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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:04 AM Feb 2016

Should it matter that Bernie Sanders doesn't have an advanced degree?

Bernie Sanders has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley both have law degrees. On the GOP side, Trump is the only one of the top 4 candidates who doesn't have an advanced degree. Rubio and Cruz have law degrees, and Carson has a medical degree.

Should it matter? Will it matter?

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Should it matter that Bernie Sanders doesn't have an advanced degree? (Original Post) apples and oranges Feb 2016 OP
THIS IS AMERICA grasswire Feb 2016 #1
Agree 100%. If someone makes it an issue, the public will like Bernie all the more for it. reformist2 Feb 2016 #80
Not for a legislator. But, I wouldn't say it's a requirement but it is a helpful asset. askew Feb 2016 #141
It seems like DU is being used to float new attack lines for candidates. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #145
Seems a pretty smart guy. Anyway not sure why it matters at age 74 and a two-term Senator. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #2
Do you find that planting questions like this help to change any opinions? EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #3
Don't know what you're getting at. I like all the candidates. apples and oranges Feb 2016 #5
LOL! Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #52
Yeah, made me snort too! demwing Feb 2016 #83
I could hear the rattling of the pearls as they were being clutched. frylock Feb 2016 #154
See his reply #29 ;) nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #111
He/She deserves the ridicule. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #117
Lol. Yah, sure. cali Feb 2016 #75
What about Carter? Fearless Feb 2016 #4
President Carter had a Ph. D. in nuclear physics. ladjf Feb 2016 #131
It's not how many degrees you have...or which ones... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2016 #6
What matters is if one is smart or not madokie Feb 2016 #63
"it only got him 6 feet of earth" demwing Feb 2016 #101
I went through a lot of schooling, and still enjoy it, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #107
I'm still in school madokie Feb 2016 #115
The most important skills I got in college Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #120
Degrees do not confer judgment or wisdom. merrily Feb 2016 #132
Judgement matters, destablizing other countries which give rise to terrorism ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #7
+1! tecelote Feb 2016 #76
This is the most neglected scandal FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #86
Abraham Lincoln had one year of formal education . . . Journeyman Feb 2016 #8
I immediately thought of Truman. 840high Feb 2016 #31
What? Some one is running for president.... daleanime Feb 2016 #9
Not to mention that UChicago is considered "Ivy Plus". This is a Brave New Meme they have started. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #13
U Chi where the speed of light was measured for the first time and other good things. merrily Feb 2016 #133
Doesn't matter to me in the slightest. NowSam Feb 2016 #10
Is this Wednesday's meme? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #11
He doesn't have a JD? ucrdem Feb 2016 #12
And yet Bernie knew better than to believe Bush. Guess who did? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #14
He also represented VT. As far as the JD, ucrdem Feb 2016 #17
What difference does it make what state he represented, were the facts different in New York? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #19
Not having a law degree matters. I consider it a fucking PLUS. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #53
I tried madokie Feb 2016 #64
What do you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #15
A good start ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #32
.. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #36
It bothers me more that he recorded an album gwheezie Feb 2016 #16
LOL! Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #18
Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #108
Well, I have to say that this is the most hilariously obvious new meme in a while. djean111 Feb 2016 #20
What is your opinion? Does it matter to YOU? Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #21
Here's what troubles me: It looks like sexism when two candidates are running apples and oranges Feb 2016 #29
Sexism? Are you for real? 840high Feb 2016 #33
Right? Does the op think they're applying for a job at a law firm? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #35
Qualified by what? Repeat failures of judgment? ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #34
Establish that an advanced degree is necessary for the job for which he is running. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #40
Oh, please, please, circulate this meme far and wide. winter is coming Feb 2016 #46
It looks sexist because it is. nt BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #50
Wow - congratulations. Maedhros Feb 2016 #66
I think her documented poor judgment has to be factored in cali Feb 2016 #96
"clearly more qualified" demwing Feb 2016 #121
Oh come now. She was hardly inconsequential as SoS. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #128
If we were talking about most qualified, O'Malley had a strong argument for that. askew Feb 2016 #142
Damn, that is total bullshit. saltpoint Feb 2016 #155
It might work to his advantage really. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #22
You don't have to sell out to get a graduate degree jfern Feb 2016 #25
You're right Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #27
Bros keep forgetting they are insulting actual voters with crap like this. bettyellen Feb 2016 #150
Unbelievable. apples and oranges Feb 2016 #30
Isn't it? Now the "revolution" is anti-advanced degrees. DanTex Feb 2016 #84
No cantbeserious Feb 2016 #23
I can't imagine why anyone would care about that. Or should. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #24
Because Obama gave us ACA and Reagan gave us Star Wars. ucrdem Feb 2016 #26
That's possibly the dumbest argument I've ever read. winter is coming Feb 2016 #43
I think we are long overdue for Wise Child Feb 2016 #28
I like the way you think! Arazi Feb 2016 #144
Elitist much? ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #37
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #38
I find the notion that an advanced degree is necessary simultaneously pathetic and hilarious. winter is coming Feb 2016 #45
+1. I find that with an advanced degree I would have too narrow a scope of mind. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #62
Not necessarily on that "scope of mind" thing, but it can definitely happen. winter is coming Feb 2016 #91
Yes that's what i meant but failed to state properly. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #146
