaps we can all agree it is best to move on. Frankly, I find her unwillingness to say that "unbecoming".

[boston bean]

29. Bernie is not making a big deal out of this? I think you are wrong there.

Second, this was a caucus in IA. It was not a general election, where raw vote tallies would make any bit of difference.

So, to answer you question, no I do not think Gore should have conceded in 2000.

You want to discuss this with me, let's at least talk in the realm of the reality of the process.

[Tom Rinaldo]

63. He has said they want to look at it more with the Iowa Democrats

I will grant that is calling for more attention to the outcome, I do not think he has made a "big deal"out of it, as I said. We can agree to disagree. My point regarding the Gore election is simple even if the circumstances differ. There is nothing unseemly about wanting accurate results or seeking clarity on them when the difference in votes is razor thin at first blush. Especially when one side wants to use a microscopic victory for their spinning.

[bkkyosemite]

28. Impatience! He will say something when answers are forthcoming making sure

things were done properly and no mistakes were made. Simple. This is a smart move he was only .02 or .03 difference. One mistake could change the dynamic. There is nothing wrong with getting answers requested.

[mmonk]

30. To want a proper accounting where delegates are

determined proportionally according to the vote is not unreasonable.

[boston bean]

32. I would suggest he read the states website.

This is not a raw vote tally to determine a winner.

[Hiraeth]

41. I suggest you and mmonk toss a coin.

[mmonk]

51. .

[Ed Suspicious]

158. .

[SidDithers]

33. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Live and Learn]

37. He did concede. He conceded that it was a virtual tie, which it was. nt

[Karmadillo]

39. Call for a full accounting, Hillary! Stop the obstruction!

[Hiraeth]

40. TRUMP AND RUBIO NEED TO CONCEDE TO CRUZ, YES INDEED !!

MATTER OF FACT = THEY ALL NEED TO CONCEDE TO HILLARY BECAUSE IT'S HER TURN !!!

[stevenleser]

128. Trump and Rubio DID concede to Cruz. They both acknowledged his win.

Bernie is behaving less graciously than either of hose two guys at this point.

That's where he is at.

[Hiraeth]

130. orly

http://www.relevantmagazine.com/slices/donald-trump-demands-iowa-caucus-recount

[stevenleser]

131. Yep, really. "I want to congratulate Ted" here's the video

[Hiraeth]

146. And now Trump wants a recount and, no coin tosses were involved. Look,

call Bernie a sore loser all you want.

I wish Gore had been a sore loser back in 2000.

[stevenleser]

148. I don't have to call Sanders a sore loser, he is one.

Point is that Trumps first reaction was to congratulate Cruz on the win. Apparently he later learned of some shenanigans and wants them investigated.

What's Bernies excuse again?

[Hiraeth]

151. I know who is the loser in this conversation. Point is, there were whole percentage point difference

with Trump.

Now, on to New Hampshire where I can't wait to hear everyone's excuses for whatever happens there.

[stevenleser]

157. Speaking of New Hampshire, Hillary will show you what losing with class is about. Nt

[Hiraeth]

159. wonder who will write her speech for her.

[grntuscarora]

42. Gloating over a win of .2% isn't becoming either.

It's silly.
HRC's campaign has problems to deal with.

[Larkspur]

43. What ist there to concede?

Bernie got 1 less delegate than Hillary based on the 0.03% diff and that is due to 6 coin toss results.
There is nothing to concede. Bernie is not giving his delegates to Hillary.

[NurseJackie]

46. This may appeal to his base. But for ordinary bystanders, undecideds & former O'Malley supporters...

... they're likely to use this as a clue to what kind of president he may be. What they make of it, and whether they view it positively or negatively remains to be seen. But, there may be enough people who do view it as a negative trait to make a difference in who they decide to support.

It will strengthen his base, that's for sure ... but what Bernie needs now is MORE support if he hopes to defeat Hillary. In my opinion, this really isn't the way to do it. A more reasonable and sportsmanlike approach wouldn't LOSE any support from his base, but it may help to sway someone who's currently not committed.

Regardless of what he does, it won't change the outcome ... so I wonder how he feels it benefits him.

[boston bean]

47. $$, using the Party in a negative fashion to raise money.

It's par for the course for him.

If he is so much better than the party, why is he running in it.

[NurseJackie]

52. You're right... I hadn't thought of it that way.

[Roy Ellefson]

48. concede

why does anyone need to concede? This isn't the general election...this wasn't even a primary absolutely no reason for anyone to concede.

