so bernie's right:it IS all about money:wealthier voters for clinton,middle/lower incomes for bernie

[restorefreedom]

from salon

A majority of Iowans from households making more than $100,000 a year supported Clinton, according to polls conducted by Edison Research, whereas those making less than $50,000 annually backed Sanders.



whether this holds for the rest of the country, we will see, but if it does, this is in bernie's favor.

the median household u.s. income is $53,657

people are starting to get it...this is not d vs r...its the money power brokers vs the rest of us.

guess which group is bigger?

[DanTex]

1. In Iowa. But nationwide, Bernie's voters skew wealthier than Clinton's.

[restorefreedom]

2. link? nt

[DanTex]

3. For example, here are the crosstabs from the latest IBDD/TPP poll.

Consistent with other's I've seen. Bernie's top income brackets are 50-75 and >75. Hillary's top two are 30-50 and <30.



http://www.investors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IBDTIPPpoll-LateJan.pdf

[restorefreedom]

4. very curious as to their sample selection, plus its a pretty small group

and since poc are often struggling, if they are currently supportive of clinton, that could explain some of it.

but thankfully, poc and struggling people of all colors are realizing that bernie is the candidate who will fix the rigged economy

thx for posting the table

[DanTex]

7. Yeah, I dunno, it's the most recent poll that I could find crosstabs for.

Like I said, it's consistent with other polls I've seen. And yeah, 380 is not a big sample, and the crosstab samples are obviously even smaller.

You're right, the fact that POC are stronger for Clinton surely has to do with it. It's possible that within the white demographic, Bernie is better among lower earners, and within POC, he's also better among lower earners, but since POC are lower earners on average, then nationwide Hillary's numbers with lower earners are stronger. I don't think there's polling data fine-grained enough to determine whether that's the case.

[restorefreedom]

8. i think that analysis is spot on.

will be curious if they follow this along as the primary goes forward.

[DanTex]

11. Come to think of it, there are other factors that muddle things.

Hillary is stronger with older voters, for example, and older people earn generally earn more than younger ones, not because of class, but because of getting raises and moving along in a career. The 18-24 demo, where Bernie is crushing her, consists of a lot of college students or beginning career people who don't earn much yet, but may well have large lifetime earning expectations. On the other hand, Hillary also has retirees, who don't earn much.

Since this was an Investor's Business Daily poll, they also asked if people were investors, and there's a pretty huge split there, with investors going for Hillary and non-investors for Bernie, so that supports the theory that rich people like Hillary.

It would be kind of fun to have all the raw data (and a much bigger sample) and dig through and figure all this out and how they relate to each other. Still, from what I've seen, I think overall it is accurate to say that at this point, Hillary's demographic skews less wealthy than Bernie's.

[restorefreedom]

16. yes, the age factor makes a lot of sense

in the ideal world, people will move up in their careers and make more as they get older. this current economy might be confounding that a bit with some prime age workers who were laid off and had to take lower paying jobs, etc. but the pattern probably holds to a large extent.

i noticed the name on the link and it makes total sense about the investors being for hillary. otoh, older folks might be more likely than college age people/millenials to be investors, so there is the age thing again.

with there only being two candidates now and the prospect of a long primary season, i have no doubt that the teams will be collecting lots of demo data. whether we get to see it will be another matter

[unc70]

20. You analysis seems wrong

I can't see how that data supports your claim. Sanders has almost the same percentage support in the various age groups as for the total -- and at the higher income, one percent from the sample total.

At the $75k+ range, Clinton has a sizable advantage over Sanders. With this data, you can only describe with statistics within this particular same, and barely that.

Yes, the raw number of Sanders supporters are in the $75k+ range, but that range has far more total than any other range. Not exactly a lie, but deliberately misleading. Notice the strange ranges used for the sub ranges.

Nothing about this sample can be extended to the larger population.

This looks like is just being used to support one of the current memes.

[DanTex]

21. Hillary's edge is largest at 30-50. Second largest at <30. Third largest at >75.

And Sanders is actually ahead with 50-75.

So the two biggest income brackets for Hillary are the two smaller ones.

[unc70]

24. Differences are less than sampling error

For such small samples, the percent support for each candidate are remarkably consistent across all income groups.
There is no significant difference for either candidate between income groups. Probably sampling error.

It might be interesting to see the top range divided into two or three, but have know idea if there would be differences.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. That will help him a lot more in the general.

In the primary, he faces other crosstab problems, like turning out young voters and closed primaries where voters had to switch their registration far in advance if they weren't still listed as Dems. It's still going to be a long, hard fight.

[restorefreedom]

6. absolutely. thankfully, he seems to have a sharp team

and is raising enough money to stay competitive. it will be largely gotv

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. I'd like to see Sarah Silverman do a revision of her ad campaign for Obama.

Have her plead with grandparents and parents to give their kids and grandkids the gift of the politician THEY want to help lead them into the future, not one chosen for them by the elderly.

[dsc]

12. gee maybe the elderly should just be put on ice flows and be done with it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. Class warfare. The 1% against the 99%.

The 99% will win.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[cantbeserious]

31. Yes - Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen

eom

[TBF]

13. It's always about the money. nt

[beachbum bob]

14. hillary supporters are the older adults and people who actually get out to vote

and of course minorities....and women...lots and lots of women...not class warfare...college kids don't have a lot of class yet...they usually sleep thru it

lol

[TBF]

22. Like these sleepers ...

Yes, bob, those are college kids in Iowa City who went big for Bernie. They care about their futures (mostly whether they have one or whether their potential jobs will be sent to Malaysia or filled with yet another H-1B Visa candidate). Hillary is toast.

