HILLARY CAMP CLAIMING SUPERDELEGATES PUT HER OVER SANDERS (EOdisgustingM) (MSNBC)

[Samantha]

[Renew Deal]

1. No one is going to buy it.

I sure don't.

[Samantha]

10. Well, MSNBC is standing by not calling it

but that is what the Hillary camp is saying.

I believe Bill Clinton as an ex-President would be a super-delegate? Does anyone know if that is correct?

Sam

PS I don't buy it either.

[Renew Deal]

14. He is. But he's not an Iowa Super-Delegate

[Samantha]

51. Thx

[Matariki]

15. They were just making fun of her.

Brian Williams used the word 'coronation'.

[TDale313]

2. Yeah, well, fuck 'em.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. What you said.

[Avalux]

3. Poor Hillary. She really didn't expect this did she?

[cui bono]

43. I wish I could see how angry she is.

You know she's fuming.

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[hobbit709]

5. "There's lies, damned lies, and statistics"-Mark Twain.

And soon the spin turbine will be revved up to max rpm and redlined.

[KingCharlemagne]

19. Twain attributed it to British PM Disraeli, altho no record exists of it

In Disraeli's written works.

[Matt_in_STL]

6. That message will win hearts and minds

"How you assholes voted is of no consequence, the fix was in before I got here."

[saltpoint]

7. Mrs. Clinton had a bad night.

She was supposed to win big. She didn't. If she ekes it out she's still in the eke zone.

She should never have declared victory while the votes are still being counted. That was bad form.

Not terribly presidential, in the opinion of this pro-Sanders observer.

[ljm2002]

34. " If she ekes it out she's still in the eke zone."...

...more like the "Eeeek!" zone.

[saltpoint]

36. LOL. "Eeeek! A socialist mouse!" eom

[rocktivity]

63. Why would she expect to win big in Bernie's back yard?

I'm not expecting Bernie to win big in South Carolina.

If Bernie doesn't win NH by at least ten points, I will consider it only a good night for HIM.


rocktivity

[saltpoint]

64. Not following your comment, rocktivity.

My comment was from Feb. 1. Iowa is not "Bernie's back yard."

If anything, it's Clinton's -- she was born in Illinois.

[rocktivity]

65. I meant how New Hampshire is next door to Bernie's home state of Vermont.

There was NO reason to expect Bernie to do anything of significance in Iowa. The fact that he literally went toe-toe-with her in made it a great night for him!


rocktivity

[saltpoint]

66. I think the truly devastating news is on the

GOP side of events.

They appear to be stuck with Trump, who is a bigot, a loose cannon, a publicity-lapping fool, a racist, a misogynist, and a dangerous cultural throwback.

But he's their boy for now. Woe is them.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

8. Superdelegates can always change their allegiance. They mean nothing this early in the race.

[Nanjeanne]

9. She's a real piece of work

Every day she makes it harder and harder for me to drag myself out to vote for her should she be the nominee. Is that really what she wants? I'm sure I'm not alone.

[askew]

23. Yeah, I will vote for Bernie if he's the nod and be sad it isn't O'Malley. But, no way in hell am

I voting for Hillary. I thought her behavior was appalling and disqualifying in 2008. She is repeating that same bad behavior again.

[Glamrock]

28. No, you're not alone.

I've been trying to remain positive about her even though I support sanders. It's what you said.

[pangaia]

30. I would be spared the shame of having to vote for her.

I live in New York.

[loyalsister]

44. I keep thinking, "I might get a chance to vote for a woman for president.....

and if so, I will do it as reluctantly as if it were a republican."

I find it infuriating!

[cui bono]

46. I've gone from not trusting her to despising her.

And it's all her doing.

.

[renate]

50. if she's the nominee I'll vote for her, happily

I think she's not a great politician in the sense of being good at running for an office, but I think she'd be a very good President. Bill thrived on the glad-handing, but it just doesn't come naturally to her. That would probably make her a better President than he was, really, since I think she's even more into the policy-geek stuff than he was. I think he was driven by ego and she is driven by the idea of public service.

She's not my first choice, obviously, but I will happily support her if she's the nominee.

[awake]

11. Even Trump had more class than her tonight

Total arrogance full of self delusion.

[morningfog]

12. "I won despite your little 'democracy' thing."

That is the very thing we the people are standing up against.

She just doesn't get it.

[Blus4u]

33. This ^^^ is so true

I would like to see total turn out numbers on the democratic numbers.


Peace

[questionseverything]

52. me too

the caucus thing should be more transparent

hopefully the campaign will know

[greymattermom]

35. That sort of reminds me of....

Rmoney!

[cui bono]

47. +1

[MrMickeysMom]

13. That only matters at the convention

[Jackilope]

16. Stunts like this cause blowback.

[Flying Phoenix]

17. Hillary Camp has egg on their face.

That same delegates that she got tonight? Can still go to Bernie in the primaries in May.

