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uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:44 PM Feb 2016

Funny

How it seems that the very people that Sanders is running his revolution for ....are ...running AWAY from his message.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/02/iowas-small-number-of-nonwhite-voters-underscores-a-big-problem-for-sanders/

Poor
Blacks
Gays
Hispanics
Women
Cute Puppies*...

are tilted towards Hillary... even in the state were Sanders had more than enough time and resources for these folk to "hear his message"

Could it be...

That Sanders .......marginalization....... of Hillary's leftest bonafides relates her more to the marginaLIZED than to the well off and affluent?

Your take?

tia

*To my knowledge cute puppies aren't allowed to vote in primary elections, but they're still cute .... soooooo

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Funny (Original Post) uponit7771 Feb 2016 OP
Not in NH. bunnies Feb 2016 #1
Sanders numbers among PoC better in NH? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #4
Sanders is winning every demographic in nh. bunnies Feb 2016 #28
But but but that can't be true!!!! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #32
I know. I know. bunnies Feb 2016 #37
Indeed, they must not need your votes if she wins the nomination. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44
And the message has been received. bunnies Feb 2016 #49
Wow! She must think you guys are stupid. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #58
How is asking for racial demo data shaming someone because of where they live?!! tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #55
Its not, the link that was posted shows no RACIAL demographics in it. I'm still waiting for a quote uponit7771 Feb 2016 #45
Sounds like a mantra, are you meditating? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #48
A little, still waiting on the racial demo break down uponit7771 Feb 2016 #53
In true DU these days fashion ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #66
I read that poll, there's no racial demographic break out in it. If there is could you quote it ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #35
How in the world could Hillary Clinton be marginalized? bunnies Feb 2016 #42
By claiming her 50+ years of working for the lefts doesn't mean shit, pretty much a good portion uponit7771 Feb 2016 #47
LOL ... DU these days. That was the first thing I noticed; but then, ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #67
People have an affinity with Sanders that I can't grasp, there's a very deep emotional uponit7771 Feb 2016 #70
LOL ... Go to the underlying poll, then to the methodology ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #65
My take: word salad. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #2
Maybe that's what PoC in IA heard from Sanders, beat by 25 is bad.... SC wont be any better uponit7771 Feb 2016 #6
More word salad. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #8
Word Salad isn't what Sanders gave PoC in IA, he gave them his agenda for weeks on end and still uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19
I still don't know who you're trying to convince. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #22
I'm trying to convince people to answer a fair question that was posted in the OP, your take? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #29
Hey look, Bezos does not want Bernie to win. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #3
What are "Bezos"?!?!!? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #24
A libertarian who owns the WaPo. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #27
I'm not a libertarian, regards uponit7771 Feb 2016 #30
?? PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #33
I don't know what your reply had anything to do with the question asked in the OP either. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #39
I will let you think on it PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #43
Bezos is falsifying the polling numbers? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #68
Unrec. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #5
Did you leave anything out in that string of innuendo? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #7
No, not at all... care to answer the rational question? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10
you had a rational question? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #11
The question mark in the OP means there was a question being asked. I remind republicans of uponit7771 Feb 2016 #13
Operative word was rational. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #15
Garbled hot mess. One really shouldn't need an editor cali Feb 2016 #9
Garbled Hot Mess is what PoC heard from Sanders in IA, the state he's spent tons of time in... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #12
So you have taken it on yourself to be the spokesperson for all cali Feb 2016 #18
No... no cali, again ... I linked a poll... just stating the facts... Care to answer the question... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #23
It's great that Bernie fans are ignoring these facts. If Bernie follows their lead, this should be DanTex Feb 2016 #14
+1, ... also, is it me or is it that some peoples reading comprehension abilities gets real low when uponit7771 Feb 2016 #16
Bernie's issues with minority voters sure brings out the reading difficulties. DanTex Feb 2016 #20
LOL! Empowerer Feb 2016 #25
I didn't have any trouble understanding your OP and understand exactly what you're saying Number23 Feb 2016 #34
Thx 23, its the same folk who lose their ability to understand a simple position or answer... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #54
Well, I think all of the "black people LURV Bernie" posts littering this forum may have them a bit Number23 Feb 2016 #56
+1, on that... please do!!! The PA bullshit will be flung at us left and right past super Tuesday... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #61
Or, just trying really hard not to say they don't care that is happening ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #69
How clever multiple baiting technique SwampG8r Feb 2016 #17
What's more clever is the avoidance of answering a fair question, Sanders fans have ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
THIS pinebox Feb 2016 #26
... is not the question asked in the OP... it has nothing to do with the question asked in the OP uponit7771 Feb 2016 #31
It's from the article comments pinebox Feb 2016 #36
That's a post on the article page, that's not in the article... care to asnswer the question? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #41
That is actually a reply in the comments to the article you linked to pinebox Feb 2016 #50
How does this have anything to do with why the marginalized are more for Hillary than Sanders? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #52
Your entire premise is bull shit. Fearless Feb 2016 #38
The polls are my premise along with Sanders words about Clintons lefts bonafides... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #40
Could you name a few of "Hillary's leftest(sic) bonafides"? elias49 Feb 2016 #46
her LEGISLATIVE position on guns.... :smirk:, but you already know what that is uponit7771 Feb 2016 #51
You mean this year or when she smeared Obama and pandered to gun nuts in 2008? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #57
LEGISLATIVE POSITION... it means her votes ... and just like Sanders one or two votes in uponit7771 Feb 2016 #59
Good fact filled article; however, ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #60
Thx, my rational mind missed that seeing Sanders has spent... what?! 3 months in IA and got beat by uponit7771 Feb 2016 #63
That is my recollection as well in 08 gwheezie Feb 2016 #77
Absolutely ... And I was one of them! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #79
Bernie's good pal, Cornel West, has a history of dissing Obama, oasis Feb 2016 #78
How strange that "women" are included in this list BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #62
Have any of the Sanders fans read a demographic poll lately? The two groups of people that Sanders uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64
Rich white males. You sure about that? BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #71
No, they're rich... Sanders isn't going to tax their income by 20% uponit7771 Feb 2016 #73
You forgot the linkie... BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #75
I am not a diehard supporter of anyone, but I tend not to believe the MSM and polls these days... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #72
Didn't rMoney have similar sentiment in 12? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #74
SOTD! Ron Green Feb 2016 #76