No, of course not! You are aware that the Pubs dearl beloved Reagan had NO college degree. napi21 Feb 2016 #39
The less education, the worse the president does it seems. eom apples and oranges Feb 2016 #41
Abraham Lincoln didn't even go to college Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #58
Harry S. Truman. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #79
You keep repeating that demwing Feb 2016 #123
nope elana i am Feb 2016 #42
It seems the op thinks Ben Carson is more qualified than Bernie. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44
Evidently, Democrats aren't immune either. frylock Feb 2016 #158
Does it matter that Hillary Clinon silenttigersong Feb 2016 #47
George W. Bush had an "advanced degree." Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #48
Yes, Bush's MBA (Harvard Business School, 1975) was obviously the source of his economic sagacity. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #149
Not at all Philos Feb 2016 #49
Ben Carson's higher degree Mike__M Feb 2016 #51
I dunno, did it matter to you that Jimmy Carter didn't have an advanced degree?? MgtPA Feb 2016 #54
Al Gore didn't have one. GWB was the only President to graduate from both Harvard and Yale. DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #55
And Romney had a JD and MBA, and I don't think he was too popular on DU jfern Feb 2016 #70
Just shoot me! This is really a topic for serious discussion! 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #56
Yes. we should all be forced to purchase advanced degrees. Educators need to make money too. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #57
Should it matter that you think you are much more clever than you actually are? cui bono Feb 2016 #59
Whack threads like this are good for one thing: the entertaining rec list. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #60
This is silly vadermike Feb 2016 #61
Michelle Bachmann has an advanced degree. polly7 Feb 2016 #65
So does Sarah Palin happynewyear Feb 2016 #71
Right? polly7 Feb 2016 #74
Really? Which school offers a Master's in Crazy Eyes? n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #110
Oh hell no... Kalidurga Feb 2016 #127
NO!!!! Downwinder Feb 2016 #67
If I want a lawyer I'll call Clinton TSIAS Feb 2016 #68
Reagan didn't, and I don't think Bush-1 did either. George Washington had no degree. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #69
The other candidates have more degrees Califonz Feb 2016 #72
this kind of elitist bullshit restorefreedom Feb 2016 #73
Not unless you think Cruz, et al., ... Ino Feb 2016 #77
Does Hillary’s resume really make her the ‘best-qualified’ presidential candidate? gordyfl Feb 2016 #78
no Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #81
Hillary failed the D.C. bar exam. djean111 Feb 2016 #82
She did?! JudyM Feb 2016 #112
Yup. You would think whoever thought this was useful would have done their due djean111 Feb 2016 #143
No. redwitch Feb 2016 #85
Hillary's education is a big bonus and ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #87
It what way is it a big bonus? I really don't get this. winter is coming Feb 2016 #94
Jeb! Does not have an advanced degree Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #88
Who needs a degree when your name has an exclamation point? n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #93
LOL!!! JudyM Feb 2016 #114
And decades of experience negotiating successfully in a highly complex environment. JudyM Feb 2016 #116
No (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #89
There are two up on Mount Rushmore ornotna Feb 2016 #90
Based on some of the strong reactions witnessed here (and elsewhere) ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #92
I don't care about that. N/t gollygee Feb 2016 #95
Ohforcryingoutloud. Wednesday's meme of the day. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #97
Yes it matters in today's world! Examples: Elizabeth Warren and Barak Obama Sancho Feb 2016 #98
List of presidents and their degrees (JFK and FDR had only a bachelor's degree). Karmadillo Feb 2016 #99
Warren is a law professor, not economics Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #129
You are right, she is a law professor. I should clarify... Sancho Feb 2016 #135
My recollection is that she taught Bankruptcy Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #136
That makes sense. Maybe I'll look for a biography since it came up... Sancho Feb 2016 #138
Harry Truman only had a high school diploma. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #100
No. Vinca Feb 2016 #102
Common Sense. All the fredamae Feb 2016 #103
Thank the gods Bernie ISN'T a lawyer. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #104
Hey, no need to slam lawyers. Many, many of us are working for social justice. Nt JudyM Feb 2016 #118
Notice my 'slimy' adjective modified 'politicians' and not 'lawyers'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #122
I share that view, absolutely. JudyM Feb 2016 #124
They are old enough and have gained experience which is touted bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #105
lawyers. all. can argue the legalities of any situation and are trained to do it. meh. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #106
Let's not forget that he comes from a generation that didn't slavishly go to school forever. they CTyankee Feb 2016 #109
Specifically, for Bernie, no, but... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #113
That makes him even more qualified. He's like most average Americans. vaberella Feb 2016 #119
No, of course not. book_worm Feb 2016 #125
No. Should it matter that Hillary advocated for invading Iraq, while Bernie advocated against? YES. merrily Feb 2016 #126
No. He is one of the most knowledgeable people in American politics. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #130
That's not what I've observed. His performance in the debates made that uncomfortably clear. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #139
No. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #134
Yes, he should've taken more political science courses rather than serve in Congress for decades n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #137
No who cares? Both Sanders and Hillary are ancient and this point they probably don't even askew Feb 2016 #140
The best response to that is...Nixon had a law degree. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #147
Bam. Yes indeed. eom saltpoint Feb 2016 #156
Hell no. Harry Truman was a great president who never went to college. Punkingal Feb 2016 #148
Which one was smart enough to vote against the War in Iraq? nt valerief Feb 2016 #151
Abraham Lincoln was not a product saltpoint Feb 2016 #152
His 25 years of 'on the job' documented work in our Gov= a 25 year "degree education" IMO. Sunlei Feb 2016 #153
no! credentialism is out of control. Bernie is smart and principled. he's what we desperately need amborin Feb 2016 #157

