Should Hillary be proud of a 0.35% win?

[AZ Progressive]

[Matariki]

1. Apparently.

given she was the dark horse in the race

[cali]

2. She and her supporters have no choice but to

act as if they are.

[Lucinda]

3. Yep.

[azurnoir]

4. if this was actually a meaningful vote such numbers would trigger an automatic recount

at least in most places

[jfern]

5. She won 86% of the crucial demographic, coins

[Ed Suspicious]

8. Ha! Indeed.

Hillary wins the monied vote.

[farleftlib]

71. DUzy!

[KittyWampus]

50. Skinner did an OP explaining those "coins" didn't go into determining Hillary's win.

So if you and other Sanders supporters want to keep on it, it just makes you look either silly.

You need a link to Skinner's thread?

It's based on facts.

[jfern]

52. The coins showed it's basically a tie

Bernie likely had more voters than Hillary.

[Odin2005]

74. Well, she is the money candidate!

[PatrickforO]

6. I think not.

Oh, she'll act proud, but she's got to be pretty concerned here. This election is about the heart and soul of our party, and apparently HALF of us don't see her as representing them if she is elected. I don't.

[madokie]

44. I'm pretty sure in saying this

I know for a fact that she will not represent Me and You.
It's just not how she rolls.

[Live and Learn]

7. Whatever makes them happy. We know the truth. Go Bernie. nt

[Hortensis]

9. If you'd worked like a stevedore long, long 7/325 days

how would you be feeling? My guess is that she might be satisfied to consider that a tie reported technically as a win will work for her; certainly much better for her than a loss, but not nearly as good as a clear win. Win some, lose some, tie some.

What we do know she's an old pro and was no doubt already already focused on the rest of the campaign, including just what she had to do tomorrow.

I'd love to be there as she and her strategizers talk about Nevada. Bernie's relatively strong out west, compared to the rest of the country, and that's likely to be another close one before he has to face the southern states. (GOP does South Carolina next.)

[pnwmom]

12. Did we think Gore and Bush had "technically tied" because they were so close?

No, we didn't. We knew that Gore had actually won -- and we wanted him to prove it.

If Gore had ended up with only 100 votes more than Bush, wouldn't we have been calling that a WIN? Not a technical tie?

[Matariki]

15. In the Primaries, States aren't a 'winner take all' race

The delegates are nearly evenly split. So a tie actually is a tie.

[pnwmom]

49. But in primaries we always know what the actual vote count is. So we know, for example,

that in 2008 in Nevada, Hillary had more votes but Obama got more delegates.

Caucuses are very messy, archaic, unrepresentative way of assigning delegates.

[cali]

17. She and her campaign are unhappy. They're not stupid.

[pnwmom]

10. Yes. She did it without promising unicorns and pie-in-the-sky. nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

11. Yes, because a win is a win. If she lost by the same margin, people would be crowing like hell.

Also, the demographics of the state did not favor her. We all know that her base is women, African Americans and Hispanics. Iowa is 97% white. So under the circumstances, she should be proud.

And finally, she came in third in 2008. This is huge progress and an accomplishment.

[pnwmom]

13. +1. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

22. +1

[72DejaVu]

28. If she's lost by that margin

Sanders supporters would be demanding she drop out of the race.

Well, they do anyway, but you know what I mean.

[lunamagica]

59. Yes, I remember the posts saying she should drop out after Iowa

[lunamagica]

58. +1

[leftynyc]

14. Of course we should

Just the same way Bernie supporters would be crowing about a victory. But I see a lot of sore losers on this thread so I'm just going to enjoy it somewhere else.

[EdwardBernays]

16. That number is BS

considering that:

- we don't know the final figures:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/

- 7 precincts were decided by a coin toss:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/iowa-caucus-hillary-clinton-wins-six-delegates-by-coin-toss-a6848126.html

Hillary also spent $13,000,000 for her five additional delegates, and that's even after building the best (if you believe the media) ground team in Iowa of all time.

So at best it's a tie, at worst Hillary blew through millions for basically nothing, and has no momentum, opening the door for Sanders all over the country.

[bvf]

18. Exactly.

Hillary also spent $13,000,000 for her five additional delegates, and that's even after building the best (if you believe the media) ground team in Iowa of all time.

And that $13,000,000 will have to be paid back. The CGI slush fund can probably manage it out of petty cash.

[Arazi]

20. She "won" 6 coin tosses to "win". If I were her campaign I'd be pretty worried eom

[PeaceNikki]

73. That's been debunked.

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/02/465268206/coin-toss-fact-check-no-coin-flips-did-not-win-iowa-for-hillary-clinton?utm_campaign=storyshare

[pandr32]

21. Definitely!

Many of the polls had Bernie slightly ahead before yesterday--showing that it was tight. Bernie's people showed up and he gave it a good effort, but in the end Hillary passed the finish ahead, albeit by a slim margin. Still--it was a horse race and she won in a state with a demographic that favored Bernie. Almost all of the remaining states do not.

