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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:57 PM Feb 2016

Why are Bernie Sanders's supporters advancing a false narrative that young people favor Sen Sanders?

People tend to forget that Mitt Romney won the white millennial vote in 2012. President Obama won the overall millennial vote due to young African Americans and Latinos turning out and voting for him.

A small segment of young white liberals might prefer Senator Sanders, but it doesn't mean he is a favorite among young African Americans and Latinos. Indeed, the polling results in Iowa show that people of color overwhelmingly voted for Secretary Clinton. Among the non-whites, Hillary won 58% compared to the 34% of Bernie's.

Let's talk about who the "millennials" favor after we give states with higher concentration of African Americans and Latinos a chance to vote.

So, can the Bernie Sanders's supporters stop advancing a false narrative that young people favor Sen. Sanders? If you want to be accurate, you can say "young white liberals" support Bernie Sanders.

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Why are Bernie Sanders's supporters advancing a false narrative that young people favor Sen Sanders? (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP
Didn't you watch the cacuses last night FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #1
You didn't read the OP did you? Its an easy read, ... you... wow.. come on people uponit7771 Feb 2016 #5
Yes I did - and you Op totally off base FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #41
I don't see an age breakdown for POC. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #2
They didn't publish a breakdown for that in the entrance/exit polls I've seen nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #4
Awesome smack down. ucrdem Feb 2016 #3
Thank you, SBS supporters kept repeating this false narrative. I couldn't let them get away with it. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #12
its not a false narrative. drray23 Feb 2016 #6
The Bernie supporters in our precinct, last night, were a mix... Frustratedlady Feb 2016 #24
Because it's true? ViseGrip Feb 2016 #7
Great post! Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #8
Thanks :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #13
Young people of color also like Bernie. Have you talked to any? I have. I know they also support him reformist2 Feb 2016 #9
False narratives define the 'Not Hillary' Party. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #10
One more thing I would like to add. Democratic party is losing the white vote. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #11
Because... That's What Happened ??? WillyT Feb 2016 #14
So, young white liberals favor Senator Sanders. Thanks for proving my point. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #15
Yep. That piece is missing from every ostensible 'breakdown' of the vote I've seen. MADem Feb 2016 #17
Facts are hard. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16
this guy always pops in, puts up total nonsense then disapears. litlbilly Feb 2016 #18
Was the handle ProudToRingAndRun already taken? winter is coming Feb 2016 #20
Yup, everyone needs a hobby I guess. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21
I am transparent. I post the jury results unlike some people. cough. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #27
And why should we believe that? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28
Because I believe in you scottie. I believe in your potential. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #29
i am at your service. How may I help? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #25
white liberals Doctor_J Feb 2016 #30
Shhhhh! The op's on a roll! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #31
Can I ask you a personal question? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #33
Er, we're talking about Ds in Iowa, not the whole state that includes Rs stopbush Feb 2016 #38
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #19
Get it right. winter is coming Feb 2016 #22
And atheist, they started using that as a slur last week. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26
jury results ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #37
I think it's the media advancing the narrative elias49 Feb 2016 #23
LOL. Clinton is Blockbuster. Sanders is Netflix. mhatrw Feb 2016 #32
I'm old fashioned I guess....I prefer to think that we're all in this together Armstead Feb 2016 #34
"A small segment of young white liberals might prefer Senator Sanders"--that might be an TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #35
Also, there are paradoxes in this whole demograopic breakdown shit Armstead Feb 2016 #36
Why is that any concern of yours, really? djean111 Feb 2016 #39
Not to mention one is currently "learning spanish" as practice for future hispandering. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #40
She'll rouse the crowds with Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #42
If your claim had any merit, you would have produced polling data. jeff47 Feb 2016 #43
I am kicking this thread because it's more true than ever. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #44

drray23

(7,633 posts)
6. its not a false narrative.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

Yesterday night they showed a segment about caucuses. All i saw were clueless kids excited about the whole thing, acting as if it was all a big game and completely buying the utopia that Bernie is selling.

You might be right that in this instance its because of the particular demographics and it may change in other states.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
24. The Bernie supporters in our precinct, last night, were a mix...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

We had couples with newborns, many middle aged people and many elderly. It was the same for Hillary. The person I was sitting with also commented on the wide span of ages. I expected a large group of college-aged young people, but was surprised.

Although we have a community college, we don't have a large population of university students who live independently of their parents. So, I would expect most of the young people we saw last night sitting in the Bernie section to show up for the general election. Isn't not voting the fear regarding the young Bernie supporters due to being registered at home and not at college?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
11. One more thing I would like to add. Democratic party is losing the white vote.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

We are making up and gaining votes through increase of African Americans, Latinos, and Asian Americans votes. Just look at the two conventions. The Republicans is overwhelmingly white. While, the Democrats is a reflection of America's melting pot. Hillary Clinton truly represents the growing Democratic base. Bernie Sanders is trying to tap into the Reagan coalition.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
14. Because... That's What Happened ???
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016
Why Bernie Sanders Trounced Hillary Clinton Among Young Voters
Voters under 30 broke for Sanders by 70 points.

Zach Carter - HuffPo
02/02/2016 10:24 am ET | Updated 10 hours ago

<snip>

WASHINGTON -- The final tallies in Monday's Iowa caucus showed a very narrow win for Hillary Clinton. But one demographic divide between the two candidates was not even close: Clinton is popular with older people. Millennials love Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

Entrance polls of caucusgoers show Clinton besting Sanders with voters over 45. They also show Sanders crushing Clinton with everyone else, including a 70-point margin among voters under 30. As Sarah Kliff at Vox notes, that's an even bigger slice of the Iowa youth vote than a senator from Illinois named Barack Obama took back in 2008 (he got 57 percent). Sanders also bested Clinton 58 to 37 among voters aged 30 to 44.