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
80. Agree 100%. If someone makes it an issue, the public will like Bernie all the more for it.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:52 AM
Feb 2016

Want to remind the American people that everyone running is a lawyer, except for Bernie??? By all means, please do!!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Seems a pretty smart guy. Anyway not sure why it matters at age 74 and a two-term Senator.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:09 AM
Feb 2016

Scott Walker didn't even have a bachelor's, and he was a GOP favorite before Trump. Ben Carson's a doctor, no one cares. And O'Malley's law degree didn't make a difference.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
131. President Carter had a Ph. D. in nuclear physics.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:53 AM
Feb 2016

Correction:

Jimmy Carter received B.S. in physics from the Naval Academy.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
63. What matters is if one is smart or not
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:30 AM
Feb 2016

I knew a guy who made going to college his life long dream. As long as his grand mother would finance it he went. She died after 24 years of supporting him and he died shortly thereafter broke and from an over dose. All his degrees didn't mean squat. He was smart he could rattle off statistics with the best of them or discuss any and all issues but it only got him 6 feet of earth. He was book smart but dumb as a box of rocks.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
101. "it only got him 6 feet of earth"
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

To be fair, the same end is in store for each of us, regardless of our stature.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
107. I went through a lot of schooling, and still enjoy it, but
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:59 AM
Feb 2016

I did eventually learn that 'well-educated' and 'smart' and 'wise' are all completely independent. I ran into PhDs I wouldn't trust to fill out a form for me, and people who only had a high school diploma who had incredible insight into human nature and society. People with IQs in the stratosphere who couldn't ever figure out how to interact with others, and people with bachelors' who got along with everyone they met.

School is important for teaching very specific skills, and providing alternate perspectives, but if you're paying attention, everything around you will teach you important things, whether or not you're in 'school'.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
115. I'm still in school
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

I'm 67 and every day I learn something new.

