Remember those huge, enthusastic crowds at Bernie rallies in Iowa

[CajunBlazer]

Remember how they were supposed to translate into actual votes. Maybe not so much.

[Jarqui]

1. I'll bet Bernie handily beat her in the actual votes cast bt

[tarheelsunc]

23. Given the entrance polling results, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. eom

[redstateblues]

52. Nope. Just saw the total vote count

Hillary won

[Jarqui]

53. How could that be? Is isn't over:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/

They're still trying to get votes/info they didn't get

[Fantastic Anarchist]

2. Remember how he virtually tied Hillary and her massive money machine?

Um, so yeah. What Bernie did was quite impressive. Quit being a sore (barely) winner.

[BlueCaliDem]

5. But-but-but he was supposed to beat her handedly! So...why didn't he?

He LOST. And in one of the States that are most favorable to him, too. Now that's gotta hurt.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

15. So hurt that he was smiling.

I don't think even he was expecting how close he was.

She had to win by six, count 'em, six coin tosses. She's acting like she grabbed every state in the Union, and you and the OP are being sore (barely) winners.

Show some class and represent your candidate better if you don't want to come off as obnoxious and desperate.

[BlueCaliDem]

20. His smile looked...forced. Like he was having a toothache.

Show some class and represent your candidate better if you don't want to come off as obnoxious and desperate.

I will when Berners begin to do the same for their candidate. Haven't seen a single one show the class you believe only Hillary Clinton supporters are obligated to show.

[ElliotCarver]

36. Doesn't Hillary's laugh, smile, bearing, demeanor, everything, always

appear forced? Asking for a friend.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. Nope. I know it's what Republicans would like wishy-washy Americans to believe, but no.

Got anything else?

[ElliotCarver]

42. Has nothing to do with what Repubs would like wishy-washy America to believe

Has much more to do with the spiders crawling up & down my spine every time she speaks

[BlueCaliDem]

44. ...

[ElliotCarver]

46. LOL pretty much a nominal victory for you to be all triumphant about nt

[frylock]

58. There's only one group of people on this board that pays heed to the Republicans.

Near as I can tell, their lives center around what they can or cannot do because of Republicans.

[TwilightGardener]

17. He was? I was told here that the DMR "gold standard" poll and her superior organization

in Iowa assured her clear victory. I mean, she had all the Dem party bigwigs lined up behind her, all the endorsements...are you trying to tell me she was the UNDERDOG???

[BlueCaliDem]

21. Read the posts by your fellow Berners. Clearly, you people were convinced he would win

both Iowa and New Hampshire (high?)handedly. NOT.

And you know what's sad? He should've won Iowa with little trouble, considering the demographics. Both Iowa and New Hampshire, in addition to Vermont, are his to lose. Oh wait! He already lost Iowa!

[TwilightGardener]

25. I was not convinced, ever, that he would win Iowa. Most polls did not

show him ahead. He did extraordinarily well, considering all he appears to have had going in to last night was the enthusiasm you refer to. No other advantages. Hillary fans here were mocking his ground game, in fact.

[jen63]

57. It's the talking point du jour. n/t

[frylock]

59. It's cute that you put more stock into what anonymous posters on a discussion board..

have to say than you do the paid political pundits that have a medium that reaches millions of people every day.

[CajunBlazer]

26. Note: The gold standard poll was right -well within the margine of error.

[TwilightGardener]

41. It was touted here as a positive sign for Clinton. That has to be a letdown.

I think y'all thought this would be over last night. Nope.

[CajunBlazer]

47. A win is a win and a win is always better than a loss

[TwilightGardener]

50. That ignores the bigger picture. Look at the Repub side--

the pundits are acting like Rubio won despite coming in third, and that Trump lost big, and that Ted Cruz's win doesn't matter at all. Nobody is getting sworn into office based on yesterday's count, so the game goes forward, and some will gain momentum just by beating expectations.

[kristopher]

24. HE went from being a 53 point underdog against the "inevitable" HRC

We did well.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. He. Still. LOST. And "tens of thousands" of people at his rallies couldn't save him.

Should he win New Hampshire - and EVERYBODY is predicting he will - and then on to his home State, it's still only TWO States he'll have won despite the hype.

This is GOOD for the Democratic Party. A net positive!

[kristopher]

35. Glad to hear your thoughts.

Keep dancing.

[2pooped2pop]

3. Remember how they laughed at the chances of the socialist?

Hillary and her family were not laughing last night. She pulled ahead on a coin toss.

[CountAllVotes]

6. The toss of a "coin" =

What a load.

[2pooped2pop]

13. Really? Did you see something different from everyone around d the world?

[CajunBlazer]

27. I'm still laughing - Sanders has a chance in three of the next 17 primaries

No matter how you spin it - that's not a good thing.

