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For the FIRST TIME in US History a woman wins the Iowa Caucus! (Original Post) JaneyVee Feb 2016 OP
Has there been an official announcement ??? SamKnause Feb 2016 #1
Not yet. peacebird Feb 2016 #75
22 delegates each and 6 coin tosses. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #2
I guess you're forgetting superdels? JaneyVee Feb 2016 #5
Superdelegates are uncommitted. I'm not forgetting them, at all. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #9
Hillary has over 380 pledged superdels, Bernie has 6. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #12
They are not "pledged" legally, they are uncommitted. John Poet Feb 2016 #15
Sure, right, ok. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #16
If you remember JV, and I'm sure you do,..... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #92
pledged ya I guess that's the word azurnoir Feb 2016 #43
Haha! Helen Borg Feb 2016 #57
They can change their minds. Pledges are not legally binding are they? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #84
Where have I seen this before? senz Feb 2016 #3
Well done! bvf Feb 2016 #60
I am amazed that this vote was so close. I am glad no coin tosses were involved. Vattel Feb 2016 #91
Thanks, Vattel. senz Feb 2016 #121
I think it is WRONG to compare any Democratic Candiate to Bush. Shame on you riversedge Feb 2016 #93
K&R Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #4
She didn't win Matariki Feb 2016 #6
she was just named the apparent winner. So she did win Lil Missy Feb 2016 #7
By who? Officially? Matariki Feb 2016 #8
By NPR and the Des Moines Register BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #63
That is a bit of a joke. Let's see how this turns out. Typical Clinton. Typical Clinton. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #85
No, it's not unseemly... Adrahil Feb 2016 #97
Were there really six coin tosses? And did Hillary win all of them? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #98
Apparently, yes. But.... Adrahil Feb 2016 #99
6/11,065 votes, and apparently it is not correct she won all six either. bettyellen Feb 2016 #123
I'm not sure how you find it BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #100
1. It is a joke to win a caucus based on a coin toss. That is not a win. That is a joke. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #101
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #118
If she won *anything*, she won a few coin tosses in a row. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #10
Lets be serious, this state Iowa was... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #11
Blah blah blah Matariki Feb 2016 #17
Thanks, but you know Im right. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #19
Oh, word in the news is that Clinton spent 90% of her funds on Iowa Matariki Feb 2016 #21
Bernie outspent Hillary in Iowa. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #45
Well, I'm sure her super pacs will take care of her in the rest of the races. Matariki Feb 2016 #47
btw Matariki Feb 2016 #55
LOL. Read the date. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #59
Well worth it--Hillary has the mojo now riversedge Feb 2016 #103
She is not going to have time this week to meet and greet with the NH voters Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #116
Revisionist history angrychair Feb 2016 #48
Bernie had a +11 in a Iowa poll last week. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #62
In a single poll angrychair Feb 2016 #74
Gag. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #13
And the silliness continues. Jury results: Live and Learn Feb 2016 #18
That was a pretty ridiculous comment though. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #20
I don't find it ridiculous. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #22
Why, because it says woman? JaneyVee Feb 2016 #24
Not if you were the one claiming to be one and the post was to you. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #27
Women all around the globe.... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #29
Yeah, by people like her. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #31
Spends her life fighting global poverty and AIDS... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #34
Did she? Really??? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #56
I don't think you have any idea what oppression really is. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #32
Quick example of double standard: JaneyVee Feb 2016 #33
I can only judge by Hillary supporters that did the same to Bernie. Luckily, that percentage is Live and Learn Feb 2016 #36
Lets be clear: If this Dem race was between 2 men.... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #38
LOL Hillary added unicorns to her campaign tonight. Did you miss that? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #39
LOL at your last paragraph... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #40
You are where you are thanks to previous generations that fought to ensure you weren't opressed. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #46
Bernie voted for more military action (Kosovo, Somalia, Afghan) and JaneyVee Feb 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #50
Not Hillary. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #58
DO YOU REALIZE HOW FREAKING SEXIST YOU SOUND? JaneyVee Feb 2016 #64