I've found if a person has to tell me about all the education they've got they pretty much haven't got anything else. Smart people don't have to tell anyone they're smart, you'll know it by what they say or do.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
120. The most important skills I got in college
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

I could have gotten elsewhere. There, I just had a few professors who were intent on honing those skills in students. And really, none of them were area-of-study specific. If I were sent back in time, to change my own past, I'd tell my younger self NOT to get so many advanced degrees, but to spend more time studying the learning process itself, and social interaction, organizing types of skills. Just found this website that has a lot of great info - racialequitytools.org

merrily

(45,251 posts)
132. Degrees do not confer judgment or wisdom.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

Smartest one in the Wizard of Oz didn't need a piece of paper to be smart. He only was "concerned" he needed one. The Wizard set him straight.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
76. +1!
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:40 AM
Feb 2016

I'll take common sense for 2016.

Let's stop focusing on regime change and focus on building a better America. This will make the world a better place.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
86. This is the most neglected scandal
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:30 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie must bring this into the debate. It is a question of judgment. What does it say that Hillary sided with McCain and Lindsay in the Libya debate?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
133. U Chi where the speed of light was measured for the first time and other good things.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/07/070924.michelson.shtml

It's an impressive place--and I live in spitting distance of M.I.T., Harvard, Boston University and Kerry's alma mater, Boston College.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
10. Doesn't matter to me in the slightest.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:15 AM
Feb 2016

He is a brilliant courageous inspiring leader who sees and speaks incredible truths that no one in my lifetime have stated so clearly or even at all. Many great leaders in history have come from humble beginnings and were self educated. His life is his degree.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. He also represented VT. As far as the JD,
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

this is the first I've heard of it but it's troubling. I've posted his "too big to fail" legislation a couple of times because it's an utter joke. But I figured on some level that it was supposed to be. Sorry but yeah, not having a law degree matters.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. What difference does it make what state he represented, were the facts different in New York?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:25 AM
Feb 2016

No, having a law degree does not matter, good luck with your new meme but it's going to backfire.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
64. I tried
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:35 AM
Feb 2016

but I just can't listen to 10 minutes of Hillary, sorry
she makes me feel dirty just listening to her

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
16. It bothers me more that he recorded an album
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

He can't sing a note and has no life in his singing voice.
It doesn't matter to me that he doesn't have an advanced degree. That's not the reason I support HRC.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. Well, I have to say that this is the most hilariously obvious new meme in a while.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:26 AM
Feb 2016

Sounds like a RW talking point.

In any event, a law degree did not keep Hillary from enthusiastically shilling for war, fracking, and the TPP, so maybe a law degree should be on my list of things I do not want in a candidate.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
29. Here's what troubles me: It looks like sexism when two candidates are running
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:46 AM
Feb 2016

for the same job, the female applicant is clearly more qualified than the male applicant, but the male applicant gets the job.

Second, I think a JD would have helped Sanders create a more coherent message. Law school isn't easy, it would have helped test and shape him for the better.

Third, more people are beginning to wonder if Sanders has intellectual curiosity in areas outside of fiscal policy.

To answer your question, all things being equal, I prefer more education over less education. We should have high standards for who can be president of this great land.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. Establish that an advanced degree is necessary for the job for which he is running.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

Your own personal preference does not count. Approach this as a job discrimination lawsuit that has nothing to do with or own personal bias.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
66. Wow - congratulations.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:49 AM
Feb 2016

I've seen some ridiculous arguments lately, but yours is singularly inane.

/ignore list.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
96. I think her documented poor judgment has to be factored in
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:01 AM
Feb 2016

And I am not just referring to her vote for the IWR.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
121. "clearly more qualified"
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

Flawed as a senator
Inconsequential as the SOS
Consistently shows poor judgement and an inclination to play loose with facts.

how is Clinton qualified again?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
128. Oh come now. She was hardly inconsequential as SoS.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:48 AM
Feb 2016

She pushed Obama into the surge, destroying Libya, pushing death and destruction world-wide.

She's a neocon's wet dream in her support of the MIC.

askew

(1,464 posts)
142. If we were talking about most qualified, O'Malley had a strong argument for that.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

He has 15 years of executive experience. He's the only one who worked with a legislature as an executive to get legislation passed and enacted. He is only one who oversaw large law enforcement agencies, etc.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
155. Damn, that is total bullshit.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

Angela Merkel has a doctorate in physics. She seems to be doing ok in her current job.

