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So what is the final outcome of Iowa? (Original Post) grasswire Feb 2016 OP
100% in Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
You jham123 Feb 2016 #3
I've seen them and many of them are old Renew Deal Feb 2016 #5
Precinct 42 hasn't reported and Sanders won there. kristopher Feb 2016 #11
A tie. jeff47 Feb 2016 #2
so why does she think she won? grasswire Feb 2016 #4
Because she got 0.3% more state delegates. jeff47 Feb 2016 #7
clinton supporters angel123 Feb 2016 #10
I saw the video posted on C-SPAN. There was no election fraud. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #6
There's more than one incident. jeff47 Feb 2016 #9
No, they were told by the Clinton camp that it wouldn't affect the outcome. Reality is much less JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #14
The Socialist is still in the running RobertEarl Feb 2016 #8
winning the nomination. angel123 Feb 2016 #12
"Socialist" isn't going to get the "vote against" voters to the polls as much as Hillary will. JudyM Feb 2016 #13
It was a statistical tie. MineralMan Feb 2016 #15

jham123

(278 posts)
3. You
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

You post that is if that is the final end all to the OPs question.

That's what's being reported but we are seeing all sorts of discrepancies and shenanigans popping up all over the place

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. Precinct 42 hasn't reported and Sanders won there.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

Thank you Botany
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141334345

Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won

Source: Des Moines Register

Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood were scrambling to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates.

But the voters of Des Moines precinct No. 42 couldn’t find anyone at Iowa Democratic Party to take their phone calls. The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked.

“It’s important considering how close the race is. We need to be sure everyone has our accurate count,” said Jill Joseph, a rank-and-file Democratic voter who backed Sanders in at No. 42 Monday night.

snip

It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.

Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
2. A tie.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

No, the irregularities are not settled. There are charges of election fraud backed by video. However, they are not enough to significantly change the delegate count. You'll still get basically a tie.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. so why does she think she won?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

??

Seriously, the Sanders camp better recruit a bunch of volunteer lawyers to monitor every state. Clinton and her followers will try to steal this at every turn.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. Because she got 0.3% more state delegates.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

Those delegates will choose who goes to the convention, but 0.3% isn't enough to swing that pool.

angel123

(79 posts)
10. clinton supporters
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

This sounds so much like republicans accusing democrats of election fraud, without proof. Has Hillary ever been accused of election fraud? Republican talking points should have no place on a so called democratic site.

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
6. I saw the video posted on C-SPAN. There was no election fraud.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

3 people walked out. They determined that it wouldn't change the delegate outcome and they voted to accept the results.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. There's more than one incident.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

However, none of them are large enough to significantly move the results. It will still be basically a tie.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
14. No, they were told by the Clinton camp that it wouldn't affect the outcome. Reality is much less
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

certain.

The fact is there was no 2nd Clinton vote. At all. The Clinton precinct chair lied about that. THAT is why people are alleging fraud. because the precinct chair perjured herself.

Of course, it may not have affected things, but we'll never know.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
8. The Socialist is still in the running
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

He may even win the nomination. Bill is bummed and Bernie is quite happy.

angel123

(79 posts)
12. winning the nomination.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

Yes, he could possibly win the nomination to go on to lose the general. Believe me, republicans will bury him with the socialist tag. If is true that some of his young supporters think that socialist mean support of social security, I am worried.

JudyM

(29,274 posts)
13. "Socialist" isn't going to get the "vote against" voters to the polls as much as Hillary will.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

There's powerful negative emotional vitriol about her that fires up the right wing masses.

They might not feel strongly about voting for their candidate, but they sure as hell aren't going to let Hillary become president. They're not so worked up about socialists, the surveys are showing, especially as Bernie will continue to explain that to include social security, Medicare, etc.

Plus Hillary is going to get buried, to use your word, by her scandals, whether they are well founded or not she will be getting continuing negative press.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
15. It was a statistical tie.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton and Sanders will divide up delegates about evenly for the county conventions. There, a smaller group of delegates will be elected for the congressional district conventions. There, an even smaller group will be selected for the state convention, which will elected about 44 delegates for the national convention.

In the end, those national convention delegates will be about the same numbers for both candidates. At the national convention, Iowa's delegates make up about 1% of the entire nation's nominating delegates.

The tiny details in Iowa don't matter all that much, in the end. It was essentially a tie, and that will be reflected in Iowa's delegation to the national convention.

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