Do you realize you are yelling? Not at all sexist. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #69
No more sexist than the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #106
Because Hillary wasn't inoffice and didn't cast a vote either way. Such silliness is really beneath Live and Learn Feb 2016 #53
Thats like saying "an Af-American that knows nothing about real Af-Americans" JaneyVee Feb 2016 #26
wtf? prayin4rain Feb 2016 #82
WOMEN won in Iowa, no matter the vote count. Hortensis Feb 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #30
Yikes! JaneyVee Feb 2016 #35
That is one ugly, sexist post. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #41
Yea, he got a well deserved time out for that shit. n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #113
And yet, I just came out of a thread where Sanders supporters are consoling each other by Number23 Feb 2016 #129
Right? JTFrog Feb 2016 #133
Balance is a nice thing! I wouldn't have alerted on Hortensis Feb 2016 #138
Hey dude Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #77
Dude is a woman. frylock Feb 2016 #134
Here's a crying towel. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #78
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #65
Love the positives Cary Feb 2016 #137
Woot! Hekate Feb 2016 #23
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #25
Congrats to Hillary Clinton. A hard fought win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #28
So she won cause she didn't lose as bad as previously? Interesting concept. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #37
She won the caucuses outright. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #54
No Bush in office, perhaps? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #67
You might be right, but I honestly thought Bernie would win Polk. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #70
She did great! Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #42
Good point. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #44
Woopy! Iowa likes my faux Democratic vagina better than your Socialist penis! countmyvote4real Feb 2016 #51
This sounds a lot like "Sarah salad-speak." eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #61
As a Sanders supporter ... I really have to applaud this The Traveler Feb 2016 #66
Thank you for your post and your sanity pandr32 Feb 2016 #73
Thanks for capturing what I was feeling Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #79
Thank you for your civility. NNadir Feb 2016 #86
Thank you. Hillary and her team has made HERstory in Iowa. riversedge Feb 2016 #95
totally agree- great night for all Dems. bettyellen Feb 2016 #125
disagree. the people of iowa won tonight hopemountain Feb 2016 #71
It was not even close to record turnout. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #72
I will actually rec this thread Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #76
Thank you. That was kind of you. And this morning, yes. it is true. riversedge Feb 2016 #94
The Force was with Hillary--->V-I-C-T-O-R-Y riversedge Feb 2016 #80
More victories to come for a most remarkable woman. oasis Feb 2016 #81
If she keeps winning like this d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #88
By the time the GE rolls around, the idea of a woman President oasis Feb 2016 #89
I doubt gender is an important issue d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #110
Woman's issues, infrastructure problems, unemployment. Hillary has oasis Feb 2016 #111
foreign policy? DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #128
Btw, has Bernie managed to come up with a FP adviser yet? oasis Feb 2016 #132
Jamie Lee Curtis, Katy Perry and More Join Lena Dunham's #ImWithHer Campaign for Hillary Clinton riversedge Feb 2016 #83
Relevance? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #105
they were part of the team that helped Hillary win IOWA. riversedge Feb 2016 #108
Made famous for their political acumen, I'm sure. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #109
Whatever you say riversedge Feb 2016 #117
Has Tiger Beat named its candidate yet? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #119
Shaun Cassidy frylock Feb 2016 #136
Thank you for mentioning that. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #87
K & R, thanks for your post, beautiful. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #90
Congrats to Team Hillary. Alfresco Feb 2016 #96
I like her. grossproffit Feb 2016 #102
Was Romney the first Mormon to win a caucus last election?... cascadiance Feb 2016 #104
Love this painting of Hillary!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #107
History was made! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #112
It is the real story coming out of Iowa IMHO riversedge Feb 2016 #114
K&R mcar Feb 2016 #115
Congratulations lovuian Feb 2016 #120
K&R! R B Garr Feb 2016 #122
k&r! DesertRat Feb 2016 #124
History!!!! NCTraveler Feb 2016 #126
First Female to win the IOWA Caucus. History was made. Iliyah Feb 2016 #127
Stop making this about gender. No one else gets to WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #130
This is a great accomplishment Gothmog Feb 2016 #131
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #135
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
15. They are not "pledged" legally, they are uncommitted.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:02 AM
Feb 2016