Eric Hoffer was self-educated. His book The True Believer will make a believer out of you.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
22. It might work to his advantage really.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:29 AM
Feb 2016

To pass through law school or graduate school people have to learn to accept a lot of bullshit, to not question authority, to be very serious and respectable, to be a conformist, to not rock the boat. Those are the same honed skills and behaviors that allow politicians to get rich off of massive speaking fees and kickbacks while revolving in and out of office.

In Bernie's case he breaks all those rules and that's part of what makes him seem authentic, and not at all like other politicians.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
27. You're right
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:34 AM
Feb 2016

I didn't mean it like that.

He's got a raw authentic quality I don't usually see in lawyers and stuff.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
43. That's possibly the dumbest argument I've ever read.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:10 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary was all in for a war based on lies, while Bernie opposed it. He correctly predicted many of the bad results that would follow, thus demonstrating that possession of an advanced degree is no guarantee of good decision-making.

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
37. Elitist much?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:54 AM
Feb 2016

Do you really think that a piece of paper is worth something more than a life experience of repeated success in furthering the People's causes? A lifetime of ethical behavior in public and private? A lifetime of integrity?

What a sad little world...

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
45. I find the notion that an advanced degree is necessary simultaneously pathetic and hilarious.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

And I have an advanced degree.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
62. +1. I find that with an advanced degree I would have too narrow a scope of mind.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:19 AM
Feb 2016

This meme is fascinating. As someone in graduate school, the idea that an advanced degree, let alone a law degree, is in some way qualification is to me just

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
91. Not necessarily on that "scope of mind" thing, but it can definitely happen.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:32 AM
Feb 2016

"Doesn't see the big picture" is the way I usually hear that criticism phrased, and there are certainly people like that.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
39. No, of course not! You are aware that the Pubs dearl beloved Reagan had NO college degree.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:55 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sure no Reagan fan, but he sure figured out how to really screw up the Country. Most of the decisions he made in the 80's are still negatively impacting the Country today! Even people with JD's couldn't have done more damage.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
58. Abraham Lincoln didn't even go to college
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:50 AM
Feb 2016

And George W. Bush had the best "education" that legacy money can buy-- two degrees from Ivy League universities.

As you were saying?

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
79. Harry S. Truman.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:48 AM
Feb 2016

One semester of business college. A few night courses in law. So guess your point is wrong.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. It seems the op thinks Ben Carson is more qualified than Bernie.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science ... and Carson has a medical degree.



silenttigersong

(957 posts)
47. Does it matter that Hillary Clinon
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

failed her Washington D.C bar exam ?Bill Clinton lost his law license because of Monica?President Obama's Justice dept did not pursue charges regarding Bush's illegal war?
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
149. Yes, Bush's MBA (Harvard Business School, 1975) was obviously the source of his economic sagacity.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

Can you imagine what might have happened, in the perilous first decade of this century, if we hadn't been blessed with the only President in history who can claim that credential? We might have had soaring budget deficits, a stock market crash, widespread unemployment... I shudder to think.

 

Philos

(85 posts)
49. Not at all
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:35 AM
Feb 2016

Considering the mess some of the other people with advanced degrees got us into, I don't exactly consider it a job requirement.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
55. Al Gore didn't have one. GWB was the only President to graduate from both Harvard and Yale.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016

Tell me how that worked out?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
57. Yes. we should all be forced to purchase advanced degrees. Educators need to make money too.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:50 AM
Feb 2016

By the way, some of the stupidest people I know hold advanced degrees and are still paying through the nose for them.

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
61. This is silly
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

It doesn't matter omg if we are all bickering over this small shit say hello to president Rubio he thanks you .. In fact if I were betting right now I see that he could easily beat either of our too front runners dems are divided and not like 08 This election scares the shit outta me I see people who voted for Obama in 8 and 12 flirting with GOP and say shit like Rubio isn't so bad Dems are deluding ourselves if we think this is gonna be easy catwalk election and it pisses me off ok rant off lol

polly7

(20,582 posts)
74. Right?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:23 AM
Feb 2016

Woman - check. (just a reply to the claim of sexism I saw here).

Advanced Degree - check.

Why wouldn't they have both won their respective candidacies? Hard to understand, that. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Ino

(3,366 posts)
77. Not unless you think Cruz, et al., ...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:45 AM
Feb 2016

would be better presidents than Sanders because of their degrees.

Do you?

gordyfl

(598 posts)
78. Does Hillary’s resume really make her the ‘best-qualified’ presidential candidate?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:47 AM
Feb 2016

IS HILLARY CLINTON qualified to be president?