[peacebird]

30. Toss of 6 coins, all coins went in favor of Hillary. Coin$$$ know their true champion.

For the monied interests and by the monied interests!

[BlueCaliDem]

34. With BERNIE operatives standing by and who DON'T protest the validity of those tosses.

[Flying Phoenix]

4. What are you talking about?

Your candidate wasted 90% of her resources in Iowa, and this is what she got? A TIE!

Not a win, a TIE.

PredictWise couldn't have possibly predicted a friggin TIE.

Now she has to scramble and fundraise, and not have any time to do, you know, ACTUAL campaigning, seeing that Clinton's Super Tuesday firewall states has no staff or canvassers, but Bernie does, and his volunteers has been canvassing for the past 8 weeks or so?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. 22-21 is a tie? nt

[w4rma]

12. Because it's 22-22.

Barring something unforeseen, Iowa’s forty-four delegates to the Democratic National Convention will be equally divided.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-just-changed-the-democratic-party

[Dr Hobbitstein]

16. I don't see 22-22 anywhere.

There's one delegate left that no one has taken yet. Looking at the results on google, it's 22 (HRC) - 21 (SBS).

[w4rma]

22. There is still another precinct to be counted. It doesn't matter who gets it, tho.

It still works out to 22 delegates each.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

28. I thought that last precint (Polk) would put the delegate in Hillary's court?

I will admit, the caucus thing baffles me. I'm still learning here.

[kristopher]

33. There is a discrepancy unless you account for super delegates

Hillary and many news outlets are adding those she had going into the primary together with her total won last night.

[cascadiance]

40. O'Malley's delegates could give Bernie a MAJORITY of delegates at the state convention...

You think that kind of vote switching, etc. won't happen? Look at what happened with the way Santorum actually won later in the vote count over Romney (declared the winner too soon), and in fact later Ron Paul was able to manipulate delegate votes in the state convention a lot more than expected too.

You think it's over after the CLOSEST Iowa Democratic Caucus vote in history? NAH!!!!

[NurseJackie]

7. The mistake was assuming they all preferred Bernie going in ...

... and that the all preferred Bernie coming out of the rallies. Clearly that wasn't the case.

[earthside]

8. Remember all those establishment endorsements for Hillary?

Remember how they were supposed to translate into actual votes?

FAIL!

[morningfog]

10. Huh? You must be reading different results.

The support translated.

[stonecutter357]

11. we just don't know him.

[frylock]

60. Millions of people woke up this morning to the news and are asking..

Bernie who? That should scare the ever-loving shit outta Hillary Supporter, and clearly, it does.

[rhett o rick]

14. Sanders needs to get more than the margin of manipulation. We are working on that.

This was just the first state. We have momentum. With all the Big Money and the Corp-Media to fight against, I consider this a victory. The Oligarchy is running scared.

[Nanjeanne]

18. Remember November polls and Clinton 51 to Sanders 42?

My oh my how the mighty have fallen in less than 3 months.

[cali]

19. Your stand-up act is fabulous, blazer. Pure comedy.gold.

[Gothmog]

29. Where is the massive political revolution?

There was no massive ground changing wave of support as predicted

[ecstatic]

32. Weren't most of the attendees bused in from other states?

[Armstead]

37. No I remember a couple of months ago: "Hillary is 40 points ahead in Iowa. Sanders is toast in Iowa"

[DefenseLawyer]

39. This is what's known as "whistling past the graveyard"

But hey, whatever gets you through the night.

[AgingAmerican]

43. She was ahead by like 60%

What happened?

And then it came down to a coin toss.

[karynnj]

45. As to the results -- watch the Sanders and Clinton speeches - even better with no sound

One looked absolutely overjoyed, the other, though composed and strong, looked somber - as did her husband and daughter. We have all seen a joyous Bill Clinton - many many times - that is not what was seen yesterday.

I have long thought that part of momentum is that no one looks bad when celebrating a good result - their faces are lit up and for many you get their real smiles - not the forced ones. Watching it - if you like the person (even if you prefer someone else), it feels good and you fell some of the happiness.

Not to mention - look at the media and you see many stories that speak of surprise that he did so well - a BIG difference from last week's negativity.

[cyberswede]

48. 90% of the new registrants at my precincts were for Sanders

Getting new people to come vote for Democrats is a good thing.

[Bradical79]

49. They did result in votes

Went from Clinton being the overwhelming favorite to barely squeeking ahead via coin toss. It's a good trajectory to be on, especially when the delegates are given proportionally.

[HassleCat]

51. Or maybe they did.

Most of the polls had Sanders losing by a significant margin, as reported by Clinton supporters repeatedly, over and over, again and again, endlessly, time after time, without pause.

[dana_b]

54. are you kidding?! He was 50 points down a few months ago!!! jeez... n/t

[villager]

55. Oops!

nt

[JPnoodleman]

56. Well money is God in America...

Tis' hard to overcome the power of Moloch here.