This close of race has to be embarassing to hillary. Nt

[Logical]

[Metric System]

1. Why? Polls have been showing a tight race in Iowa.

[cali]

7. Lots of reasons. Reportedly, Mook sank most of their resources into Iowa

And then there's the fact that she lost an enormous lead. She had every important endorsement. She had more staff and more offices. And he is,well, Bernie.

[morningfog]

8. Not when she was up 30 points!

[Lucinda]

12. The front runner usually has a big lead before the campaign in the state

heats up. Bernie's NH lead will likely drop some too as they start working there...

[morningfog]

16. She will not even get to single digits there.

[jeff47]

23. They've been working there for months.

It's not like she has been ignoring the place. After all, NH is where Chelsea started the "Sanders is going to end the ACA and leave you with nothing" story.

[CorporatistNation]

51. She is supposed to win in a blowout... Cause She's HillBill!

[sabrina 1]

25. Lol, amnesia has set in regarding the DAILY POLLS showing Bernie doesn't have a chance.

[Art_from_Ark]

28. Not to mention the know-it-alls who assured us that Bernie would drop out by January

[jeff47]

22. She dumped all her money and resources into IA, including not staffing super Tuesday states

It's a caucus state, where her endorsements and supposed superior organization make the greatest benefit.

This was the Clinton campaign at its strongest. And she tied.

[bettyellen]

29. But she needed it much more in Iowa, right?

She is looking forward to Super Tuesday already.

[jeff47]

32. Not when they campaign isn't even staffed in every super Tuesday state.

Sanders, btw, does have staff in every super Tuesday state.

It's obvious the strategy was to knock the other candidates out in IA. And she didn't.

[bettyellen]

34. ST is hers to loose. Don't think Iowa ever was.

I think she needed Iowa because she doesn't have a prayer in NH. *shrug*

I think it was a great night for the Dem party, all around.

[2pooped2pop]

26. Inevitable= not so much

[Metric System]

30. The only people on DU who've called her inevitable are Sanders supporters.

[2pooped2pop]

35. And the rest of the world who are laughing at her now.

[840high]

47. Simply not true. A Hillary

supporter told us to get out mops, tissue and towels ready for a good cry because it was going to be Hillaty's night.

[MrMickeysMom]

37. Because of the numbers and projections...

That's why

[Ken Burch]

2. She doesn't do "embarassing".

[enid602]

9. not 2008

She did in 2008. Not only did she take a drubbing in IA (coming in 3rd), but Edwards (with 15% in the polls) had just dropped out, making Obama's surge possible. What a difference 8 years make.

[hobbit709]

10. you have to feel shame to be embarassed.

[tk2kewl]

18. nope...

i know others like that. anger and resentment are what they feel when they should be embarrassed, ashamed or humbled

[arcane1]

3. Our voices are proven to be LOUDER THAN MONEY!!!

Damn right!!! :blunce:

[Avalux]

4. Of course it is, no matter hard they try to spin it.

She was expected to win big in Iowa and effectively neutralize Bernie - a candidate with no big money help or infrastructure. She's probably spitting mad tonight.

[bvf]

14. You know it.

Someone's ass is getting chewed as we speak

[Empowerer]

19. That's not what y'all were saying last night

You were crowing about how Sanders was going to crush her in Iowa.

And the polls over the last few weeks were tight, showing them neck and neck. Instead of spitting mad, she's probably pleased as punch.

[2pooped2pop]

33. She was made to look the fool

And now she will start to promise more and more of what Sander's stands for. But if she wins she will jump right back to the right and surprisingly, many of the naive willl still believe that the crumb she saves for the people, while slicing the cake for the rich, is good enough, because after all, it's pragmatic.

[Empowerer]

36. She only looks like a fool to people like you who would never think anything positive about her

regardless what she did. If she had beaten Sanders by 50 points, you still would have trashed her.

Predictable.

[2pooped2pop]

44. I used to not hate her

But the thought of another corporate enabler sickens me. I don't think the people out here can survive her. Plus she is so dishonest and barely stays above the law. I just hate manipulating people. Yes, I have come to have some kind of hate for her. I used to love Bill before she made me take closer look at him. I now strongly dislike slick Willie too.

[Empowerer]

46. Your hatred of her is noted

[2pooped2pop]

61. You guys do a lot of that noting. Writing a book or just an essay?

[KittyWampus]

5. Why? She lost Iowa last time. And in the end, it's the delegate count that matters

[MrMickeysMom]

38. And, she lost then, too...

But, let's make this a fair race and just say that a lot of people are a combination of surprised, pissed and feeling the Bern...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Yes and no. Because she's self-entitled and the coronated nominee, she looks bad.

On the other hand, she outperformed herself in 2008 when she lost to Obama.
And she outperformed her husband in 1992 when he lost.

