2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton supporters, can you answer something for me please?
I've read countless posts today about how Iowa is natural Sanders country, and how Hillary will soar as we move into parts of the country that are less white and less liberal.
Now just a second..
I may be mistaken here, but last time I checked Hillary Rodham Clinton was a white woman. A former First Lady who championed universal healthcare and went on to become a senator for New York. She never hesitates to remind us that she's a 'progressive', and her supporters have lists of liberal sounding things she will do if she's elected.
So please explain to me why exactly this white liberal woman would struggle more in white liberal parts of the country?
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)there are more minority voters who make up the democratic base than just "white liberals"...these are voters need to win the presidency...not just some white college kids
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)That white liberal areas aren't natural fits for her. As a white liberal woman that makes no sense to me.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Of course, things could change, but as of right now it looks like we're seeing some demographic patterns that allow us to predict what's going to happen in future states. The same thing happened in 2008.
Again, it's not set in stone, but that's what's going on according to the available data. Nobody is assuming that African Americans are overwhelmingly supporting Hillary, the polls show it to be true. Same can be said about Bernie and Millennials.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I thought it would be sort of obvious to anyone who has studied political history, but here is your chance to undertake an exciting intellectual adventure.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)But I'd rather give Hillarys supporters the opportunity to explain.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I have better things to do that hold up opinions for you to fling poo at them. Have a nice day.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)wasn't that just in 2014...time flies when your flip flopping.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the issue going forward is that white liberals make up a smaller percentage of the Democratic primary demographic and that by all indications Hillary has overwhelming support among black voters that are critical part of upcoming primaries. Bernie needs to show that he can appeal to enough of that group to overtake Clinton.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)This is about why a supposedly liberal white woman isn't a natural fit for predominantly white liberal parts of the country. There must be a reason for that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)this is not a complicated concept.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Clinton is mainstream liberal. I know that some folks here think you go straight from Sanders-liberal to DINO-conservative, but there are gradations.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and most of America approves of Bernie's policies and stances http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/03/polls-americans-socialists-bernie-sanders.html
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)It's not so much about Hillary and her demographics but Bernie's and who he appeals to.
But think what you will!
madokie
(51,076 posts)might as well just get used to it. He's honest, strong as an ox, clean as a new born and smart as a whip. Plus he's not afraid of the devil let alone the powers to be.
Bernie doesn't have to change his message to fit the demographic he's in all he has to do is continue to be Bernie
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)white liberals....as usual.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)I like Bernie and Hillary equally!
theboss
(10,491 posts)B. Because Hillary is seen as establishment at this point
This is like asking why Ted Cruz did better among Evangelical voters than Mike Huckabee or something.
Everyone has the groups they appeal to.
The real question is whether Bernie's supporters would support Hillary in a general election, and I think the answer to that is overwhelmingly yes. Just like Hillary's supporters overwhelmingly supported Obama in '08.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Iowa is 95% white, the rest of America is not.