They might have "pledged" that they will support her, which is not the same thing as a "pledged delegate" (which are ONLY awarded through primaries and caucuses). Superdelegates can change their mind at any time.

You don't get to count superdelegates as part of some "margin of victory" in a primary or caucus vote. That is dishonest, and not even technically true.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
92. If you remember JV, and I'm sure you do,.....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:00 AM
Feb 2016

....Hillary tried the ol' 'LOOK AT ALL MY SUPERDELEGATES!!!' in '08. They didn't stick with her then, did they?

Plus it just sounds tone-deaf to trumpet 'elite' delegates over voters. But hey, you do you!

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
60. Well done!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:07 AM
Feb 2016

We may be seeing herstory repeating itself.

I truly hope not, for the nation's sake.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
91. I am amazed that this vote was so close. I am glad no coin tosses were involved.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

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Matariki

(18,775 posts)
6. She didn't win
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:48 AM
Feb 2016

It's a tie. But she did great and I'm happy for the historic accomplishment. It's going to be a long couple months!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
85. That is a bit of a joke. Let's see how this turns out. Typical Clinton. Typical Clinton.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:15 AM
Feb 2016

She needs to be patient and not just grab. The decision is not official.

It is unseemly for Hillary to declare herself the winner until it is official.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
97. No, it's not unseemly...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:12 AM
Feb 2016

Sheesh... Of all the most rifpdiculous complaints. There is ONE outstanding precinct. Clinton won this. It was narrow, but she won.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
98. Were there really six coin tosses? And did Hillary win all of them?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:28 AM
Feb 2016

If so, the intent of the voters should be respected and those contests should be allocated three wins to Hillary and three to Bernie.

And if it turns out to be a tie, so be it.

The intent of the participants in the caucuses should be respected, not a coin toss result.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
100. I'm not sure how you find it
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:36 AM
Feb 2016

"unseemly for Hillary to declare herself the winner" when the IA Dem Party, not Hillary, that has said so. ???

What is a joke - and a disgrace, IMO - is for supposed Democrats to make snarky remarks about Clinton on a Democratic website just because their candidate was not declared the winner by the IA Dem Party. I would not be making such remarks about Bernie if it were the other way around.

We had three excellent candidates. I am very sorry that MOM suspended his campaign because his ideas are every bit as progressive as Bernie's and his environmental proposals are the best of the three, IMO. But for me, he doesn't yet have the foreign policy gravitas or persona that I believe is necessary in this incredibly complex world. Bernie doesn't either. Voting against the IWR (which I agree was a great thing) is not a foreign policy. Listing foreign policy experts who haven't actually been "consulted" and aren't even sure why they're listed isn't a foreign policy. On-the-job learning in that area especially is no longer a luxury we can afford - if we really ever could.

While I love a lot of what he is saying, I know how things work in real life and it takes a person who has the full respect and support of the people that person must work with. It is quite telling that of all the Dems in both Houses of Congress, only two have endorsed Bernie so far. While some Bernie supporters may - unfairly, IMO - blame Hillary for this, it is telling that they prefer to work with her rather than with him.

Lasting change does not come with "revolution." Lasting change comes in increments. Revolution leaves chaos in its wake and in any leadership vacuum as usually happens with chaos, it is usually a despot who takes over, even if that despot begins with the best of intentions. Think French Revolution and Napoleon; think Russian Revolution and Lenin/Stalin; think of the breakup of the USSR, the chaos of the 1990s in Russia and the - practically inevitable - rise of Putin (who is actually revered in Russia right now, whatever we may think of him).

Of the three candidates, I believe that Hillary is the best comprehensively qualified candidate - able to step into the job on Day 1 and make it work as well as it ever has (which isn't saying much, given our dysfunctional system). While I like, admire and respect Bernie, I just don't see that happening.

I am sure that you disagree. But I hope that we can simply agree to disagree and not use snark.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
101. 1. It is a joke to win a caucus based on a coin toss. That is not a win. That is a joke.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

They should divide the results of the coin tosses. If there were six coin tosses, three should go to Hillary and three to Bernie. Because my suggestion would represent the intent of the voters, and that is what elections are about.

2. Again, it is the intent of the voters that should determine whether Bernie wins, not the intent of politicians already seated in Congress and elsewhere. If we decided elections based on what sitting politicians wanted for the outcome, we could just do away with voters and let the sitting politicians decide. Democracy is about letting the voters, the people decide, and not about perpetuating the status quo byr letting the sitting politicians decide. Let the voters decide. I think the superdelegate system is a travesty of democracy. It should be abolished.

3. I agree with you that violent revolutions are horrible things. The French Revolution became violent and resulted in the rise of Napoleon. But Bernie is not suggesting a violent revolution. His supporters would not have the means or methods to conduct a violent revolution in this country. If you want violence, you have to look to the extreme right, not to the left at this time in America. We support gun control, not armed revolution. Bernie is talking about a democratic revolution. By "revolution" he means more voter and citizen participation not just in elections but in letting our voices and opinions be heard in governments from local to state to federal levels BETWEEN ELECTIONS. Think about the mid-term elections. We get low voter turn-out and Republicans win. That is happening over and over. Bernie's use of the word "revolution" means that we have drastic change with regard to political participation. I'm all for it. The word is a bit dramatic, but it certainly captures the change that needs to occur.