[Codeine]

15. Wait until a state that isn't all white votes.

That will change the economic demographics dramatically.

[Odin2005]

17. That fits exactly my experience up north here in Minnesota.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

18. Affluenza - Senescence - Right of Center Dino's

Those with higher incomes, more age, and views more to the right voted for Hillary.

Republican Lite

That is not my cup of tea.

I am happy to be in the young - visionary - hopeful crowd.

An old man who can still imagine.

Clean Air
Healthy Waterways
Sustainable Food Production
Affordable Housing
Single Payer Healthcare
Commitment to Education for All
Green Energy and Transportation

And Relationships With Self And Others
and Between All Beings and Entities Based on Understanding

[restorefreedom]

19. i envision those things too

gen xer here. still hopeful that we can do this.

i do believe there are more of us visionaries than want to retain status quo

[TBF]

23. And some of us in the higher brackets

didn't inherit the wealth. We took out student loans & pay them back with interest on interest. My own kids have college accounts because that is where we've put the money we've been fortunate enough to make - into paying back our own loans and planning for their college. But I remember very clearly what it was like to leave for college at 17 (birthday later in the year) with only my summer money - no trust fund for me. And there are no trust funds for most American kiddos these days. This is a huge issue for me and one that will keep me solidly in Bernie's camp for the duration.

[restorefreedom]

25. nice to hear from some in the higher incomes who see what bernie is saying.

kids today, families today, have no pathway to a better life unless they have parents like you who have saved, or they inherited wealth which is just the 1% or so, or they leave college with mega debt. we can do better.

bernie 2016
for all of us

[TBF]

26. My parents worked in factories -

even those jobs are gone (at least they could do piece work and make a living). We could still do the public universities though - in the 80s my in state tuition was less than $1000/semester. It was only in graduate school that I encountered the loans. Today even in-state $10K year, up to $25K or maybe $30K out of state (that's public - the privates are $50K/year). Who but the very wealthy can afford this? Seriously insane.

[restorefreedom]

29. it is insane. my dad was a union truck operator and laborer

tough gig to get now. i was able to go to state university for something like 5 or 6 grand a year, lived at home. now they are graduating with 50 or 100k debt.

shameful in 2016

[Senator Tankerbell]

27. Something I have noticed.

This is admittedly anecdotal but I have noticed that the people I know who are supporting Hillary tend to be more comfortable financially. And their main reason for preferring Hillary is that she is a woman and they want to elect a female president. This is a worthy goal to be sure I think most people can't afford to have that be the deciding issue. It must be nice to be in a position where your number one issue is the gender of the candidate.

[restorefreedom]

30. like with much in life, the wealthier have more choices.

many of us have to vote with our economic interests at heart, as you point out. we can't afford the luxury items yet. we need the necessities first.

note to juries...yes, i am suggesting that going for a female president just to have a female president is a luxury most of us can't afford. rule as you must.

[MisterP]

32. linkin log

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/with_a_virtual_tie_between_clinton_and_sanders_in_iowa_bernies_campaign_proves_it_has_serious_grassroots_power/

[restorefreedom]

33. the article is overly pesimistic about sanders imo

but given what salon has become, i am not surprised.

they underestimate him at their own peril.

the supers are a non issue, if the popular vote is with bernie, they will switch.

worth reading though!

[R B Garr]

34. I just read that a Bernie supporter here wears COUTURE

That fits the description of "wealthier". No one "needs" Couture.

Actually, formal analysis is that BS fans are better off in general. Maybe not in every county but overall they can afford to muse about socialism rather than ensuring a Dem gets the WH.

[restorefreedom]

35. i don't know what couture is, maybe designer clothing? and most of us are not musing

we are trying to right a ship that is sinking from financial and political corruption and is taking most of us down with it.

and i can assure you that no bernies supporter i know thinks of this as a casual hobby. we are fighting like hell to save our democracy from the oligarchs before we lose our power altogether

and if you have been looking at head to head polls, you will see that the best chance of the wh is with bernie.

namaste

[R B Garr]

36. Both Trump and Bernie faltered in their golden outsiders

parachuting in to save America storylines after Iowa. So those polls need revisIng.

[restorefreedom]

37. i guess we shall see soon enough, on both sides. nt

[TBF]

39. Maybe Susan Sarandon? She supports Bernie

and has a net worth of M$50.

Hillary Clinton's net worth is M$31.3. Source:http://moneynation.com/hillary-clinton-net-worth/

I doubt many of us normal folks on DU have that sort of cash lying around. And if you do could I interest you in paying some student loans off??? Please????

[frylock]

38. I'm certain you would find that same divide here at DU.

There's a whole lotta 'I got mineism' going around here these days.

[restorefreedom]

40. its very troubling, imo

someome on tv likened it to getting out of a dangerous situation and closing the door behind you so no one else can escape..

kinda what its starting to feel like....

[frylock]

42. Yep. Pulling up the ladder.

[restorefreedom]

44. how undemocratic of them. nt

[frylock]

45. It's what fucking conservatives do.

[restorefreedom]

46. eyup. nt

[uponit7771]

41. Lower income WHITE MALES for Sanders, blacks... Hispanics... Women... gays .. most of the poor

... nationally are for Hillary... you know, the ones the revolution is for


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1130100

[restorefreedom]

43. the tide is turning...

and as more people get exposed to bernie's message, its just gonna get bigger....