[azurnoir]

23. a margin so slim that if this vote had any real meaning where election results are concerned

it would trigger an automatic recount

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. It's not a win. It's a tie.

49.9% - 49.6% = 50% - 50% <------- AS REPORTED BY MSNBC 50-50 TIE

Aren't precincts still unreported?

Are the delegates still 22 - 21 & is one delegate still available. There's 44 delegates.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[tarheelsunc]

48. 49.9% > 49.6%. eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. MSNBC - Clinton can't call Iowa a win. Bernie won. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Heard with my ears on MSNBC. No link. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Uhhhh...NO.....it's on the graphic too 50-50 - A TIE. Clinton lost by not winning. Period.

She was inevitable, remember?


PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[SidDithers]

26. It's better than a .35% loss...nt

Sid

[BigGLiberal]

27. Absolutely!

[Starry Messenger]

31. Why not?

People here were predicting Bernie landslides and blowouts.

[frylock]

60. So now DU is relevant IRL, and not fantasy unicorn bubble land?

Did the punditocracy also predict Bernie landslides and blowouts?

[stonecutter357]

32. Iowa did not fill the Bern .

[Broward]

36. Yes we coin.

[RiverLover]

38. ^^^ Thread WIN!

[bigwillq]

37. Sure. She got more delegates, at this point

So it's a victory for her campaign

[Maedhros]

54. Just like it was for King Pyrrhus at Heraclea. [n/t]

[mmonk]

39. Sure, why not?

[Eric J in MN]

40. No, because it includes her winning 5 of 5 coin tosses.

There should be no coin tosses in choosing a president.

Precincts should award one-fewer-delegate when they can't otherwise decide who gets a delegate.

[LexVegas]

41. In a 90%+ percent white state dominated by males? Yeah.

Just like Sanders fans should be proud when he gets within 30 points in a state with minorities voting.

[MrMickeysMom]

42. Only if you consider the magic 6 coin toss trick in a row!

[mythology]

43. If Politico is correct and Clinton won 28 delegates to 20 for Sanders

then yes, that's a fairly significant edge given the proportions.

[DCBob]

45. Of course.

The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous.

-- TJ

[book_worm]

46. A win is a win

I'm sure in some future contest if Bernie won by only a small margin that you all would proclaim it a victory.

[Empowerer]

47. Sanders lost by that margin but his supporters are trying to spin that into a win

If a loss by that margin is a win, then yes, the person who beat the person who lost by that margin definitely won ...

[DonCoquixote]

51. I hate to say it

but if this attitude means that come November, she breaks out the lawyers and does not do an Al Gore and submit to Fat Tony's mafia of Republican supreme court justices, who WILL try a repeat of 2000, then fine.

[saltpoint]

53. Here's this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-iowa-performance-218607

--coming from a source I'm not hogwild about but this particular writer's analysis is insightful and useful.

[backscatter712]

55. A few weeks ago, the polls were showing double-digit leads for Hillary.

It doesn't look good for her to barely get a technical victory by the skin of her teeth.

[Nanjeanne]

56. She should be as proud as Bernie is of both their outcomes

The victory lap is a bit overkill. But hey, for her it seems to be more about the "perception" than reality.

"I'm a moderate. I'm a progressive".

[randome]

57. The winners get to crow all they want. Sanders can do the same next week if he wants.

For some to suggest she should 'show proper deference' to Sanders is in amazingly bad taste, IMO.
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[DrDan]

61. I have a feeling BS would be proud of a 0.35 win - so why shouldn't Hillary?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. Enough to convince her investors to cough up more dough?

[B Calm]

63. Absolutely NOT! She should be embarrassed!

[FrenchieCat]

64. I think both candidates should be proud...

and respectful to each other, and I believe their supporters should do the same.

To distract from the real issues in order to denigrate the other team running in the same party, is to become like the GOP candidates who talk about nothing but polls, calling each other names. It is not a good look, and will not endear anyone to their candidate.

I realize that some might want to sow discord to further denigrate, but I would politely comment, that this is not the general election, and we need to be mindful of that, IMO.

[Bleacher Creature]

65. Anything that doesn't change the dynamic of this race is a win for her.

Compared to the states she's leading now, IA and NH are irrelevant. When you factor in the superdelegates, she's the heavy favorite.

Sanders needs to do something in those two states that will completely upend the trajectory of the race. So far, he's 0 for 1.

That's a win, and it's worth celebrating.

[bettyellen]

66. Of course. She and Sanders should both be proud. No clown car here.

[Cal33]

67. Is this the latest info? I thought it was 0.2%.

[frustrated_lefty]

68. Of course she should.

It's impressive for a moderate republican to do so well in a democratic primary.

[mcar]

69. Yes

[AJH032]

70. should the Bulls have been proud of 1 pt win to give them the '98 title?

A win is a win, regardless of who you're rooting for. Onto NH where Bernie will likely win.

[PeaceNikki]

72. Yes, both candidates and all Democrats should be proud of the Iowa results.

We have two great candidates.