Actually, I think Bernie is the best qualified candidate. He was elected mayor of Burlington over and over and over and over. After his first term, he was elected by a good margin (suggesting voters were happy with his governance) and he DOUBLED voter turn-out. That is what his wife explained in a television interview last week. Thus, Bernie has more CEO or management experience in government than Hillary. Further, Bernie has served in Congress since 1992. That's a long time. Hillary has nowhere near that experience in Congress. Thus we can assume that Bernie knows the members of Congress (Budget committee, Veteran's committee, energy committee and others), knows how Congress works and in fact knows Congress better than any president since maybe Ford. Obama was in Congress only a short time. Hillary has spent only maybe six years at the most in Congress. Hillary was in the White House, but if she is taking credit for Bill's bills, the ones he signed like Welfare Reform, the sentencing act that increased sentences and has proved disastrous for minority communities, the repeal of Glass-Steagall the "reform" of the Commodity Futures Act, the bill that promoted consolidation of the media, etc., I don't think she should be elected. They were all bad, really bad measures. Hillary was Secretary of State, but . . . . ISIS. Need I say more. She made some good, but also some terrible decisions as Sec. of State. She said positive things about the TPP -- which will hurt working Americans. She said positive things about H1-B visas which also hurt working Americans.

In short, Bernie's experience is far, far better than Hillary's. And it shows in his focus and his speeches. Bernie is the winning candidate. If we do not nominate him, we are in for trouble in November. You read it here. I'm very firm in my conviction that we need to nominate and elect Bernie Sanders. And as you can see, my conviction is based on reason and not just on emotion.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
11. Lets be serious, this state Iowa was...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:56 AM
Feb 2016

One of the states Bernie needed yo win to stay competitive. The demographics are right up his alley: 95% white state filled with college campuses.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
21. Oh, word in the news is that Clinton spent 90% of her funds on Iowa
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:13 AM
Feb 2016

and all she has to show for it is a tie and a coin toss.

We'll see how the next month plays out. But we can toss bravado to pass the time

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
59. LOL. Read the date.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:07 AM
Feb 2016

She then went on to break fundraising records and her campaign said that money was used to invest in the next caucus states i.e. offices, staff.

 

Flying Phoenix

(114 posts)
116. She is not going to have time this week to meet and greet with the NH voters
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

between fundraisers and the debates before the next vote.

10% of what, 110 milion raised is what, 11 million? Bet that 10% is already spent and running a debt.

Bernie, on the other hand, just raised $20M in all of January and is doing fine, financially-wise, plus he has organizations in Super Tuesday states. Clinton barely has anything going.

Her SuperPACs can only do so much without "coordination".

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
48. Revisionist history
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:59 AM
Feb 2016

He was losing in every polling average, every political pundit, every partisan hack from WaPo to DU, said he would lose by large margins. The polls walking in the doors said he would lose by 5 or points. All from a campaign that started in Iowa with a 60 point lead. From a campaign that had 90% of it's resources split between Iowa and their New York campaign headquarters. That had previous experience campaigning in Iowa.

All that being said, the best they could muster, with all that money, experience and media slant, was the tightest caucus results in Iowa state Democratic Party history.

Bernie Sanders has become the first Jewish person to be awarded delegates in a caucus or primary for POTUS in US history.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
74. In a single poll
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:30 AM
Feb 2016

RCP avg was Clinton +4

Huff Post avg was Clinton +4

FiveThirtyEight was Clinton +3.2 (MoM at 5.1% of vote which wasn't even close)

Sanders was working off a 60 pt deficit.

Despite starting in a losing position, he achieved a statistical tie (50/50) for a lot less money. It was a victory, no matter the spin.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. And the silliness continues. Jury results:
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Feb 2016

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
24. Why, because it says woman?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:17 AM
Feb 2016

Would you think it was ridiculous if you switched the words woman with the word black or jew?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
34. Spends her life fighting global poverty and AIDS...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:30 AM
Feb 2016

Nice to see Bernie finally venturing outside his usual Vermont to DC roundtrip.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
32. I don't think you have any idea what oppression really is.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:25 AM
Feb 2016

Tell us again about your maids and landscapers and money overseas. You still feel oppressed? And yet you vote to keep your money and leave others without health care?

