2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIowa State Democratic spokesman: Bernie won coin flips, too.
But before we go nuts about coin flips -- which involved county delegates, not state delegates - let's pay more attention to the whole messy system and how all the delegates are assigned.
Bottom line: a single delegate can represent widely varying numbers of voters, depending on the precinct. A primary system does a much better job of representing the votes of individual voters than a caucus system.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/
The Democratic caucuses in Iowa on Monday were so close that more than a dozen delegates were awarded based on coin flips.
How many is not exactly clearthe state party doesnt track all the games of chance that occur as part of the complex process for divvying up delegates at hundreds of caucus sites across the state. But despite initial reports that Hillary Clinton had improbably run the table, it appears that Bernie Sanders won a sizable share of coin tosses as well, according to information provided on Tuesday by the state Democratic Party.
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Games of chance have been included in the Democratic caucus rules forever, said Norm Sterzenbach, a former executive director of the state part who oversaw the nominating contests in 2008 and 2012. It happens, but its not frequent, he said in an interview on Tuesday afternoon. They usually occur when calculations for electing delegates to the county convention result in an extra delegate that cant be assigned to one candidate by rounding. The county delegates are distinct from the state delegation equivalents, which is what the party uses to determine how many delegates each candidates secures for the national convention in Philadelphia. Clinton finished with 700.59 state delegate equivalents to 696.82 for Sanders, yet because county delegates are worth a tiny fraction of the state delegates, Sterzenbach said he could say with absolute certainty that the coin flips did not determine the outcome in Iowa.
The early reports out of caucus sites gave a different impression. The Des Moines Register collected reports from six different precincts that resorted to coin flipsand Clinton won all of them. But Sam Lau, a spokesman for the Iowa Democratic Party, said that Sanders fared better in the games of chance that were reported through the partys official mobile app. He won six of those seven coin flipsa fact that underlines how incomplete the available data remains, and the likelihood that a full accounting of all the coin flips on Monday night would yield a more even result than initial reports suggested.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....the fact that it comes down to a coin toss seems wonky. At the very least it should have been Rock, Paper, or Scissors.
Seriously, it's wonky.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)But seriously, I have no problem with coin tosses. There's a long tradition of using them when there is a deadlock.
Let the fates decide!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...why they didn't split the ties.
It's a mystery....
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Sloppy bookkeeping.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)the more i wish the party would stop it.
It really has no place in a society where choosing the wrong leader because of a fucked up system has so many bad consequences
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I saw Marco Rubio getting a laugh from it on CNN this afternoon. Gee thanks Bern.