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. But but but that can't be true!!!!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't fit the narrative! I read on DU that PoC won't vote for him! In post after post after post ... It's like listening to Baghdad Bob.


 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
37. I know. I know.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

Even women prefer Bernie. Nh must be discounted at all costs. It touches Vt! White people! Very liberal?! Lol

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. Indeed, they must not need your votes if she wins the nomination.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

They're doing everything they can to marginalize and shame you.

Post after post slamming people because of where they live.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
49. And the message has been received.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

Today I got a Hillary mailer. Anti-gun. Scolding Bernie for voting for bills her husband signed. NH is BERNIN!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
58. Wow! She must think you guys are stupid.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

The way she flip flopped on guns would make a weathervane dizzy.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
45. Its not, the link that was posted shows no RACIAL demographics in it. I'm still waiting for a quote
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

... on them... I could be wrong... its happened once before

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
35. I read that poll, there's no racial demographic break out in it. If there is could you quote it ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:32 PM
Feb 2016

... please?

The question about IA still stands... why are these groups relating more to Hillary? Could it be she's being marginalized too?

regards

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
47. By claiming her 50+ years of working for the lefts doesn't mean shit, pretty much a good portion
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

... of Sanders message to dem voters

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
67. LOL ... DU these days. That was the first thing I noticed; but then, ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

given the claim, in the context of the your OP topic, I actually read the poll.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
70. People have an affinity with Sanders that I can't grasp, there's a very deep emotional
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

... connection with him that allows this kind of confirmation bias or the opposite of it (forgot what the actual phrase) ...