I'd say more but DU doesn't allow it.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
33. Quick example of double standard:
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:29 AM
Feb 2016

What do you think the media (and some here) would say about a female candidate with disheveled hair who just shouted angrily and waved her arms around?

And again, women are oppressed no matter their socioeconomic status.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
36. I can only judge by Hillary supporters that did the same to Bernie. Luckily, that percentage is
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:38 AM
Feb 2016

quickly shrinking.

I don't think the majority of the country actually cares. Nor do we care what the media says. First time I've turned my tv on in months and I really didn't need to after all. The results on online were actually faster.

I am proud Bernie doesn't succumb to dying hair and make up like Hillary has. We should all be free to be who we actually are.

And YOU are not oppressed. You just don't appreciate all that you have been given or the people that worked so hard to give it to you.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
38. Lets be clear: If this Dem race was between 2 men....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:44 AM
Feb 2016

People would have realized by now that one of them has no actual realistic policy plans and is just selling unicorns and fairy dust to his base.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
40. LOL at your last paragraph...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:48 AM
Feb 2016

Ive been working since Im 14. I grew up poor in Brooklyn. I worked my way through high school and college and had to achieve twice as much to land the career i have now. I earned everything i have and am glad to be in a position give my 2 little boys a better childhood than i had.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
46. You are where you are thanks to previous generations that fought to ensure you weren't opressed.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:57 AM
Feb 2016

I should think, having two little boys, might make you rethink your support of a war hawk. These wars seem to go on and on and little boys do grow up in the meantime.

Or maybe you suppose your (relatively) new found wealth and your resulting privilege will make your boys immune to the effects of war, climate change and jail.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
49. Bernie voted for more military action (Kosovo, Somalia, Afghan) and
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:59 AM
Feb 2016

Fund more wars than Hillary ever has. He even voted for HR Res 64 and Libya.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #49)

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #52)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
69. Do you realize you are yelling? Not at all sexist.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:13 AM
Feb 2016

Are you suggesting Hillary was couldn't have thrown her two cents in at the time?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
53. Because Hillary wasn't inoffice and didn't cast a vote either way. Such silliness is really beneath
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:03 AM
Feb 2016

you.

Hillary's hawkish stands on war with Iran and Syria is what should concern you with regard to your boys if not the planet.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. WOMEN won in Iowa, no matter the vote count.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:00 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you, Hillary, for dragging this sledge further up the mountain for us. We'll never know just how much work went into just this little part, how hard and how stressful it was, but she's out there doing it as a way of life.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
129. And yet, I just came out of a thread where Sanders supporters are consoling each other by
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

pretending that it's HILLARY supporters that are angry. Because she won.

I didn't get it either.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
138. Balance is a nice thing! I wouldn't have alerted on
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

Fawke Em's revealing words, personally, because I think it's better for people to know just what sort of attitudes and behaviors are in play out there.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
77. Hey dude
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:55 AM
Feb 2016

I love ya but chill, this is a good day for Bernie and we don't need to be attacking Hillary's womanhood.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
137. Love the positives
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:12 AM
Feb 2016

It's a pity that so many of our persuasion choose to see something else.

Our side is good. "Conservatism" is a dangerous ideology. Go Democrats.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
28. Congrats to Hillary Clinton. A hard fought win.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:20 AM
Feb 2016

The biggest difference from 2008 is that she did well in Polk, the county where Des Moines is located. I think in 2008 she came in third, but she handily beat Sanders here. Polk is the most populous county.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
54. She won the caucuses outright.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:04 AM
Feb 2016

I am just pointing the biggest change from her third place showing to her victory today. I'm telling you that Polk County played a big role. She would have lost by 5+ points to Sanders if Polk County didn'the omega through for her

I wonder what changed from 2008 to 2016 in Polk. Was their a demographic change? Or did Clinton's message just resonated here more?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
67. No Bush in office, perhaps?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:10 AM
Feb 2016

The Iraq War while still being fought is a memory in some people's minds. And Bill's role in creating the current global economic and local disparities hasn't gotten through to everyone yet.