[stonecutter357]

49. K&R!

[Kalidurga]

53. He doesn't have to concede.

In fact if he doesn't and it drives Hill supporters nuts I say don't do it. But, on the other hand I don't care if he does. But, by not conceding he is proving all his critics wrong. He is a fighter when they said that he will just roll over when Republicans tell him to. I have always doubted that as being true, now he is showing why we (his supporters) know he is a fighter.

[aikoaiko]

58. His concession is no more required of him than her saying it was a virtual tie where she got lucky

[TwilightGardener]

59. Maybe after a recount. Not before then.

Oh, you say there's no way to do a recount? Then a winner can't be truly verified.

[restorefreedom]

62. first of all, he congratulated hillary by name in his speech,

which is more than she did.

second, all the states are portioned...many will be close. it is ridiculous to suggest that either candidate should "concede" when, in many places, they will be splitting delegates.

and third, just because kathryn harris, er, andy mcguire refuses to release the raw data (wonder why?) doesn't mean this matter has been settled.

and if team 1% is going to pull this kind of crap in every state, there won't be any concession speeches. except hers after he wins the nom.

[frylock]

116. But when he congratulated her, was it upon bended knee?

Because if not, then it didn't count.

[restorefreedom]

122. no i'm afraid it wasn't *snort* nt

[Gregorian]

67. Just perhaps this isn't about Sanders, but about transparency and accountability

As long as there are clouds over this issue, we demand clarity.

I'd argue for Hillary under the same circumstances. Our elections are a mess. See 2000.

[Duppers]

68. Like Al Gore did??

[SoapBox]

69. How about you just concentrate on your favored candidate...

And stop posting stuff like this...you've done at least two, so far.

[JPnoodleman]

70. Never submit, never surrender...

frustrate the HRC campaign and make sure her attacks on his base and the general nastiness of her lot and cohort suffering the consequences of their actions.

[modestybl]

71. HRC declared victory before all the results were in...

... for reasons of "optics" and political expediency... all the info is NOT in on Iowa... in reality everyone outside of camp Hillary sees this as NOT A GOOD SIGN for HRC...

[Starry Messenger]

73. It goes to how tired and flailing his campaign is.

Not a good look for him.

[NCTraveler]

74. This drives the anger of his base. Very calculated move that really has nothing to do with votes.

Sanders, first and foremost, is a politician.

[7wo7rees]

76. Can't we all just move on and get over Iowa??

[HassleCat]

77. Candidates do not concede primaries. (eom)

[MoonRiver]

87. Projection some?

Just because your guy behaves like a bad sport, in no way implies that his rival would do the same.

[MoonRiver]

90. Who are "we?"

You just can't go around making accusations and insulting people without accountability.

[MoonRiver]

93. YOU, Philos, do not represent the American people, much as you would like to think you do!

You are a majority of ONE.

[MoonRiver]

97. You're not alone, except in regard to your grandiose assumptions.

But both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama got approximately 18 million votes each in 2008, proving Hillary is not the demonic, hated creature "some" would like to claim.

[jillan]

79. It was a tie decided by 6 coin tosses. LOL!!

[LexVegas]

81. Lack of leadership. nt

[thereismore]

84. The official result is that Hillary won. There is nothing to concede. Such bullshit. nt

[morningfog]

95. Bernie has not challenged the result. You are the conspiracy theorist here.

Take it to Creative Speculation.

[JimDandy]

103. This^^

[R B Garr]

99. You are 100% correct, but these stunts are BANK for him

He has to be a perpetual victim so people will send him money. It's all part of his anti-Establismemt theater. He manufactures outrage to rile people up. Its very dishonest.

[randome]

108. Look, he needs money in order to get money out of politics!

WHY CAN'T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS????
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[Number23]

124. I think you just won GD-P with this post

[JDPriestly]

101. How petty can you get. It was a tie or so close to a tie that winning and losing is irrelevant.

That's Hillary. Petty, petty, petty. One of the things many of us do not like about her.

She should be gracious and admit that her "win" was to infinitesimal to matter.

[AtomicKitten]

102. Funny stuff! Did you forget Hillary would not concede to Obama in 2008?

Here:
1) http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination/
2) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/2071811/Hillary-Clinton-refuses-to-concede-despite-Barack-Obama-delegate-victory.html

I refer you to the pushback Camp Weathervane - including her fans here at DU - gave to calls that she concede when she had exhausted every single state primary/caucus. The historical record makes this demand from y'all hilariously hypocritical.

Bernie is entitled to a fair and accurate vote/count. When he is satisfied that that happened, he'll do whatever is required of him ... and not a moment sooner.