[askew]

18. Sigh, as heartbroken as I am over O'Malley losing and ready to throw in the towel on the

Whole Democratic Party, watching Hillary try to cheat her way to a win again may piss me off enough to start supporting Bernie.

The only thing that stopped Hillary from getting the super delegates to overthrow Obama's win in 2008 was black politicians explaining that she would destroy the Dem Party if she stole the nomination away from the 1st black nominee in Obama. Sanders would be the first Jewish nominee but I am not sure I could see Schumer, Feinstein and Boxer having a come to Jesus meeting with Hillary if she tries to steal the nomination again.

[StevieM]

25. You do realize that you haven't actually heard that from Clinton? I am hearing that she feels

the places that are still out will break in her favor. Mostly the De Moines area.

[Blus4u]

48. Come to Jesus meeting on behalf of Bernie....heh heh heh.

However, if Jesus was in the meeting - he would probably recommend that she throw the money changers out of the temple.

I crack myself up.

Peace, and thanks fo the set-up & we hope to see you come down on the Bernie side.

[bettyellen]

20. The news just said Bernie will also declare victory! LOL.

This is pretty funny!

[Samantha]

31. He doesn't want to wake up tomorrow to read she is saying he stole it!

Old political maneuver: declare yourself the victor in the race early so the other side will be perceived to be the loser.

Sanders will not concede until the tally is official; if he does declare victory, it will be more than amusing. He does know how the game is played and he is not going to let anyone knock him out.

Sam

[bettyellen]

39. I don't blame either of them, they have the aides pre-counting votes we don't know about yet

and then squawking to the media. It is a squeaker- which is huge for Sanders either way. His fundraising is going to explode, and they are going to split the delegates down the middle.

[jillan]

37. I think you have it backwards.

[bettyellen]

45. Nope, I am aware they reported Hillary did as well. But they did say he'd be speaking in the next 30

minutes- to declare victory. Not sure if anyone will amend that to be "symbolic" victory or not. But there it is.

[Jarqui]

21. What a pile of BS

[saltpoint]

29. And not a small pile, either. It's multi-storied. eom

[Jarqui]

41. The pettiness of this woman

Remember in '08 when Obama and her agreed not to have their names on the ballot in Michigan (or a state) because they moved up their date (something like that). So Obama took his name off the ballot as he promised the DNC. Hillary didn't. Then when she lost, she counted the votes she got in Michigan when Obama was of the ballot to try to claim she won the popular vote.

How presidential!!

[askew]

54. Her supporters are still pushing that stupid lie that she won the popular vote.

She has shown herself to be a small, petty woman who doesn't take responsibility for her failures. Nothing we want in a president.

[Jarqui]

56. No class. An embarassment

Always calculating to screw people over. It's childish.

But she's always been like that.

[askew]

59. Yep, I'll never forget her bunker speech the night Obama cinched the Dem nomination.

She was down there rallying like she still had a chance. Not an ounce of class in her.

[StevieM]

22. MSNBC said that, not Clinton. CNN is reporting that Clinton feels the vote that is still out

will come back in their favor, based on where it is coming from.

Sanders is also saying that he has won, incidentally, at least according to what I just heard on CNN.

[Samantha]

26. When Rachel first reported it, she said the Clinton camp said this

Now they are slightly changing that.

[Howler]

49. Another

Cover up for the Clinton campaign !

[Samantha]

24. 90% in -- TOO CLOSE TO CALL says MSNBC now

Still outstanding 10%.

[thesquanderer]

27. Superdelegates can change their vote right up to the convention

It is disingenuous to count them as providing your margin of victory. If this is what she's doing, she's trying to get her spin out there before the media can possiblt say that she lost.

[Samantha]

38. I am aware of this but maybe someone should call Hillary and tell her (eom)

[brooklynite]

42. UNREC

No media source is saying Clinton is declaring victory based on Super Delegates.

[The empressof all]

53. Well....As Some might say...

It depends on what your definition of "won" is....

Just sayin..

Sad to see her stoop like this. I have friends who support her...I try to hold my tongue....But for those of you who choose not to...I feel ya!

[Joe the Revelator]

55. So tone deaf, that one.

[jcgoldie]

57. they count the superdelegates because...

They are people who have already endorsed Clinton. Look at the huffpost, they are counting them too. This is not any sort of surprise... its how the party system works.

[hughee99]

58. Unfortunately, it's probably true.

If Sanders wants to force superdelegates to change their allegiance, he's going to have to win the primaries and win pretty big. If Sanders beats Clinton by the same margin that Obama did in '08, Clinton will still win the nomination (and that scenario is a disaster for the party).

[Fearless]

60. Not when she gets steamrolled they won't.

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. She's full of it!

She's got a lot of freakin' chutzpah!

This caucus was a MAJOR LOSS for her, no matter how she slices it or declares herself Queen!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[rocktivity]

62. Why not? That worked like a charm in 2008

rocktivity