But it will. Bernie is doing a great job and people will see the real choice.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
70. You might be right, but I honestly thought Bernie would win Polk.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:16 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe it might have been the gun issue? Bernie did a lot better in Western Iowa. Western Iowa was suppose to be Clinton'said stronghold, but Bernie did well.Polk was suppose to go for Bernie, but Clinton won it comfortably. A lot of the suburbs went for Clinton. I think the gun differences favored Clinton and that'she why she did so well in Polk.

Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
66. As a Sanders supporter ... I really have to applaud this
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:10 AM
Feb 2016

It is a little piece of history, right there. Sure, I'd be happier if my guy had won the coin tosses. But sometimes its the other fella the gets lucky ... and in this case, that's the campaign of Secretary Clinton.

But how bad is it ... to "lose" by the narrowest margin in history to the first WOMAN to win the Iowa caucus? I just can't cry in my beer about this outcome.

I put "lose" in quotes because I think the Sanders campaign did what it had to do ... demonstrate its ability to produce votes beyond the predictions of the Nate Silver types, the pundits and the pollsters. And I think he did that ... so this is a strategic victory for my guy.

But it is also a victory for the first woman to win the Iowa caucus ... again, I ain't cryin' in my beer. I have this sense both camps achieved something real tonight.

This is going to be a long and interesting primary season.

Trav

pandr32

(11,611 posts)
73. Thank you for your post and your sanity
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:27 AM
Feb 2016

Both camps did do well. Now onward we all go because there are 49 states ahead.
Hillary Clinton is the first woman to win the Iowa caucus--first women to win the White House coming up!

NNadir

(33,544 posts)
86. Thank you for your civility.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:22 AM
Feb 2016

I actually can't read very much political stuff here without feeling tremendous pain at so many puerile attacks on either candidate.

I'm really undecided, although I increasingly lean toward Ms. Clinton, and I thank you for not implying, as some seem to do, that she is a right wing, neo-nazi, warmongering fascist wannabee. That kind of rhetoric does no one any service, particularly when we see how odious the Republican field is.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
71. disagree. the people of iowa won tonight
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:17 AM
Feb 2016

they turned out in record numbers - all different walks of life.
hillary will act as though she won - but she knows it was a tie tonight with bernie. she knows it through and through. yes, she'll get up in a few hours to fight her fight to win any way she can - at all costs because she is a fighter and to be madam president & maintain the status quo is her goal. still, her dishonesty to her own self and her own truth will defeat her.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
76. I will actually rec this thread
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:52 AM
Feb 2016

It may turn out not to be true, but I do not begrudge her supporters for celebrating the historical significance of this, if in fact it does hold up.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
80. The Force was with Hillary--->V-I-C-T-O-R-Y
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:59 AM
Feb 2016

Yes, it is official

The Force was with Hillary--->V-I-C-T-O-R-Y



d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
88. If she keeps winning like this
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:25 AM
Feb 2016

Expect President (insert Republican nominee here) to trounce her in the general. BTW I'm voting for her in the general if she wins the Nom, for all you alert trolls out there.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
89. By the time the GE rolls around, the idea of a woman President
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:37 AM
Feb 2016

would have captured the imagination of Americans in every walk of life. Hillary's journey to the White House is sure to be an inspiring story.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
110. I doubt gender is an important issue
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

For Americans who are struggling to stay afloat or finding a job. I guess making history is more important than saving the middle class.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
111. Woman's issues, infrastructure problems, unemployment. Hillary has
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

addressed everything under the sun that lines up with Democratic Party values. In addition, she is known to be miles ahead of Bernie when it comes to foreign policy.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
128. foreign policy?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary "assad must go" Clinton?

You know, when she finally gets that war with Syria or Iran that her friend Debbie has been praying for, I will wait to see people eat their words, but I will be too busy wondering which of my family members is getting sent off to the sandbox again to get shot at, probably with weapons obtained from Syrian "moderates."

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
83. Jamie Lee Curtis, Katy Perry and More Join Lena Dunham's #ImWithHer Campaign for Hillary Clinton
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:10 AM
Feb 2016

THANK YOU



Jamie Lee Curtis, Katy Perry and More Join Lena Dunham's #ImWithHer Campaign for Hillary Clinton

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
104. Was Romney the first Mormon to win a caucus last election?...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

... Er maybe not. They recounted later that close election and it was actually Santorum who won then.

Hmm....

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
107. Love this painting of Hillary!!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

(Or is it a digital manipulation of a photo to make it appear to be painted?) In any case, I love it!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
127. First Female to win the IOWA Caucus. History was made.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

She pulled it out, what a strong person and a great campaign!

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