[frylock]

117. But but but that was in 2008, and Sanders is no Obama..

and herp derp!!1

[AtomicKitten]

119. She's a maniac, maaaniac on the floor.

v

[asuhornets]

106. I agree.eom

[hifiguy]

110. Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore!

[frylock]

115. Surrender Dorothy!

[NowSam]

118. Surrender Dorothy!

That's what your headline reminds me of.

[stevenleser]

132. You're comparing a female candidate to a witch now?

Or is it a female DUer you are comparing to a witch.

I can't tell to whom you are being sexist, but I can tell for sure its one of the two.

[NowSam]

133. I'm not sexist at all

You are free to make ask the assumptions you like. If I were female and made the totally obvious joke would I still be sexist to you or just clever? If the original poster was male I would make the same joke. it was the words and what I perceived to be a villainous threat, "Concede now, Bernie".... but now that you mention it I think of the candidate more as the boogieman than the wicked witch of the west. lol. I an not a sexist. My wife would kick my skinny ass if I were. Anyway my wife is too smart to ever choose a sexist for a husband. Wait. Are you insinuating that my wife isn't smart enough to choose a good partner? Wow. I'm stunned.

[stevenleser]

134. Yes, a female making that statement would still be exhibiting gender bias

Because she wouldn't call a male candidate or male DUer a witch.

None of the rest of what you wrote matters.

[NowSam]

138. Okay. Sorry if I offended you

but I am willin to bet that many people, men and women, would see the images invoked by the op subject heading and the witch saying surrender. I guess I just don't know how to interact in polite society. I hope you can forgive me on the basis that I am just a poor stupid man.

[SusanCalvin]

165. Yup. First thought. So sue me.... ;->

[NowSam]

166. Thank you for stepping up.

I needed a friend. Good to meet ya.

[SusanCalvin]

167. Hey!

If the OP is going to phrase it "Concede Iowa Bernie," and expected anything else, s/he is deficient in knowledge of popular culture.

[Joe the Revelator]

140. Oh cut it out, either argue a point or don't, but don't throw around....

....charges of 'sexism' over nothing.

[stevenleser]

143. I will do nothing you ask and keep calling it like I see it

You worry about yourself

[Joe the Revelator]

144. If unwarranted ad hominem attacks are 'calling it like you see it'...

...you're think way too highly of yourself.

[stevenleser]

150. Nope, calling a woman a witch is sexist. If you can't see that you are the one with the problem

If standing up for women isn't your gig, you are probably in the wrong party.

The party engaging in the war on women is the other guys.

[Joe the Revelator]

153. Holy shit, Don Quixote

Why don't you take a deep breath and realize that not every mention of the mythical figure of a 'witch' is sexist?

[stevenleser]

155. Don Quijote? So I'm some sort of white knight to you? It's becoming more and more clear

where you are coming from.

[Joe the Revelator]

160. Welp, it's obvious that you want no part of a real discussion.

By all means, continue the trolling! Its awesome bruh!

[SusanCalvin]

168. Sigh..

All I did (and I imagine most, if not all, others), was recognize the similarity of the OP's title to an iconic movie scene. So sue us.

[NowSam]

145. Thank you. eom

[frylock]

136. I guess I must be on Fox News Personality Steven Leser's ignore list.

[NowSam]

141. I don't get the reference

Please explain?

[Ken Burch]

123. What difference does it make? We're past Iowa now.

There is no reason to put pressure on him to concede. It doesn't matter whether he says HRC won or not.

[NowSam]

126. Surrender Dorothy!

You and your little dog too!

[Gothmog]

129. Why has Sanders not conceded?

[cherokeeprogressive]

135. "Without obsession, life is nothing."

John Waters

[Joe the Revelator]

139. Gore should have just given up on Florida and not had any votes recounted there either....

.......

[Matariki]

142. It amazes me how little people seem to understand how this stuff works

It's a primary. Delegates are awarded. "winning" or "losing" doesn't get you anything at this point but 'perception' and bragging rights I suppose.

The 'winner' will be decided once one of the candidates gets 2,382 delegates.

[Hiraeth]

149. exactly

[Hiraeth]

147. what is really ultra becoming is watching a winner demand something from a loser.

HILLARY DEMANDS. so gracious a winner is she and her supporters.

[jfern]

154. There's a good chance Bernie got more voters

And while Hillary narrowly won the county delegates, there's a good chance Bernie wins the state delegates with the help of the O'Malley county delegates. This wasn't really a win. No conspiracy theories needed.

[SusanCalvin]

161. Sigh....

As close as it was, nobody really "won." And we'll never really know. It was a tie.

I may stand corrected, see my #163. Well, that's why I read DU - for the education.

[Fearless]

169. Concede Gore the state party has declared a winner...