Today's Democratic Party isn't the same coalition that gave Bill Clinton the presidency in the 1990s. While Democrats at the time savored his electoral strength, the major elements of his governing legacy -- welfare reform, Wall Street deregulation and tough-on-crime criminal justice policies -- were Republican priorities.

Clinton supporters have long insisted that such "triangulation" with the GOP was essential to the Democratic Party remaining relevant in the post-Reagan era. But the financial crisis of 2008 and the Great Recession changed the political playing field. Today's Democratic base is far more skeptical of corporate power than the party of the 1990s was. A bipartisan consensus has emerged that Bill's GOP-backed crime bill fueled mass incarceration. Even conservative boosters of his welfare reform have acknowledged that it fails during the recessions, hurting the poor.

For older voters, the partisan fights of the 1980s and 1990s were formative political experiences. They see Hillary Clinton and the broader Democratic Party establishment as figures who survived relentless Republican attacks (which they did). But Sanders' massive 84 to 14 margin over Clinton among voters under 30 shows that the party's future is eager to break with its past. This is a wing of the party that wanted to see Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) run for president on an anti-Wall Street platform, which Sanders has adopted. It's a wing of the party that is uneasy with a candidate who served on Walmart's board of directors and made millions of dollars giving speeches to Wall Street, even after her family had amassed a nine-figure fortune.

It is, in short, the wing of the party whose worldview was shaped more by the banking crash than the Reagan era -- a generation angry about income inequality which does not trust the generation that created the problem to fix it.

<snip>

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus_us_56b0bf13e4b0a1b96203a505


MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Yep. That piece is missing from every ostensible 'breakdown' of the vote I've seen.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:48 AM
Feb 2016

I noticed it too--it's like the media expects the "young people" to vote as a massive borg because they say so.

It's really a lightweight analysis.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Facts are hard.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

And unpalatable it seems.

Now they're doing damage control by making up things to fit the narrative, like only "white" millennials voted for him - except there's no evidence of that. But they continue to SPIN SPIN SPIN!!!



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. Yup, everyone needs a hobby I guess.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:11 AM
Feb 2016

Be careful, there's always a lot of alerts in his threads too.

Funny that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. And why should we believe that?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

I don't trust people who link to right wing websites, fool me once and all that.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
38. Er, we're talking about Ds in Iowa, not the whole state that includes Rs
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:08 AM
Feb 2016

43% of D Iowans self-identify as socialists. That's an incredibly high number for any state.

If that's not liberal, what is?

Your rolling on the ground laughing boy is laughing at you.

Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Original post)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. And atheist, they started using that as a slur last week.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:21 AM
Feb 2016

Note to jury: do not believe the alerter, by "they" I mean people in general, not the op, if you do a search you'll see that people did indeed call Bernie an atheist. This is not a personal attack or an accusation. Thank you for serving.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
37. jury results
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:45 AM
Feb 2016

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

He is either calling Bernie a racist or the OP a racist. Either way this is a personal attack.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:42 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Inappropriate personal attack.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Since the poster didn't think to use the sarcasm tag, allow me to explain: It is a dig on the OP, who's doing a lot of spinning about Sanders' popularity with millennials, by making a sarcastic reference to Sanders' detractors trying to claim he's racist. It becomes pretty clear when you read the rest of the thread.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Or the poster thinks Romney is a racist. You can ask the poster to clarify.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
32. LOL. Clinton is Blockbuster. Sanders is Netflix.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:29 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders trounces Clinton among engaged young voters no matter what demographic you poll!

It was over 80% to 20% in Iowa, and it is over 90% to 10% in New Hampshire!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
34. I'm old fashioned I guess....I prefer to think that we're all in this together
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

I also think that trying to atomize the nation by demographics such as AAs, Whites, Latinois, Old, Young, Male, Female, Bloindes, Redheads etc. is counterproductive to the common interests we all share.

Sure different groups have their own set of issues, priorities, identities etc. We have to recognize and deal with racism, unequal justuice, immigration and all those concerns.

But how about trying to unify to protect and advance the interests of the majority of the population who are not millionaires, rather than separating by tribal and demographic divisions? Otherwise we're just playing into the hands of those who don't have the interests of any of us as a priority.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
35. "A small segment of young white liberals might prefer Senator Sanders"--that might be an
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:33 AM
Feb 2016

understatement, right there. That aside, without a comprehensive age/race breakdown, we don't really know how much of Bernie's or Hillary's support came from young millennials of color. Do you have that info?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
36. Also, there are paradoxes in this whole demograopic breakdown shit
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:41 AM
Feb 2016

Okay let's say there is a 30 year old black lesbian on a limited income. Which demographic is she? Woman? AA? Millennial? Somewhere the demographic categories she gets lumped in with are contradictory as to who she is expected to be supporting or what issues are her priorities. Is she exactly the same as a white straight wealthy soccer Mom, because they are both women?

Likewise, a straight, male who is of mixed race and is 45 and makes $300,000 a year. Is this an AA? White? Old? Young? Is he the same as an AA single mother living on $15,000 a year?

It gets fucking ridiculous.


 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
39. Why is that any concern of yours, really?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:32 AM
Feb 2016

No one is being denied a "chance to vote", that I can see. And, as far as I can tell, people support candidates because of issues, not who else they think will be voting for them. I doubt anyone here at DU is supporting Bernie because of some demographic breakdown.

Would like to mention that counting on demographics might bite some campaign in the ass, anyway - if Rubio is the GOP nominee, perhaps, when given the choice between a real Latino and one who just talks about Latinos, voters will choose the real Latino.

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