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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:36 AM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders's tie should be the biggest story of the Iowa caucuses

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5. As impressive as a third-place finish in Iowa is for Marco Rubio, a tie for Bernie Sanders is a genuinely remarkable political achievement.

6. Imagine telling Bill Clinton in 1992 that 25 years later his wife would be neck-and-neck with an "independent socialist" in the Democratic primary. This wasn't supposed to be possible.

7. In 2008, Barack Obama beat Clinton in Iowa. His campaign was powered by liberal anger over the war in Iraq — anger Clinton was on the wrong side of — as well as real institutional support from the Democratic Party. Sanders had much less to work with in terms of issue differences or Democratic Party fissures, and was facing Clinton in a year she was much stronger.

8. If the caucus results ended in a tie between Sanders and Clinton, then the speeches turned the night into a win for Sanders — he made a detailed, thorough case for his candidacy in a way Clinton simply didn't. His speech felt like Obama's primary-night speeches in 2008. Clinton's felt like, well, Clinton's primary-night speeches in 2008.

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http://www.vox.com/2016/2/2/10892802/iowa-caucus-bernie-sanders-tie

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Bernie Sanders's tie should be the biggest story of the Iowa caucuses (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
Biased bull. But wait, I thought the media was against him? I can't keep up with the excuses. Metric System Feb 2016 #1
+1 stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #14
The tie, helped by some irregularities and six coin tosses, indeed should be the biggest story. merrily Feb 2016 #2
Bookmarked for this. n/t bvf Feb 2016 #5
The video you linked to doesn't show voter fraud... Agschmid Feb 2016 #17
Bernie did amazing. Hillary is in trouble. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #3
I thought the story would be massive rallies doesn't equate to a win Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #4
That is correct. riversedge Feb 2016 #9
The hillarian spin is fascinating! cali Feb 2016 #10
At least the coins spin in our direction! :D Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #15
This "win" will always have an * for me since she "won" by 6 coin tosses Arazi Feb 2016 #6
I think the coin toss method needs to go Kalidurga Feb 2016 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #8
Lol. It was a tie. You have to be nuts to say a separation of cali Feb 2016 #12
Yup-- it's not like this is the Electoral College Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #18
MSNBC is saying she didn't really "win" because it's a tie. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #11
the biggest story is Iowa did not fill the Bern . stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #13
Yes, in that it shows that Sanders is no Obama, and couldn't even win in DanTex Feb 2016 #16
TV is saying that the Democratic Party has NOT called the race yet. panader0 Feb 2016 #19

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
17. The video you linked to doesn't show voter fraud...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

Remember there really weren't even any voters.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
4. I thought the story would be massive rallies doesn't equate to a win
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:51 AM
Feb 2016

After months and months of being told of an enthusiasm gap, we end up with a virtual tie? Months and months of massive rallies and we get a virtual tie?

Gotta find the good where you can, I guess, in trying to change the narrative as best as you can.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. I think the coin toss method needs to go
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

This is not how to nominate a candidate. Yes, I realize Hillary is not nominated by a long shot. But, seriously is that how we want to send delegates for the nomination?

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cali

(114,904 posts)
12. Lol. It was a tie. You have to be nuts to say a separation of
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:25 AM
Feb 2016

less than a half percent is a win. And that's exactly what I'd be saying if it was reversed. And a tie is great for Bernie. He gains a ton of momentum. And money is undoubtedly pouring in.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
11. MSNBC is saying she didn't really "win" because it's a tie.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:25 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton can't really claim a win. She lost by not winning....pure and simple.

BERNIE WON! WE THE PEOPLE WON!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. Yes, in that it shows that Sanders is no Obama, and couldn't even win in
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

heavily white-liberal Iowa.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
19. TV is saying that the Democratic Party has NOT called the race yet.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

Out of curiosity, how will the delegates be proportioned?

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