2016 Postmortem
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How it seems that the very people that Sanders is running his revolution for ....are ...running AWAY from his message.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/02/iowas-small-number-of-nonwhite-voters-underscores-a-big-problem-for-sanders/
Poor
Blacks
Gays
Hispanics
Women
Cute Puppies*...
are tilted towards Hillary... even in the state were Sanders had more than enough time and resources for these folk to "hear his message"
Could it be...
That Sanders .......marginalization....... of Hillary's leftest bonafides relates her more to the marginaLIZED than to the well off and affluent?
Your take?
tia
*To my knowledge cute puppies aren't allowed to vote in primary elections, but they're still cute .... soooooo
bunnies
(15,859 posts)But I already know, we don't count.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It doesn't fit the narrative! I read on DU that PoC won't vote for him! In post after post after post ... It's like listening to Baghdad Bob.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Even women prefer Bernie. Nh must be discounted at all costs. It touches Vt! White people! Very liberal?! Lol
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're doing everything they can to marginalize and shame you.
Post after post slamming people because of where they live.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Today I got a Hillary mailer. Anti-gun. Scolding Bernie for voting for bills her husband signed. NH is BERNIN!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The way she flip flopped on guns would make a weathervane dizzy.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... on them... I could be wrong... its happened once before
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)another commenter that read the headline; but, not the poll.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... please?
The question about IA still stands... why are these groups relating more to Hillary? Could it be she's being marginalized too?
regards
bunnies
(15,859 posts)At this point, that's absurd.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... of Sanders message to dem voters
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)given the claim, in the context of the your OP topic, I actually read the poll.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... connection with him that allows this kind of confirmation bias or the opposite of it (forgot what the actual phrase) ...
The gnashing of teeth will be well announced after super Tuesday... I think I'll just peek in here to see the carnage ..
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)what is missing? That's right reporting on race demographics.
And, it's pretty ironic, given the topic of your OP.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Who are you trying to convince and what are you trying to convince them of?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... got beat by 25 points.
Why is that?
tia
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But I'll give you a gold star for your efforts to push the meme of the day.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)OMG!! Shocker.
Trash thread.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Libertarian, i.e. 3rd way Democrat.
What are those views? Like so many tech billionaires, Bezos has been attracted to right-libertarian politicsmeaning socially liberal, but in favor of business and privatization.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Ok. Not sure where that came from. Maybe
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)maybe it will come to you.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Maybe "I have here in my hand..."
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... this often.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)for post on DU.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and proved Hillary's point
cali
(114,904 posts)PoC. How magnanimous of you.
Your claim is a reeking pile.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... that was asked in the OP or are you going to dodge it too?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)over quickly, and we can move on to the real task, which is making sure Hillary beats the GOP.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... queried about Sanders issues with PoC?
Some folk are a trip
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's almost as bad as when you ask them to compare two numbers and tell you which one is bigger.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Perhaps people that are feigning to not understand your point are just covering for the fact that they genuinely and CLEARLY don't understand why what you pointed out is happening.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... simple question.
I don't think they understand it either... that post about PoC votes in IA kind of sets Sanders "they don't know me" excuse back on its heals seeing he's been there for weeks with his message.
Hillary won big time in IA...
That little nugget of information is golden... I don't see Sanders making it past SC
Number23
(24,544 posts)distracted too.
It's a real battle today between the passive aggressive hostility at black folks (endless spam of "AA's love Bernie" posts from people that aren't even AA) or the straight up aggressive hostility at black folks (we are Low Information Voters for not loving Sanders) and I don't know about you but I'm bookmarking right and left when the inevitable "no one has ever blamed black people for Sanders' situation" posts come to pass. And you know that they're coming.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... I was giving Sanders a chance until I saw those IA numbers.
Something in me wants HRC to put an add up showing West and Biggas nasty ass'd words against Obama, along with Sanders own words, in SC...
That would send a better message to the DNC than Sanders "revolution" ever would... fuck with Obama and become a Bern Victim
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)they are hoping that the trump crowd and republicans that are in their sight will make up the difference.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Its new
Like just dumping chum
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... found multiple ways to get around proffering why some people don't want to be "bern" victims
pinebox
(5,761 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and it looks like Sanders fans are whistling past grave yards no?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)so yes it does
I WIN!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)You want me to answer your question?
Sure.
Bezos who owns WaPo should pay his damn taxes! http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/12/11/amazon-facing-1-5-billion-income-tax-bill-jeff-bezos-too-busy-to-testify/#24f1cf33508b
The rich have had their way for a VERY long time and they are scared shitless of Bernie because he's the real deal and they know it. Think of Romney and the Cayman's.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... I proffer them to a baseless claim.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Then maybe people could give you their take on your theory about Bernie and minorities.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).
"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747
But Clinton hasnt always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husbands record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights and the effort to reduce crime.
You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl, Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter, she continued, in a dig at Obamas remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often cling to cultural symbols like guns and religion.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/
WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.
"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/
Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?
A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case youre referring to is before the Supreme Court.
Q: But what do you support?
A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.
Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?
A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.
Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?
A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that theyre going to try to impose, I think doesnt make sense.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... support of gun control don't tell the big picture neither does HRC's rhetoric in 08 tell hers
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Wrong lesson! Repeat after me ... WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE WE BELIEVE CAN'T/WON'T WIN THE G.E. Black folks have been saying so, ever since they/we shifted to Candidate Obama, and we are saying so now!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... 25% with PoC which could be higher if that was broken down.
The "they don't know him" shit has got to stop...we know him already...
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Almost every one of my friends initially supporter Hillary in 08 until Obama convinced them he could win.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I recall, many a conversation, where the discussion was, "Yeah, he is focused, dynamic, charismatic, and I like what he is saying; but, what good is any of that if he can't/won't get elected?"
With his victory in Iowa, I, and others, became convinced that he could attract, and secure, the white vote, beyond the liberal elite.
oasis
(49,389 posts)which is not helpful.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)I know a lot of women who are voting for him (including me and my 80 year old friend Marge). I think it is wishful thinking on the part of TPTB that all of us of the female persuasion will be voting for Clinton. That ain't necessarily so. Jeff Bezos doesn't speak for me.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... is doing really well with are students and rich white males...
Outside of that he's in the dumps...
Here's the latest poll with women... not an anecdotal, but valid, example
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/hillary-clinton/
The predictable demographic divides present themselves in these Iowa numbers. Clinton is up 54/37 with women, but trails 44/40 with men. Sanders leads 52/37 with voters under 30 and 49/36 with voters between 30 and 45, but more than makes up for that with a 65/24 advantage among seniors.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)The ones that he's supposedly going to raise taxes on? Why would they favor Bernie?
And I looked at the poll you posted. He might be a few points off with women, but he's by no means "in the dumps."
I really think you're totally making up the rich white men...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Here's a link on the more affluent voters
Bernie Sanders' coalition once looked very familiar: He had strong support among well-educated and affluent liberal white voters of the sort who backed Barack Obama, Bill Bradley and Jerry Brown. He struggled among less affluent voters.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)more than ever.
My neighborhood is papered in either Bernie or Rand Paul signs. My neighborhood is a diverse makeup of black, caucasian, asian, hispanic and Muslim. It's not following what the media is telling me it's doing.