2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Tell me something real."
This is old, but I think it is telling. From https://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/17/1394018/-The-difference-between-Bernie-Sanders-and-Hillary-Clinton-in-one-paragraph?detail=emailclassic
They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. She said, You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that? recalled Himmelstein. And I said, How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people? and she said, Tell me something real.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)people, but its too unreal for our leaders.
Money is just more important than Americans. Go hillary! yay!
WTF?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)if I had ever heard one.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Or George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt.
Pragmatic no. Spineless yes!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Progressive reform? Nope. Not real.
But corporate empowerment....well, that's do-able.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)She's been fighting for it since 1993.
artislife
(9,497 posts)and she takes a pass.
Another disappointment with h.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Four short words that explain everything.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)JudyM
(29,250 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, FuzzyRabbit.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)It's how she rolls.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)All because all that is good and not yet fully in existence seems kind of "unreal".
That is a lack of vision or ambition, if you ask me, and I want none of it.
How does that philosophy stack up against some of the great who have been torn from us? Or as Teddy Kennedy so eloquently stated about his fallen brother at Bobby's funeral,
My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.
Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world.
As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him:
Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)and saturate the airwaves along with the "Never, ever, ever" video.
When the public gets to see who the real Hillary is she'll go down faster than the Titanic.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)All the speech great and worth listening to. The last words probably the best known.
My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.
Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world.
As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him:
Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not.
I am grateful when anyone like Bobby comes forth to fight so hard for the common man.
I will, no doubt, be criticized for this at this particular website for feeling this so strongly, but I was around for Bobby and love him still and mourn his passing, and I find Bernie Sanders also to be just such a man.
http://www.history.com/topics/robert-f-kennedy/videos/history-uncut-ted-kennedys-eulogy-for-bobby-1968
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)a glacier. who popped her bubble? when did she trade in her idealism for a better america - to queen of the corporate dons and the war machine? i am starting to think perhaps she never had it other than to control and rule. but then again, i was taught that one's light and goodness is proportional to their darkness and mean heartedness. it is about choice. how can she hope for any kind of bright future for her grand daughter with such a legacy of bitterness, shrewdness, and a cold heart?
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)to all his audiences: THINK BIG!
Others are telling us:think small,very small.
I want a president, who is a visionary,
not a tinkerer.