The gnashing of teeth will be well announced after super Tuesday... I think I'll just peek in here to see the carnage ..

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
65. LOL ... Go to the underlying poll, then to the methodology ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

what is missing? That's right reporting on race demographics.

And, it's pretty ironic, given the topic of your OP.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
19. Word Salad isn't what Sanders gave PoC in IA, he gave them his agenda for weeks on end and still
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

... got beat by 25 points.

Why is that?

tia

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. I still don't know who you're trying to convince.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:14 PM
Feb 2016

But I'll give you a gold star for your efforts to push the meme of the day.


 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
27. A libertarian who owns the WaPo.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

Libertarian, i.e. 3rd way Democrat.

http://www.alternet.org/media/what-will-washington-post-be-under-jeff-bezos

What are those views? Like so many tech billionaires, Bezos has been attracted to right-libertarian politics—meaning socially liberal, but in favor of business and privatization.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
13. The question mark in the OP means there was a question being asked. I remind republicans of
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

... this often.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
12. Garbled Hot Mess is what PoC heard from Sanders in IA, the state he's spent tons of time in...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

... and proved Hillary's point

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. So you have taken it on yourself to be the spokesperson for all
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

PoC. How magnanimous of you.


Your claim is a reeking pile.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
23. No... no cali, again ... I linked a poll... just stating the facts... Care to answer the question...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

... that was asked in the OP or are you going to dodge it too?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. It's great that Bernie fans are ignoring these facts. If Bernie follows their lead, this should be
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

over quickly, and we can move on to the real task, which is making sure Hillary beats the GOP.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
16. +1, ... also, is it me or is it that some peoples reading comprehension abilities gets real low when
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

... queried about Sanders issues with PoC?

Some folk are a trip

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
20. Bernie's issues with minority voters sure brings out the reading difficulties.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

It's almost as bad as when you ask them to compare two numbers and tell you which one is bigger.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
34. I didn't have any trouble understanding your OP and understand exactly what you're saying
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:32 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps people that are feigning to not understand your point are just covering for the fact that they genuinely and CLEARLY don't understand why what you pointed out is happening.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
54. Thx 23, its the same folk who lose their ability to understand a simple position or answer...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

... simple question.

I don't think they understand it either... that post about PoC votes in IA kind of sets Sanders "they don't know me" excuse back on its heals seeing he's been there for weeks with his message.

Hillary won big time in IA...

That little nugget of information is golden... I don't see Sanders making it past SC

Number23

(24,544 posts)
56. Well, I think all of the "black people LURV Bernie" posts littering this forum may have them a bit
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

distracted too.

It's a real battle today between the passive aggressive hostility at black folks (endless spam of "AA's love Bernie" posts from people that aren't even AA) or the straight up aggressive hostility at black folks (we are Low Information Voters for not loving Sanders) and I don't know about you but I'm bookmarking right and left when the inevitable "no one has ever blamed black people for Sanders' situation" posts come to pass. And you know that they're coming.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
61. +1, on that... please do!!! The PA bullshit will be flung at us left and right past super Tuesday...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

... I was giving Sanders a chance until I saw those IA numbers.

Something in me wants HRC to put an add up showing West and Biggas nasty ass'd words against Obama, along with Sanders own words, in SC...

That would send a better message to the DNC than Sanders "revolution" ever would... fuck with Obama and become a Bern Victim

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
69. Or, just trying really hard not to say they don't care that is happening ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

they are hoping that the trump crowd and republicans that are in their sight will make up the difference.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
21. What's more clever is the avoidance of answering a fair question, Sanders fans have ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:13 PM
Feb 2016

... found multiple ways to get around proffering why some people don't want to be "bern" victims

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
31. ... is not the question asked in the OP... it has nothing to do with the question asked in the OP
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

... and it looks like Sanders fans are whistling past grave yards no?