To hear some of her prominent supporters tell it, no candidate could be more qualified. Many Clinton admirers talk this way.

If imposing resumes augured presidential greatness, James Buchanan would be on Mount Rushmore.

When Buchanan was elected president in 1856, it doubtless seemed to many that a candidate with such glittering political credentials was destined for brilliance in the White House.

But Buchanan failed miserably as president.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/03/does-hillary-resume-really-make-her-best-qualified-presidential-candidate/oVQRpgfUR5xvtmZylUYUbO/story.html

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
82. Hillary failed the D.C. bar exam.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:08 AM
Feb 2016

She then passed the Arkansas bar exam.
Maybe she she is reaching beyond her capabilities, if that degree is all that important, eh?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
94. It what way is it a big bonus? I really don't get this.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:51 AM
Feb 2016

At this point in their careers, comparing Hillary's and Bernie's degrees/schools is silly. That sort of thing would be relevant if they were both fresh out of school and had no work experience to judge them by, or if there was some reason we actually need the President to have an advanced degree, but neither of those things are true.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
88. Jeb! Does not have an advanced degree
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:06 AM
Feb 2016

In fact many think Jeb! Does not even have a bachelors degree.

Bernie has shown me that he is more than educated enough to be a great president.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
92. Based on some of the strong reactions witnessed here (and elsewhere) ...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

... this would seem to be a very touchy subject.

Ultimately, I think it's highly unlikely that this will be an "issue" (in the typical way that people think of election issues) ... however, I do believe that it's something that some voters will be considering as part of the entire picture. Whether it's something that matters to individual voters, and if so, the extent that it matters, remains to be seen.

Nevertheless it's an interesting question that's resulted in some interesting responses.

Go, Hillary!

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
97. Ohforcryingoutloud. Wednesday's meme of the day.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

If we can survive the disastrous, hellish, miserable 8 freakin' years of the IDIOT-IN-CHIEF, Bush, who attended YALE and Harvard, Bernie's more than qualified. As you well know, Yale and Harvard degrees didn't help Bush be a good president!

Besides that, we do have a Constitution and it doesn't require ANY degree.

And Bernie is one hell of a smart guy!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
98. Yes it matters in today's world! Examples: Elizabeth Warren and Barak Obama
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

Warren sounds pretty smart on economics because she was an economics professor.
Obama made fantastic appointments to the Supreme Court because he had studied Constitutional Law.

You can always depend on advisors and study yourself, but formal study in a topic can be very useful in political positions!

Experience is helpful too, because people learn from relevant experience. Warren and Obama are proof that the best decisions often occur within one's area of advanced study - where you have a chance to explore and debate and consider the details of some subject.

For example, in the few years after Yale Law school, Hillary's early experience was...
1973-1974 - Works as an attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
January 1974 - Begins working for John Doar, the special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee, who is in charge of the inquiry in to the possible impeachment of President Richard Nixon.
August 1974 - Moves to Arkansas to teach at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
1974-1977 - Director of Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
1974-1977 and 1979-1980 - Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
1976-1992 - Attorney at Rose Law Firm, Little Rock, Arkansas. Is named partner in 1979.
1978 - President Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corp., an organization that provides federal funds to legal-aid bureaus throughout the United States.
1978 - Bill Clinton is elected governor of Arkansas. Hillary Clinton continues to work at Rose Law Firm, making her the first First Lady of Arkansas to continue working while her husband is governor.
1979 - Governor Clinton appoints her chairperson of the Rural Health Advisory Committee, whose members deal with the issue of providing health care in isolated areas.

Hillary's formal training included https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton:

Rodham then entered Yale Law School. There she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.[37] During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,[38] learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973).[39][40] She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale–New Haven Hospital[39] and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.[38] In the summer of 1970 she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[41] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[42] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey, with Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics.[43]

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
99. List of presidents and their degrees (JFK and FDR had only a bachelor's degree).
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:34 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.rasmussen.edu/student-life/blogs/main/us-presidents-with-college-educations-from-learners-to-leaders/

An Ordered List of our President’s College Education
1. George Washington, 1789 - 1797George Washington
College Attended: College of William and Mary
Degree Earned: Surveyor's License

2. John Adams, 1797 - 1801
College Attended: Harvard University
Degrees Earned: Bachelor’s degree; Master’s degree

3. Thomas Jefferson, 1801 - 1809
College Attended: College of William and Mary
Degree Earned: Bachelor’s degree

4. James Madison, 1809 - 1817
College Attended: Princeton University
Degree Earned: Bachelor’s degree

5. James Monroe, 1817 - 1825
College Attended: College of William and Mary
Degree Earned: Bachelor’s degree

more....

