2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho are Republicans more likely to cooperate with? Bernie or Hillary? Discuss...
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)... And eradicate public education, then the GOP would be GLAD to 'co-operate' ...
ANY democrat who did so would be hounded out of office ...
So, what's your point? ... Work with republicans to annihilate the Middle class?
Screw that ... And screw anybody who advises it. ..
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)To them the White House is their property, whomever has a D next to their name and sits in that office will forever be seen by them as an fraud super mega ultra-Stalin/Commie/Satanic/Secret Muslim/Femnazi/Ultra-death-bot!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)"Big gubmint socialism".
Fearless
(18,421 posts)JaneyVee
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elleng
(130,967 posts)THIS candidate has DONE cooperation, but tptb didn't want that.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)I think the GOP traditionalists will work with either, equally.
I think the Teaparty will refuse to work either, equally.
Let's face it, if they thought Obama was a radical leftist...
Bernie will make their heads spin, and the only reason they need to hate Hillary is she is a woman.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)based on recent behavior, the Republicans will not cooperate with either Bernie or Hillary... which is why our primary focus should be on electing Democrats everywhere in all offices... not just the Presidential race
and we all must vote in EVERY election, not just every 4 years
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I have no interest in a president who will cooperate with the current republican party
Fearless
(18,421 posts)And what are the pros and cons of that common ground?
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
I don't think Hillary has anything legislatively comparable
JudyM
(29,251 posts)everyone else... Considering that's how Frank acts most of the time.
Pot...kettle...
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)Those dirtballs think it's horrible if you agree with a Dem. on anything. And YES, they would think of Bernie as a Dem.
IF those in Congress realize that their voters HATE the way they are doing business and that's why Trump is so successful because they HATE the establishment, they just might change their tactics. They COULD work better with Bernie because he was a Senator until he was elected to the presidency, OR they could work better with Hillary because she is more of a fighter.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Bernie will turn to the people and ask them to demand the Republicans cooperate.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Repubs don't want to cooperate with any DEM prez.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Between the two, pick one.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)The woman they hate with a burning, visceral, passionate hatred. They LOATHE HER.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
840high
(17,196 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)they will cooperate more with her. She's closer to them ideologically and she's pragmatic. But it will be a nasty election with a lot of character attacks if she is the nominee and there will be wounds to heal.
If Bernie is the nominee they'll attack him as a "socialist," but not personally.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... congress.
At the center of Sanders revolution is the pixie dust politics of the people influencing this GOP gerrymandered congress...
They gop haven't in the last 4 years with weaker numbers, they wont in the next 6 years with even stronger numbers
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Why is the Republican party more likely going to be able to work with Hillary than Bernie, as per your previous statement suggesting that?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... I'll wait.
.. and no, Hillary isn't outlining a plan to work with the GOP congress she has already said she'd work around them and Sanders will soon follow her lead
Reality doesn't suck
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I did not ask which candidate was more likely to work with the GOP.
There is a big difference there.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... asking this question as a SBS supporter establish's what i've said about his campaign.. its good marketing.
You should already know that this congress will do nothing they don't want to do for the American people.. they haven't because they're gerrymandered.
They can LITERALLY burn down a pediatrics oncology ward on prime time TV painted with Joker Face and STILL be voted back into their seats because the way the districts were digitally gerrymandered...
There's only one other time in US history that congress has been this much gerrymandered and Sanders knows this...
But he's chided others for compromising ...
I'm not compromising my stance against pixie dust politics
Fearless
(18,421 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... can be dealt with at all while their track record shows they'll spend 24 billion dollars in shutting down the government
Vs outlining how he can go around them and marginalize them to nothingness...
If Sanders were willing to admit that he and others in the past, including Obama, have had to scrape and scratch and claw and compromise with what they've had because they have had a lot .... then it being easier to support his agenda.
But no..
His agenda depends on people not knowing any of these and just being bad at "the establishment"...
Hell, if he said he'd put their ass's in jail I'd be all in...
That'd be revolution and something Americans can support
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)But rather than earning the frustration and ire of his peers in the vein of other Senate hard-liners such as Sen. Ted Cruz, Sanders has managed to be respected even liked by much of the chamber, according to members on both sides of the aisle. The Vermont independent actually has much more in common with Sen. Tom Coburn, the now-retired Dr. No, whose hard-line opposition killed many bills in the Senate but also earned him the respect of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle.
Sanders also has been able to work well with his colleagues. Hes passed bipartisan legislation and forged strong relationships with members of both parties in nearly 25 years on Capitol Hill. But most of all, members say, even when Sanders is ideologically an outlier, he lets others know where he stands. Hes not the type to suddenly stab a colleague in the back. And thats earned him respect both on and off the Hill.
A lot of people here talk about what they believe in, but they dont act on it, Sen. Mark Warner said. He always acts on what he believes. ¦ We can agree or disagree, but you know where he stands.
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, including Sanders himself, point to last years deal to improve the disastrous, scandal-ridden Veterans Affairs Department as a highlight. After weeks of negotiating with a cadre of Republican colleagues, Sanders helped pass the deal on a 91-3 vote in the Senate. In a pretty dysfunctional Congress I helped pass, in a bipartisan way, the significant veterans bill, which increases health care to veterans and lowers waiting times, and Im proud of that, Sanders said. That was a significant step forward.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/71225/bernie-sanders-is-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)If they think Obama is some left wing commie extremist, they're gonna think the same about either of them. They're complete assholes (the republicans).
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)...you'll have to vote for a Republican.
As for Hillary vs. Bernie, I think Bernie has a slightly larger chance of flipping R seats to D seats, in this and subsequent congressional elections.