Iowa Democrats tend to be more liberal than the mainstream Democratic voter.

Same with Republicans. Rank in file tend to be more conservative than the general Republican electorate.

So if Clinton wins, it's not an astounding victory, but it's a good victory.

[Stuckinthebush]

11. Are you serious?

She was supposed to feel the Bern. He was going to win. If he can't win Iowa then how the hell can he win anywhere else?

Pffft.

[Fearless]

15. The new goal post moving meme??

[Stuckinthebush]

21. How rich

It has always been this way. He had to win and win big. He didn't. No momentum. He's toast.

Mark it. Done.

[Fearless]

24. Yup the goal posts moved again!

First he wasn't viable, then he couldn't win, now they've tied, IT'S ALL OVER PEOPLE!!!! 1!1!

[Stuckinthebush]

27. Feel the sizzle

I'm sure you are correct. He'll go on to not lose SC by 30 then not lose TX by 20. Feel the bern!

I'm sure Super Tuesday will not be as big a loss as predicted and he will lose by a smaller margin.

Woooooo!

[Fearless]

31. Marginalizing again from you, walk away.

[Stuckinthebush]

39. You are funny

Turn this into a Sanders victory for me. Seriously. Show the math. He couldn't win one of the best states for him. He has a 45-1 deficit in super delegates. He has a demographic disadvantage in Super Tuesday states. He needed a big win for the big mo. But you say I'm moving the goal posts.

Clinton has been playing catch up for a few weeks. Look at GD-P for the last few weeks. Every sanders fan was assured of a massive win. Clinton supporter were not. Now we see a Clinton win by a hair. This is not good for Sanders. Spin all you want.

Walk away

[Fearless]

49. I don't have to spin anything. Iowa was a toss up and STILL is. She is currently leading by 5

That's five DELEGATES, not %.

She was frantic in her bizarre "victory speech".

Truly not ready to be president.

But I don't have to worry. She will collapse in NH and continue to do so on Super Tuesday.

Enjoy the ride.

#feelthebern

[Stuckinthebush]

52. Mark this thread

And come back to say "I told you so"

I'll do the same.

[Fearless]

53. Feel free.

[MrMickeysMom]

41. No... SHE was supposed to win, Iowa...

Get it?

A virtual tie and delegates means a tie, not a win.

PFfffftttt

[Stuckinthebush]

45. Have you not read gD-P this past month?

He was going to win!

It's over for him. The math and momentum isn't with him.

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Apparently not as much as some other people read it...

I work, and much of GD-P is arguing.

Sanders has said in that SAME time (which I have heard) that if the voter turn out is big, he wins, if not he looses.

The only surprise here is that it's a tie, and the bigger surprise is that the voter turn out was HUGE.

If that makes it "over" for him, then keep staying tuned. Choosing the words is the tricky part, as you may have to eat them!

[Stuckinthebush]

50. I won't

Math is with me

[MrMickeysMom]

54. Math.... okay...

[frylock]

56. Are you seriously putting anonymous posters on DU on the same level as MSM pundits?

[Stuckinthebush]

57. Well they are usually better here at Du

So....

[Empowerer]

13. Not at all - especially since Sanders supporters were predicting she would lose

A victory, regardless how close, is probably feeling pretty sweet to her.

[Fearless]

17. It's fairly evident they both won tonight

[Empowerer]

20. I agree that it was a good night for both of them.

[frylock]

58. Right, because her hopes hinge upon what people on DU are saying.

Sure, we put 90% of our organization in Iowa in hopes of kneecapping the competition. That didn't quite work out, but we sure showed those Berniebros on DU. Get real.

[Empowerer]

59. You do realize that DU is not the center of the political universe, don't you?

I didn't refer to DU - I referred to Sanders supporters, the majority of whom I suspect are NOT on DU.

[frylock]

60. Ah. So this was a major Facebook victory for Hillary.

[Bonobo]

42. Not embarrassing, but shocking I think. nt

[KentuckyWoman]

43. I bet a dime

she's called him a few choice words in the privacy of her hotel room more than once.
Another dime bets she respects him more than she'd ever admit on a hot mic.

[HassleCat]

55. Oh, my no!

They never claimed Clinton was going to kick Bernie Booty. They never predicted a clear victory. They never cited poll after poll after poll showing Clinton with a wide margin. They always said it was going to be close. Yes they did. I know that because they are all over this site saying so. Sure, I had the same delusion as you had, when I read the smug posts predicting Bernie's coffin would only require one nail, but those posts never existed in the first place. I only thought I read them.

[bvar22]

62. I thought I remembered all that too.

Somebody with more time on their hands than I will post links to the above mentioned posts tomorrow.
Much crow will be served.