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
135. You are right, she is a law professor. I should clarify...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

Her area of expertise was something like commerce and banking (I didn't look it up, but I remember her self-description on a TV show). I realize that a bunch of topics run together.

I think of Warren in terms of money and finance, but she technically taught finance in a law school, not purely economic theory.

I think that's one reason that formal study of modern topics gets so complex when dealing with specialized study. As far as I know, Warren has never mentioned practicing law very much, but most of her pre-Congress experience was as a professor.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
136. My recollection is that she taught Bankruptcy
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

She first came to my attention when she gave numbers for the people in bankruptcy due to medical debt. (Over half of the population seeking bankruptcy protection was seeking protection from medical bills.)

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
138. That makes sense. Maybe I'll look for a biography since it came up...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

During interviews and in Congress, she is very good at clarifying the logic of various policies and laws, even when they are complex.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
103. Common Sense. All the
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:49 AM
Feb 2016

"book learnin'", high IQ's, degrees etc in the World are Useless is you don't have common sense, imo.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
104. Thank the gods Bernie ISN'T a lawyer.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:50 AM
Feb 2016

I've had enough legal parsing of language from the Clintons and other slimy politicians to last a lifetime.

We don't need more 'It depends on what the definition of is, is' people in the White House.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
122. Notice my 'slimy' adjective modified 'politicians' and not 'lawyers'.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

And even there, it's only many, not all.

My big beef is with people who use language parsing as an excuse for unethical behaviour, being careful to benefit themselves by doing everything that's 'legal' while not giving a damn about what's moral, or even just ethical.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
105. They are old enough and have gained experience which is touted
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:56 AM
Feb 2016

as education and can be given credit towards an education. I think Bernie has a lot more than that degree in knowledge, experience, wisdom and commitment. It doesn't matter at this time in the game. Not at all.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
106. lawyers. all. can argue the legalities of any situation and are trained to do it. meh.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:58 AM
Feb 2016

give me ethics any day.

remember ... define is.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
109. Let's not forget that he comes from a generation that didn't slavishly go to school forever. they
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

earned the Bachelor's and set off to work. That is what Bernie did. Put that in the proper perspective with what was expected at the time.

I say this as one who went back to school to finish a Bachelor's (having to meld two different majors into one...not simple). But I kinda liked the idea of the LIberal Studies grad program at my school and I went back and got the master's. It took over 4 years but actually I loved every minute of it!

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
113. Specifically, for Bernie, no, but...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

...it really does help to have an educational background in law or political science. Bernie's age and experience have given him an understanding of the political system. Typically, today's Republicans say they want someone who is not a lawyer (while blindly electing mostly lawyers). Their idea is to have an unknowledgeable and weak President, easily controlled by the ruling class. Hillary and Bernie are knowledgeable and strong candidates!

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
119. That makes him even more qualified. He's like most average Americans.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

I so far have yet to see that a law degree makes you that much better in the arena of governing. In addition, that's why there are political advisers. Not to mention, it really doesn't matter since Bernie Sanders has proven himself qualified as the best of them.

I don't believe it matters or should matter. It is someone who loves this country and wants the best for it. Everyone else he can hire to be honest. I don't see why this is made into a big deal. What has Clinton really accomplished with her advanced degree that Bernie hasn't?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
126. No. Should it matter that Hillary advocated for invading Iraq, while Bernie advocated against? YES.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1127696

Should it matter that he leads on the right side of history, while she hangs onto the wrong side of history for far too long? YES.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
134. No.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

I was bothered by Walker not having a bachelor's degree, but I was bothered by everything about Walker, so that's not a perfect analogy. Anyway, if someone has a degree, it demonstrates a desire to learn and grow, so I'm fine with that. I don't support Sanders for other reasons, mainly my commitment to Hillary.

askew

(1,464 posts)
140. No who cares? Both Sanders and Hillary are ancient and this point they probably don't even
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

Remember their college educations.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
152. Abraham Lincoln was not a product
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

of a classical education apart from his own self-directed learning.

A case could be made that he did pretty well in the White House.

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