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Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:53 PM Feb 2016

Who, as President, will make it better for Main Street?

Most people who think and write about these things agree that a resilient and healthy America must be based upon local economic activity that eschews extraction of value by big, distant companies and instead connects people where they live, work, and play.

Too many cities, towns and neighborhoods, though, are either overcrowded or sprawling (or both), with food deserts, crumbling or missing infrastructure, alienated people behind wrought-iron gates or under iron bridges, or just planted at the computer or TV while the "community" outside slips away.

Since 1950 the suburban development experiment has provided the framework for much of this, and since 1980 "trickle-down" capitalism has gutted the working class cash flow that both built Main Street prosperity and destroyed it with the Big Box plan. All the while various public programs at all levels of government have sought to ameliorate the ill effects of the decline, with mixed success but with an ever-increasing bureaucracy supported by an ever-more-fragile tax base.

So who, as President, is most likely to lead us to a place of solutions for this? (Perhaps I should say "more likely" since this is GD-P, but the case could be made that a Republican for the next four years could bring about the necessary cataclysm to start the overhaul.)

Bernie's trillion-dollar infrastructure plan: does that build connected communities, or is it just more short term make-work? What does Hillary have that's likely to set the tone, and the ball rolling, for building America from the blighted ground up?

First, do you agree that local solutions must come? And then, make the case for your candidate to do something to get the 21st Century started in America.

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Who, as President, will make it better for Main Street? (Original Post) Ron Green Feb 2016 OP
In 2016 the best qualified candidate is Hillary Clinton. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #1
So how does that translate into actions and solutions Ron Green Feb 2016 #5
On the current issues by Sanders are not issues which will get through congress on Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #12
Republicans will work with Clinton?? Fearless Feb 2016 #18
She has the best resume and the worst judgment. cali Feb 2016 #8
+100 Metric System Feb 2016 #9
Thank You! Armstead Feb 2016 #2
Someone who understands how congress works or is willing to be straight up with the obstacles... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #3
Like fighting for single payer cyberswede Feb 2016 #14
She never said single payer... the fact that this statement is being pulled out of context like "you uponit7771 Feb 2016 #15
This is interesting - what are some examples of how Hillary Ron Green Feb 2016 #20
Since the Presidency is the weakest branch of government, the question is meaningless. randome Feb 2016 #4
You're saying it doesn't matter who's elected President Ron Green Feb 2016 #6
+1, one candidate is selling pixie dust politics and the other proffers a way around congress to get uponit7771 Feb 2016 #16
About the same. The big thing is avoiding a GOP president. DanTex Feb 2016 #7
The big box plan is not going so great - TBF Feb 2016 #10
The thing I keep thinking about is how, at the local level, to build Ron Green Feb 2016 #11
Churches hold the locals together - TBF Feb 2016 #13
Bingo! (No joke intended) Ron Green Feb 2016 #17
Hey I live in Texas TBF Feb 2016 #19
My county commissioners at this moment are suing the state Ron Green Feb 2016 #21
That's why it has to be a federal works program. nt TBF Feb 2016 #22

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. On the current issues by Sanders are not issues which will get through congress on
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

medicare for all, he has already introduced a bill in Congress and it did not make it out of committee, as a congressional member part of his position is to get other congressional members to endorse a bill and the necessary support to get the bill passed. The committees are a part of the process before the vote. Placing issues which is proven failures on the candidates agenda will not change anything, no action, no solution.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
2. Thank You!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

This is a major issue that is too much ignored. Everyone gripes about the impact, but it seldom enters the national political sphere.

IMO the culture and values that Bernie come out of is much more supportive of local solutions and community.

Clinton represents Wal Mart homogenous culture and the imposition of the corporate imperitive.

I'm on my cell phone (ahem) and can't type long but it is a subject that should be more discussed

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
3. Someone who understands how congress works or is willing to be straight up with the obstacles...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:00 PM - Edit history (1)

... that the current historically gerrymandered GOP congress will present to any legislation left or right?

Someone who's not going to proffer marketed slogans meant to inspire the few but leave out "the fewer" ... in practice... and then deliver very little other than a "fight"?

Someone who can develop a relationship with people they need to work a vision vs telling these very people that they're their savior via proxies.

Someone who has an imperfect track record of LEADING little revolutions of all sizes vs sitting on the sidelines and throwing rocks and proffering adversity against those in charge?

Just to name a few

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
15. She never said single payer... the fact that this statement is being pulled out of context like "you
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

... didn't build that" is telling no?

tia

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
20. This is interesting - what are some examples of how Hillary
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

(I'm assuming that's your candidate) would bring about local and sustainable economic activities. Would it be about growth, or more about mutual connectedness and support?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Since the Presidency is the weakest branch of government, the question is meaningless.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

Congress wields the power. If the 'revolution' does not recognize that, nothing will change.
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uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
16. +1, one candidate is selling pixie dust politics and the other proffers a way around congress to get
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:01 PM
Feb 2016

... things done

TBF

(32,090 posts)
10. The big box plan is not going so great -
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

as evidenced by Walmart closing 100+ stores this month. As Bernie reminded us last night - we the people bailed out Wall Street and now it's time for payback. The form that takes in a civilized society is taxation. We tax trades, we tax on the income over 120K (or whatever the current cap is on social security - I can't recall the exact amount), we raise capital gains back to taxation at 100% like we did pre-Reagan, the list goes on and on. The very wealthy, especially with inherited wealth, have been getting a free ride. With that funding we can come up with all sorts of public infrastructure programs and it needs to come from the top down. Now, when those funds are distributed as grants and the like than localities will have some say in how they are spent, what is key to fix, etc. but yes I do believe this needs to be centralized with a much more generous federal minimum wage in place and civil rights and gender protections. Can a republican bring about the type of overhaul we need? Absolutely not. Privatizing everything ensures that profit is the only motive. That's what we've tried the past 35 years and frankly it has been a huge disaster for all but the very richest people. And it is even literally killing people - to wit most recently I give you Flint, MI. No, this truly does need to be an overhaul, or a revolution if you will, and we need Bernie Sanders to lead it.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
11. The thing I keep thinking about is how, at the local level, to build
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:23 PM
Feb 2016

a sense of ownership into the regeneration of local economies. Is a higher minimum wage enough? Or is that more detachment from the reality of "place making?"

I don't know the answer to this; I just know what we've done so far hasn't worked.

TBF

(32,090 posts)
13. Churches hold the locals together -
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:52 PM
Feb 2016

by and large. So how much do we involve them, connect with them, or do we completely keep a distance? As an agnostic person myself I appreciate separation of church and state, yet they really are not completely separate given that they are essentially non-profits for tax purposes. But for many people that is where connection is.

ETA - the higher minimum is non-negotiable in my view, but you make good points re connections

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
17. Bingo! (No joke intended)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

Saul Alinsky and the Back of the Yards activities were closely connected with Catholic Bishops and Protestant ministers in Chicago, and of course the Black churches were central to the Civil Rights movement.

It's tricky on DU to talk about the Church; there's lots of antipathy around it. But as a community organizer it's powerful in that it moves more quickly than government and (ideally) without the profit motive of the market.

Pope Francis has brought a new awareness of the Church's role in community building, and I think that's why Bernie Sanders gives him props occasionally.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
21. My county commissioners at this moment are suing the state
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

based on their argument that the state minimum wage initiative is unconstitutional (an unfunded mandate the county "can't afford.&quot They push the usual claim that $13.65, or thereabouts, will inflate everything and cause small businesses to lay off people or close up.

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