2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat's your prediction for Iowa?
As for me
Sanders- 52%
Clinton- 45%
O'Malley-3%
and one more prediction-
Afterwards every single talking head on tv will ask, "Who saw this coming?"
and the answer will be "Millions of people!"
hoosierlib
(710 posts)And Bernie by a hair...
The revolution (and red-baiting negative attacks by HRC) begin tomorrow...
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Bu personally I think Sanders a little higher than that..I think there will be shock waves generated...(hope no just wishful thinking)
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)and much wailing from the Bernie crowd about cheating and unfairness of the caucus system.
BigGLiberal
(102 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Remember, O'Malley likely won't get 15% in any district and so his voters will either have to go home or choose another candidate.
Undecideds, etc, usually break for the non-establishment candidate 2-1, which means if the last poll was accurate Clinton 45, Sanders 42, the 13% should split approximately 8.5% for Bernie, 4.5% for Clinton, giving Sanders about 51 and Clinton about 49.
However, I think people are underestimating the dislike of Clinton out there, so I actually expect more like 75% to break towards Sanders.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)Depending on the numbers, they will join MOMs supporters, etc.
Was here a long time ago, during the Howard Dean days, but forgot my password and have no access to the e-mail address I had in 2004.
Haven't had a candidate to be excited about since then!
JudyM
(29,250 posts)So I'm guessing she will win by at least 3-4 points. And I will still be happy for Bernie with that.
I don't see how MOM will get 15% anywhere except as manipulated by HRCs team.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Unfortunately, I also fear that it sets the tone for the rest.
This is the perfect storm for Bernie and Bernie's strategy of reaching out to people who have given up.. those who feel disenfranchised by the process.
A win for Hilary here will give her solid media coverage (who is already in her pocket) and while I will go with Bill Maher's advise of if I can't eat the fish, eat the chicken... I will hold my nose doing it but I truly believe that in a Trump v Clinton matchup, she will lose and we will have President Trump... so I may work like crazy to try and get Cruz to be the nominee for the GOP or even bush... b/c only with GOP apathy being a strong as what democratic apathy will be, can the democrats hold the white house.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)It's mind boggling that in all of the US we don't have better candidates on both sides. I mean, Bernie's great, but the rest, just whew (except MOM, but it seems he doesn't have the public support needed to win the GE).
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Welcome to DU!
askew
(1,464 posts)Even top people on the ground in Iowa who are Hillary supporters expect O'Malley to finish in 2nd in the precinct that has Luther and Grinnell colleges. He should do better than expected in the Drake University's precinct as well.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Clinton - 52%
Sanders - 40%
O'Malley - 8%
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)I think she'll pick up OMalley's 3% and win by about 5%. The sense of inevitability will eventually push her over the top. If not now, in a few weeks.
On the Republican side, wouldn't be surprised if Bush does better than expected. They may be getting sick of the opprobrium and look for a familiar name. Plus he must have a ground game with all that money.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 52 Clinton 47
I think the gop Clown car will be Trump 30% Cruz 25% Rubio 20% Carson 15% rest-single digets
The MSM will be shocked.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)And Trump with a massive win on the GOP side.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)There is no "winner" in an Iowa caucus in the "winner take all" context of a primary or election.
That being said, I think he will come out ahead by 2-5 delegates and a worst case scenario will one less than Clinton.
Even in my "worse case scenario" though Sanders comes out ahead. He will win NH. He is likely to win NV. He may loss SC but "worse case" there still has him with a very positive showing and therefore showing he is in play in the South.
HRC has been a vast majority of her money and effort into Iowa. Much reporting exist on this subject. That has caused her a less than ideal ground game in the Super Tuesday states. That is not true for Sanders. He will win a majority of those states.
This will be a very interesting election cycle. Not the victory lap that HRC and her supporters were expecting.
Democracy is awesome.
ypsfonos
(144 posts)+8
The River
(2,615 posts)with a high of 42, low of 32. Chance of snow late Monday night.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Response to The River (Reply #25)
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The way they run their caucuses, I could see it going absolutely anywhere, despite roughly even numbers of folks in polls saying they prefer each of the two main candidates.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the Republican Party no matter the context, but moreso this election cycle.
Trump's loud mouth, Cruz's slithering around like a reptile, Jeb eating nails for breakfast, Christie perfecting his role as the The Nation's Biggest Asshole, and Ben Carson blathering on about grain in pyramids.
It's a total train wreck.
I think they're stuck with Trump or Cruz. They deserve to be, too. But the rest of us don't.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I suppose exit polls might give us some idea of the percentages.
marlakay
(11,470 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)Talking heads on TV will blather for days but the outcome of IA is clearly mostly a draw.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Feb 2. See Upton Sinclair's run for California Governor.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Since this is a prediction thread.
AJH032
(1,124 posts)I thought the Iowa caucus rules don't award delegates to any candidate with less than 15%, so how could O'Malley get 3%? Unless I'm understanding it wrong?
askew
(1,464 posts)So, it is very possible for O'Malley to get 3% of total delegates by achieving 15% viability in a handful of precincts.
AJH032
(1,124 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Sanders - 40%
H. Clinton - 35%
O'Malley - 25%
Yes, it's completely unrealistic but I am hoping for a huge O'Malley surprise.
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Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Hillary
Bernie
DOn't tell me....let me think...............
Flying Phoenix
(114 posts)Sanders: 72
Clinton: 14
O'Malley: 14
Story of the night: A superb strategy for Bernie to assist O'Malley after excessive caucus goers have flooded the rooms with high rate of solid Bernie supporters in each caucus location with a very small number of Clinton supporters, reflecting the actual numbers of people who are tired of the establishment and ready for a new direction.
(I know I live in a fantasy world, but I'm realistic that Bernie'll win convincingly, if not a blowout)
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)jib!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)My actual prediction:
Clinton 50%
Sanders 48%
O'Malley 2%
Turnout: 198K
Bernie is hurt because his college vote isn't spread out enough.
On the Republican side I think Trump edges Cruz, with Rubio closer than people expected. No candidate will get more than 25%, but only those 3 (and mayyybe Carson) above 10%.
I think Sanders pulls off a less than convincing win in New Hampshire, but that an upset in Nevada can break the narrative and change things in his direction. If he wins Iowa and New Hampshire (which is possible) then we won't need to hold out for an upset in Nevada.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Perhaps by a surprising amount.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, by a lot less than your prediction. I am thinking 49/45/and I have no clue what O'Malley supporters will do. If they think they are being played by Hillary people they might come over to Bernie's side. If they want him to get to the 15% point in at least some places they might accept the help of Hillary people. I would tell them to f' themselves myself, but that means nothing in the real world.
Attorney in Texas
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longship
(40,416 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)Reminder that:
1. the percentages that will be reported will not be voters, but will be allocated delegates
2. Delegates are allocated at a precinct level, not statewide
3. A candidate that doesn't reach 15% in a percent won't receive any delegates
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Not as big of turnout as in 08 but primarily because of lower turnout from Clinton supporters.
54 Sanders
45 Clinton
01 O'Malley
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