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
50. That is actually a reply in the comments to the article you linked to
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

You want me to answer your question?
Sure.
Bezos who owns WaPo should pay his damn taxes! http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/12/11/amazon-facing-1-5-billion-income-tax-bill-jeff-bezos-too-busy-to-testify/#24f1cf33508b

The rich have had their way for a VERY long time and they are scared shitless of Bernie because he's the real deal and they know it. Think of Romney and the Cayman's.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
40. The polls are my premise along with Sanders words about Clintons lefts bonafides...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

... I proffer them to a baseless claim.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
46. Could you name a few of "Hillary's leftest(sic) bonafides"?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

Then maybe people could give you their take on your theory about Bernie and minorities.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. You mean this year or when she smeared Obama and pandered to gun nuts in 2008?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016
Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747


Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008

But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/




Clinton's Hunting History

WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.

"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/



Let states & cities determine local gun laws

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm





uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
59. LEGISLATIVE POSITION... it means her votes ... and just like Sanders one or two votes in
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

... support of gun control don't tell the big picture neither does HRC's rhetoric in 08 tell hers

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
60. Good fact filled article; however, ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016
A big part of the reason that African American voters abandoned Clinton for Obama was his upset victory eight years ago in Iowa, which proved that a significant percentage of white voters would vote for a black presidential candidate. Political scientists like Miringoff don’t see black voters similarly flocking to Sanders, who, despite his strong showing in Iowa and expected victory next week in New Hampshire, has far less name recognition among black voters and doesn't represent the racial pride and progress that Obama's candidacy did.


Wrong lesson! Repeat after me ... WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE WE BELIEVE CAN'T/WON'T WIN THE G.E. Black folks have been saying so, ever since they/we shifted to Candidate Obama, and we are saying so now!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
63. Thx, my rational mind missed that seeing Sanders has spent... what?! 3 months in IA and got beat by
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

... 25% with PoC which could be higher if that was broken down.

The "they don't know him" shit has got to stop...we know him already...

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
77. That is my recollection as well in 08
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

Almost every one of my friends initially supporter Hillary in 08 until Obama convinced them he could win.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
79. Absolutely ... And I was one of them! ...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:31 AM
Feb 2016

I recall, many a conversation, where the discussion was, "Yeah, he is focused, dynamic, charismatic, and I like what he is saying; but, what good is any of that if he can't/won't get elected?"

With his victory in Iowa, I, and others, became convinced that he could attract, and secure, the white vote, beyond the liberal elite.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
62. How strange that "women" are included in this list
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

I know a lot of women who are voting for him (including me and my 80 year old friend Marge). I think it is wishful thinking on the part of TPTB that all of us of the female persuasion will be voting for Clinton. That ain't necessarily so. Jeff Bezos doesn't speak for me.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
64. Have any of the Sanders fans read a demographic poll lately? The two groups of people that Sanders
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

... is doing really well with are students and rich white males...

Outside of that he's in the dumps...

Here's the latest poll with women... not an anecdotal, but valid, example

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/hillary-clinton/


The predictable demographic divides present themselves in these Iowa numbers. Clinton is up 54/37 with women, but trails 44/40 with men. Sanders leads 52/37 with voters under 30 and 49/36 with voters between 30 and 45, but more than makes up for that with a 65/24 advantage among seniors.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
71. Rich white males. You sure about that?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

The ones that he's supposedly going to raise taxes on? Why would they favor Bernie?
And I looked at the poll you posted. He might be a few points off with women, but he's by no means "in the dumps."
I really think you're totally making up the rich white men...

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
73. No, they're rich... Sanders isn't going to tax their income by 20%
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

Here's a link on the more affluent voters

Bernie Sanders' coalition once looked very familiar: He had strong support among well-educated and affluent liberal white voters of the sort who backed Barack Obama, Bill Bradley and Jerry Brown. He struggled among less affluent voters.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
72. I am not a diehard supporter of anyone, but I tend not to believe the MSM and polls these days...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

more than ever.

My neighborhood is papered in either Bernie or Rand Paul signs. My neighborhood is a diverse makeup of black, caucasian, asian, hispanic and Muslim. It's not following what the media is telling me it's doing.

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